Open 784 - Hard-Boiled (Town Wins!)

[word321]

either way, I still dnt buy completely deimos attitude. I feel the particular questions he has made r too generic in nature, too general, and easily replicable as scum to feign an investigation of sorts (im talkin about things like 48, 168 and 173 as the most generic, others can be replicable). Im also not convinced of the actual intent behind the even distribution of votes; do u have any game when u have openly upheld such an opinion?
VOTE: Deimos
ninjaed by the above

[Marashu]

either way, I still dnt buy completely deimos attitude. I feel the particular questions he has made r too generic in nature, too general, and easily replicable as scum to feign an investigation of sorts (im talkin about things like 48, 168 and 173 as the most generic, others can be replicable). Im also not convinced of the actual intent behind the even distribution of votes; do u have any game when u have openly upheld such an opinion?
VOTE: Deimos
ninjaed by the above

Regarding the distribution of votes, it was discussed briefly in Newbie 2002.

[brassherald]

Wait, why are you responding, Marashu?

[Marashu]

Wait, why are you responding, Marashu?

I was in that game and remembered it coming up.

[brassherald]

Wait, why are you responding, Marashu?

I was in that game and remembered it coming up.

I just don't like when people answer questions that aren't for them.

[Battle Mage]

Examined the ISO of pissirrational - just as I suspected - scum!

VOTE: Pissirrational

[Deimos27]

either way, I still dnt buy completely deimos attitude. I feel the particular questions he has made r too generic in nature, too general, and easily replicable as scum to feign an investigation of sorts (im talkin about things like 48, 168 and 173 as the most generic, others can be replicable). Im also not convinced of the actual intent behind the even distribution of votes; do u have any game when u have openly upheld such an opinion?
VOTE: Deimos
ninjaed by the above

I have openly upheld this opinion before and I can name the player I learned it from, which is LuckyLuciano. We are out of RVS so I can explain. Even distributions create possibly AI situations in who breaks the ties and how. This can then transition into wagons to create pressure. Immediate wagons are fine, but they bypass this extra step and the added info it can provide.

[Deimos27]

Battle Mage you're not serious with townreading someone for voting you, right?

[Deimos27]

pi, how do you feel about early wagons?

That depends on the context. If it so happened that four people voted a player because "well I wanted to" then that isn't giving us much game-related information. On the other hand, if someone gets voted by people early on for scumslipping, then that could be something that would be worth getting information from.

I was referring specifically to RVS wagons.

I've heard self- voting in rvs is almost always done by scum. Can anyone confirm that?

I feel like simply voting yourself would be something that would be done more by scum than by town, as scum would have more reasons to self-vote I think.

Since this self-vote occurred in RVS, I'm annoyed that you're generalising it to any self-vote (this results in examples like scum self-hammers entering the picture and making the RVS self-vote look much worse than it actually is). This is besides the point at best and shading Midari at worst.

[Deimos27]

Mind running this one by me? Feels like you're trying to stay neutral and keep even distribution, but I don't see to what end.

Marashu, if you remembered this coming up in Newbie 2002, why did you need me to explain it again?

[Battle Mage]

Battle Mage you're not serious with townreading someone for voting you, right?

very serious about the townread, although you've misunderstood the reason

[Deimos27]

I see what you're getting at.

[Deimos27]

My early gut townleans are on Drew, Midari, superbowl, Battle Mage, and Worcestershire.
Tux might be scum but pi is scummier.
Everyone else floating around null.

I am now accepting questions (though I won't answer them until tomorrow because it is late o'clock).

[superbowl9]

I'll hop on this wagon because 199 is incorrect
VOTE: piisirrational

[Doctor Drew]

My early gut townleans are on Drew, Midari, superbowl, Battle Mage, and Worcestershire.
Tux might be scum but pi is scummier.
Everyone else floating around null.

I am now accepting questions (though I won't answer them until tomorrow because it is late o'clock).

Explain BM?

I'll hop on this wagon because 199 is incorrect
VOTE: piisirrational

What is so wrong about it?

[ceejayvinoya]

The way the conversation has drifted away from tuxedo mask is slightly concerning, though perhaps there is nothing more to be discussed about him.

I agree with a piisirrational wagon though. I haven't seen them post anything related specifically to this game yet.

VOTE: piisirrational

[Tuxedo Mask]

Why aren't you voting Tux, if he is your scumlean?

I guess partly because I'm distracted, and partly because I had asked questions and was waiting for answers in case they changed my opinions.

Reread the game, this was untrue. You are the center of lots of discussions this game, I guess I got that vibes because I don't really know how people feel about you? Like it seems you aren't being scum read, but I don't think I see any town reads either. Guess just felt off to me. You're there a lot but I don't know what people think of you.

Ok, but, why should other people's reads on Drew matter to you? I was asking what you learned about other people by focusing on Drew, not what you learned about Drew by what other people are saying about him.

VOTE: Tuxedo

Ah so like most newbie games then when we get bloated.

I've heard before that longer days are typically better for scum, and from the games I've played as scum, town performed better in the games with shorter early games.

Actually bothering to read this, it is good posting.l and makes a good point in the middle.

VOTE: Tuxedo Mask

Is it? I've correctly sorted people before based on how others read them. And my overall point is that Drew is famously scum read, but I don't think its even been a hinted read by any other player, so what does that mean? He could actually be scum this time, the player list has enough experience with him to not fall into that trap, perhaps?

What's the scum motivation to my actions?

[Tuxedo Mask]

The way the conversation has drifted away from tuxedo mask is slightly concerning, though perhaps there is nothing more to be discussed about him.

I agree with a piisirrational wagon though. I haven't seen them post anything related specifically to this game yet.

VOTE: piisirrational

If you have questions I'm here. What conversation would you like to have about me? What concerns you about things drifting off me?

[ceejayvinoya]

The way the conversation has drifted away from tuxedo mask is slightly concerning, though perhaps there is nothing more to be discussed about him.

I agree with a piisirrational wagon though. I haven't seen them post anything related specifically to this game yet.

VOTE: piisirrational

If you have questions I'm here. What conversation would you like to have about me? What concerns you about things drifting off me?

Just one. Are you suggesting that the lack of reads towards drew would help in determining his alignment? How does this differ from anyone else? Am curious.

[Tuxedo Mask]

The way the conversation has drifted away from tuxedo mask is slightly concerning, though perhaps there is nothing more to be discussed about him.

I agree with a piisirrational wagon though. I haven't seen them post anything related specifically to this game yet.

VOTE: piisirrational

If you have questions I'm here. What conversation would you like to have about me? What concerns you about things drifting off me?

Just one. Are you suggesting that the lack of reads towards drew would help in determining his alignment? How does this differ from anyone else? Am curious.

Because I am unsure of other's reputation, but Drew's is to be scum read. So the current state is an abnormality, I am trying to identify why. Is the abnormality in their play, or in how other's treat them? Is that abnormality nefarious?

If the dropping in content around me made you uncomfortable, why did you jump on the new hotness wagon?

[Midari Ikishima]

Maybe I'm just biased. But the case on Tux just seems a bit reachy and nothing more then a lost person in this game which does strike as different from what I've seen from them.

I think Pii and Wors need to talk more. I agree with Brass I don't like others answering questions that aren't directed at them.


What are your other reads Tux?

[word321]

what about superbowl?

[ceejayvinoya]

The way the conversation has drifted away from tuxedo mask is slightly concerning, though perhaps there is nothing more to be discussed about him.

I agree with a piisirrational wagon though. I haven't seen them post anything related specifically to this game yet.

VOTE: piisirrational

If you have questions I'm here. What conversation would you like to have about me? What concerns you about things drifting off me?

Just one. Are you suggesting that the lack of reads towards drew would help in determining his alignment? How does this differ from anyone else? Am curious.

Because I am unsure of other's reputation, but Drew's is to be scum read. So the current state is an abnormality, I am trying to identify why. Is the abnormality in their play, or in how other's treat them? Is that abnormality nefarious?

If the dropping in content around me made you uncomfortable, why did you jump on the new hotness wagon?

Pii was more suspicious.

[Tuxedo Mask]

What are your other reads Tux?

Nothing strong so far, which doesn't feel great. I think I'm getting townie pings from Votato, Drew, Deimos and Midari. Those are the only things strong enough to mention.

Though I also think your wagon stalling out is interesting.

Midari Ikishima (5) - Tuxedo Mask, Midari Ikishima, Marashu, word321, Doctor Drew

This was your wagon at its peak (correct me if I'm wrong), so I'll pose this question to the group is scum on this wagon. I think that's likely. If so, who and how many? My gut says just one, between Marshu and Word. That or the wagon looked to carry it's self well enough, and scum wanted to avoid it.

[Doctor Drew]

The way the conversation has drifted away from tuxedo mask is slightly concerning, though perhaps there is nothing more to be discussed about him.

I agree with a piisirrational wagon though. I haven't seen them post anything related specifically to this game yet.

VOTE: piisirrational

If you have questions I'm here. What conversation would you like to have about me? What concerns you about things drifting off me?

Just one. Are you suggesting that the lack of reads towards drew would help in determining his alignment? How does this differ from anyone else? Am curious.

Because I am unsure of other's reputation, but Drew's is to be scum read. So the current state is an abnormality, I am trying to identify why. Is the abnormality in their play, or in how other's treat them? Is that abnormality nefarious?

If the dropping in content around me made you uncomfortable, why did you jump on the new hotness wagon?

I really like this post from Tux, being town read read so universally is unusual for me haha. UNVOTE:

Also, Deimos......your posting seems less analytical this game(besides one of your earlier posts). I have a gut feel that you are just giving reads for the sake of giving out reads. I guess I feel you are not trying to sort. I dunno, need to interact more directly with you.