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Because I can't confidently read Sleeper at all. I feel their playstyle would be very easy to fake as scum. So you (I think) and Bear being so confident you could peg scum sleeper gives me weird vibes, because I can't do it.In post 448, votato wrote:tux you say sleeper is town being pocketed, yet you arent voting sleeper. why not?
So it's a weird circle where I don't town read Sleeper, so seeing confident town reads make me wary of the people pushing it, making me feel like they're pocketing them, but then I read their posts and they fry my brain and don't see it as either alignment. Does that make sense?- Alduskkel
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also this sounds weird but deimos's scumread on me feels like it makes more sense than tux's townread on meCLICK HERE FOR THE ALDUSKKEL APPRECIATION PAGE
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That doesn't sound weird, but it adds to my town read.In post 453, Alduskkel wrote:also this sounds weird but deimos's scumread on me feels like it makes more sense than tux's townread on me
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with 9 votes in play, it takes 5 to make a decision. day 1 ends in (expired on 2020-07-07 13:00:00)
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This results in them posting less often and in more serious a manner.In post 456, Deimos27 wrote:Noobscum tends to be sitting on quite a large cognitive load. Admittedly I am generalizing based on my personal experiences.- Tuxedo Mask
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Okay, this all makes sense. It also appears only Koba and I aren't healing Sleeper, I thought it was fewer for some reason. This makes me feel more comfortable with them and Votato.In post 458, Deimos27 wrote:
This results in them posting less often and in more serious a manner.In post 456, Deimos27 wrote:Noobscum tends to be sitting on quite a large cognitive load. Admittedly I am generalizing based on my personal experiences.
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Pooky, the "clearly" in this post makes it seem tongue-in-cheek — am I reading that right?In post 302, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:clearly this means he's scum
if he's townie he'd just be sleeping through this game and show up sometime after the game is over
If so, how did you progress to accepting the premise that bugspray replacing out is +scum in 335?- PookyTheMagicalBear
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the post you reference is a joke based on bugspray being my townie lover in the previous game and basically doing 0 posting except chess moves in the PT with me while the game was going on, sometime after the game was finished he showed up and was very confused why the game was over. I found it hilarious that he was basically afk this game and then replaced out.
Koba's posts sound like the desperate cries of a scum trying to bang their way into the coalition - there does not seem to be much logic, just desperation - feels like scum seeing the train leave the station and trying to get on like a madman.
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This tell is pretty much exclusive to newbies. You can't really apply it to votato.In post 459, Tuxedo Mask wrote:
Okay, this all makes sense. It also appears only Koba and I aren't healing Sleeper, I thought it was fewer for some reason. This makes me feel more comfortable with them and Votato.In post 458, Deimos27 wrote:
This results in them posting less often and in more serious a manner.In post 456, Deimos27 wrote:Noobscum tends to be sitting on quite a large cognitive load. Admittedly I am generalizing based on my personal experiences.
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Sorry, I didn't mean I was applying it to Votato. I mean that I am less concerned over Votato's confident town read of Sleeper as it seems to be a sentiment everyone shares. For some reason, I thought only Don, Votato, and Bear were healing Sleeper, which made me more nervous.In post 462, Deimos27 wrote:
This tell is pretty much exclusive to newbies. You can't really apply it to votato.In post 459, Tuxedo Mask wrote:
Okay, this all makes sense. It also appears only Koba and I aren't healing Sleeper, I thought it was fewer for some reason. This makes me feel more comfortable with them and Votato.In post 458, Deimos27 wrote:
This results in them posting less often and in more serious a manner.In post 456, Deimos27 wrote:Noobscum tends to be sitting on quite a large cognitive load. Admittedly I am generalizing based on my personal experiences.
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I'm still hoping for some more details on this, Koba.In post 421, Deimos27 wrote:
Koba can you expound on why Pooky is scum? So far you've just said you think their entrance is a scumtell and I don't see it.In post 324, DkKoba wrote:im actually reading harder into their ISO.. how TF did yall let him get in so far??????????????????- PookyTheMagicalBear
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Let's look at Koba's posts when they enter the game:
In post 320, DkKoba wrote:i skimmed the thread b4 subbing in and I think pooky shouldn't be in it btwIn post 322, DkKoba wrote:
ok scumIn post 302, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:clearly this means he's scum
if he's townie he'd just be sleeping through this game and show up sometime after the game is overIn post 323, DkKoba wrote:In post 20, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:deimos my number 1 townread right now
he's so clueless he has to be town
i know yall dont take much stock in daystarts but this is a triple whammy post where they are s onervous to appear town that they need to restate mechs and stuff and thats why I said they were scum btw.In post 22, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:I think we have a 85% chance of winning this game outright if townies act really townie
let's do it
they scumtold right off the start and u wanna put them in ur coalition
reading the first four posts it's a pretty heavy attack on me, koba makes it clear I am to be suspected and not allowed on the coalition at any cost - logically that would make me a big fat scum in koba's eyes.In post 324, DkKoba wrote:im actually reading harder into their ISO.. how TF did yall let him get in so far??????????????????
Now would should the logical play be then from KobaTown?
I posit there are 2 ways KobaTown plays it.
A) Substitute themselves into the Leading Coalition in Lieu of Me - this is the most straightforward way to win - if they believe I am running the town as some kind of scum-leader - it makes sense to just sub themselves into my spot in the coalition and if the rest of the coalition can accept this - they will auto win right away assuming they are correct that I am the scum-leader in the coalition and my partner is outside (optimal play for scum) If they are wrong they can accept being lynched for this mistake.
This is the strongest and most aggressive line that Koba-Town can take if their opening line that I am scum is actually a True-Thought.
B) Substitute someone else that the Coalition can accept for my spot in the Coalition - this is a lower EV play as Koba is not as sure of the other player's viability.
But instead what does Koba do? They sub out 3 players from Leading Coalition and Puts up 3 new players - this doesn't really make sense or fit with their belief that Pooky is definitely scum manipulating the coalition - unless he thinks Pooky put multiple scum into the coalition (suboptimal play) or they are not nearly as sure about Pooky as they are putting on.
Koba is not really trying to win the game as town on the first-go-around - their goal is to peel someone off the coalition and get the other people together who are off-coalition into a new coalition because they want to be in-coalition at all costs - they know if the present leading coalition fires off they probably lose the game immediately.Show"I can't even look at the game anymore.
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NiceIn post 465, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:But instead what does Koba do? They sub out 3 players from Leading Coalition and Puts up 3 new players - this doesn't really make sense or fit with their belief that Pooky is definitely scum manipulating the coalition - unless he thinks Pooky put multiple scum into the coalition (suboptimal play) or they are not nearly as sure about Pooky as they are putting on.- PookyTheMagicalBear
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If KobaTown comes into the game and sees a big fat Pooky Scum sitting in the middle of the town square manipulating people and setting up the town for imminent death - the game state should then be:
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Leading Coalition ( 4 townies + PookyScum)
Outsiders (2 Townies + ScumBuddy)
The way for KobaTown to basically win at that point is to say:
Pooky is scum - I'm 100% sure of it, I don't know how you guys let him on the Coalition in the first place - but if you put me in the Coalition instead of Pooky we 100% win right away. I will wager my life on this - if I am wrong I will commit Seppuku and you can lynch me.
Instead they comes in, attacks three people on the Leading Coalition - proposes their own coalition of people who are off-Coalition ( this makes no sense if they believe me to be Scum manipulating the town because if I'm scum shaping the coalition then my scum-buddy by definition has to be off-coalition so them shuffling him into the coalition doesn't make any sense)
Hence I believe Koba is inherently dishonest about his reads - he's basically just trying to bang his way into the coalition and not go out on Day 1.Show"I can't even look at the game anymore.
That evil teddy bear has got everyone twirling by his thumb.
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you know I realized I had forgotted there were 9 players and I forgot to include sleeper.
I think sleeper is a good pick for coalition too.GTKAS MS 20th Anniversary game now taking pre-ins!(DM me)
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Why is your current proposition all town bud? Why are YOU town?In post 461, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:the post you reference is a joke based on bugspray being my townie lover in the previous game and basically doing 0 posting except chess moves in the PT with me while the game was going on, sometime after the game was finished he showed up and was very confused why the game was over. I found it hilarious that he was basically afk this game and then replaced out.
Koba's posts sound like the desperate cries of a scum trying to bang their way into the coalition - there does not seem to be much logic, just desperation - feels like scum seeing the train leave the station and trying to get on like a madman.
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"1 thing I will give you Dk, I think you are very good at manipulating. I don't mean that in a bad way, I just think you [have] this way with yourself. You know what to say and when to say [it]." ~VFP
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In post 468, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:If KobaTown comes into the game and sees a big fat Pooky Scum sitting in the middle of the town square manipulating people and setting up the town for imminent death - the game state should then be:
KobaTown
Leading Coalition ( 4 townies + PookyScum)
Outsiders (2 Townies + ScumBuddy)
The way for KobaTown to basically win at that point is to say:
Pooky is scum - I'm 100% sure of it, I don't know how you guys let him on the Coalition in the first place - but if you put me in the Coalition instead of Pooky we 100% win right away. I will wager my life on this - if I am wrong I will commit Seppuku and you can lynch me.
Instead they comes in, attacks three people on the Leading Coalition - proposes their own coalition of people who are off-Coalition ( this makes no sense if they believe me to be Scum manipulating the town because if I'm scum shaping the coalition then my scum-buddy by definition has to be off-coalition so them shuffling him into the coalition doesn't make any sense)
Hence I believe Koba is inherently dishonest about his reads - he's basically just trying to bang his way into the coalition and not go out on Day 1.
MY PRONOUNS ARE THEY THEM STOP USING HE HIM
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I LITERALLY SAID I WOULD SELF VOTE IF A COALITION THAT I PROPOSED DOESNT GO THROUGH LMAO.
but ok buddy. keep gaslighting.
you better self vote if a coalition with you on it goes through.GTKAS MS 20th Anniversary game now taking pre-ins!(DM me)
"1 thing I will give you Dk, I think you are very good at manipulating. I don't mean that in a bad way, I just think you [have] this way with yourself. You know what to say and when to say [it]." ~VFP
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also that post literally reeks of shit.GTKAS MS 20th Anniversary game now taking pre-ins!(DM me)
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I'm town cuz my role pm says soIn post 471, DkKoba wrote:Why is your current proposition all town bud? Why are YOU town?
I was actually worrying about my coalition last night cuz it seemed to be cruising along a bit too fine
now watching you try to desperately bang your way into the party like a madman got me feeling pretty good about my coalition.
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That evil teddy bear has got everyone twirling by his thumb.
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