Micro 952 - The Coalition: ItGBSMoD [game over!]

[Datisi]

Vote count 1.20

with 9 votes in play, it takes 5 to make a decision. day 1 ends in (expired on 2020-07-07 13:00:00)

coalition

PookyTheMagicalBear [5]:

Deimos27, SleeperSoul, DonCorleone, PookyTheMagicalBear, Klick

Clover Ebi [5]:

Clover Ebi, DkKoba, Deimos27, Klick, SleeperSoul

Deimos27 [5]:

Deimos27, DkKoba, Klick, Wug, SleeperSoul

DkKoba [4]:

Wug, Klick, DkKoba, Clover Ebi

Alduskkel [4]:

Alduskkel, Klick, SleeperSoul, DkKoba

Klick [4]:

Klick, SleeperSoul, Clover Ebi, DonCorleone

SleeperSoul [3]:

Deimos27, SleeperSoul, Klick

Wug [1]:

Wug

DonCorleone [0]:

lynch

SleeperSoul (1):

Deimos27

Wug (1):

DonCorleone

PookyTheMagicalBear (1):

Alduskkel

not voting (6):

Klick, Clover Ebi, SleeperSoul, PookyTheMagicalBear, Wug, DkKoba

flavour

mod notes

• I'm accepting the heals in 784 despite mixing up slots as the intention is clear.
  
• Play nice.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

That isn't intrinsically illogical. It depends on the 3 players, and the reasoning for why they are being suspected.

It's illogical because the default strategy for scum is one-on one-off.

If you switch 3 suspicious people on-coalition for 3 off-coalition people, even if you are right about one of those three people you switched off - you end up with their scumbuddy instead and end up in the hot seat when the coalition fails

[Clover Ebi]

HURT: Sleeper
HEAL: Don

[Clover Ebi]

I am now noticing my main issue with this game where I thought I'd be really strong at it. Hm, noted.

[Deimos27]

What I didn't understand is why Votato was trying to cut me off about discussing day 2. That just didn't make sense to me. Why do you think it's more likely I'm scum in that case than town?

How do you still not understand why he was cutting you off about discussing D2? He was quite clear that he thinks this is because it benefits scum. There was nothing confusing here, yet you reacted with confusion.

The emotional reaction and supposed ignorance about scum strategy is LAMIST and therefore scummy.

But I don't want to talk about this anymore because it isn't

that

strong a te and I'd rather you focus on making reads and playing the game so I can sort you more accurately.

[Deimos27]

I expect town to
a) understand votato's reasoning
b) react with understanding
Not
a) express disbelief at votato's reasoning
b) react with indignation

[Deimos27]

Hopefully that elaboration helps

[Deimos27]

That isn't intrinsically illogical. It depends on the 3 players, and the reasoning for why they are being suspected.

It's illogical because the default strategy for scum is one-on one-off.

If you switch 3 suspicious people on-coalition for 3 off-coalition people, even if you are right about one of those three people you switched off - you end up with their scumbuddy instead and end up in the hot seat when the coalition fails

Ok you're actually right I missed the fact that replacing three mathematical guarantees including the second scum, if there was only one originally.

[Deimos27]

Hmhmhmhmhm maybe Koba is scum after all

[Clover Ebi]

Before I go back and grab quotes I don't see how not understanding someones logic is scummy.

[Deimos27]

it isn't

that

strong a tell

tell* EBWOP

[Deimos27]

Before I go back and grab quotes I don't see how not understanding someones logic is scummy.

m8 it's about how simple the logic is.

Premise 1: Talking about D2 is pro-scum
Premise 2: Clover wants to talk about D2

It doesn't take a genius to see why, from votato POV, you were suspicious.

[Clover Ebi]

I don't think you read the entire conversation because you would've seen where you're wrong to begin with.

[Deimos27]

Your reaction comes from town most often after someone uses really bad logic. Votato's logic was straightforward, so townie reactions should reflect that. You could've said "sorry, I just didn't understand why it's good for scum to talk about D2. Is there an explanation you can give for why that's the case while circumventing this obstacle?"

[Deimos27]

I don't think you read the entire conversation because you would've seen where you're wrong to begin with.

I mean, maybe so. Feel free to show me.

[Clover Ebi]

Votato was talking about how discussing scum strategy see here:

we arent gonna discuss day 2 because it could help scum to discuss it now.

How so?

explaining that would help scum. you trying to bait me into explaining it makes me think you're scum.

yes. talking about scum's optimal strategy only helps scum at this stage. insisting that we discuss scum's optimal strategy and in fact trying to goad me into explaining what i think that strategy is, is scummy.

and how that is scummy. I, was left confused by this because as I said in a post after: That wasn't what I was talking about at all because no where in my post did I even mention talking about what scum are going to do. You will notice that any confusion I had over the conversation was gone when he was being clear in this post:

once we get to day 2 we should discuss day 2. until then i think its counterproductive. imho.

I wanted to talk about day 2 and how us as a town could go forward. Yet Votato made vague posts saying that it could help scum which left me visibility confused on why talking about what we as a town want to do only helps scum. When I ask for more clarity on my clear confusion he calls me scummy for it.

[Clover Ebi]

Votato's logic was straightforward

No it wasn't o_o

[Clover Ebi]

I think it's perfectly reasonable that I got confused when me and Votato were on 2 entirely different topics and didn't realize it.

[Deimos27]

Ok, no, votato's topic was always "talking about D2". It turns into "talking about scum's optimal strategy" because that is (obviously) why he thinks talking about D2 is pro-scum. Because it informs their strategy for D1.

[Deimos27]

But let's agree that I'm giving you the benefit of the doubt and what I thought was obvious was not in fact necessarily obvious. What are your reads?

[Deimos27]

I assume your coalition is your townreads. Do you have an idea of who you think scum is?

[Clover Ebi]

I assume your coalition is your townreads. Do you have an idea of who you think scum is?

I haven't been really looking for scum so I can't really say I have anyone listed as scum but I would probably lynch Alduskkel for not having many reasons to townread them and Pooky for information.

[Deimos27]

You've healed Don. Which of their posts do you think are town-AI?

[Wug]

meant to finish reading but fell asleep instead

deimos looks towny but maybe just good at mafia

I don't wish to flood the game so i will be stepping away now to give time to react to what I posted by the players I want to get a better analysis on ~~ but I will be around to answer questions.

saying this and then actually flooding the game anyway is kind of town

honestly surprised that anyone in this game is townreading me at this point because i've barely done anything this game yet

datisi too cowardly to post a vote count because i snagged the page top

also this sounds weird but deimos's scumread on me feels like it makes more sense than tux's townread on me

town

[Deimos27]

Eh I've seen this anti-omgus "x's sr of me is towny" thing from scum plenty enough to find it NAI at best. It's another activity I'm guilty of myself.