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[LicketyQuickety]

Quick will somehow find this scummy even though he's been screaming about me asking to consolidate onto CSF for fifty billion pages.

If I was saying you need to consolidate to Cat, you would have a point, but I never said anything even remotely close to that, so you don't really have a point at all.

I'm pointing out that I have a well documented progression on this topic, and your awareness of said progression is also well documented.

That doesn't actually mean you can put words in my mouth.

[Blair]

It was also premature to be deciding which wagons we were going to end the day with considering Blair only replaced into the game like less than 24 hrs and hadn't had time to interact with me or ND afaict

[Blair]

Quick will somehow find this scummy even though he's been screaming about me asking to consolidate onto CSF for fifty billion pages.

If I was saying you need to consolidate to Cat, you would have a point, but I never said anything even remotely close to that, so you don't really have a point at all.

I'm pointing out that I have a well documented progression on this topic, and your awareness of said progression is also well documented.

That doesn't actually mean you can put words in my mouth.

Thank goodness I didn't.

I made a prediction. I didn't say you had already said it.

[Blair]

I don't think I need a reason to engage you before voting you. I can always engage you after voting for you. After all, here I am, still talking to you.

HOL' UP

...!!!

Didn't you shade me for voting for you without taking the time to engage with you first?

I shaded you for directing town onto two wagons when you first replaced in

You specifically said it was because I hadn't had time to interact with you or ND yet. (see quote above)

Yet here I am, interacting with you now. Which is your precise defense to osuka.

[Cat Scratch Fever]

It was also premature to be deciding which wagons we were going to end the day with considering Blair only replaced into the game like less than 24 hrs and hadn't had time to interact with me or ND afaict

I mean, I wasn't telling people, "Today's wagons should be between osuka and NDMath!"

I wasn't saying today's wagons should have between osuka vs anyone

at all

.

That's a big part of my argument, and you're stripping some of the nuance from it.

[Cat Scratch Fever]

You specifically said it was because I hadn't had time to interact with you or ND yet. (see quote above)

Yet here I am, interacting with you now. Which is your precise defense to osuka.

Yeah I appreciate that you're taking the time to engage me. I'm not really sure you're trying to understand my thought process though.

[Blair]

Everyone is stripping all of the nuance from my original vote for you so why do we suddenly care about nuance now?

I voted for you even though Norwe wanted me to vote for NDMath. I said this was because, even though Norwe wanted to settle on an NDMath lynch, I was ok with the lynch being between NDMath and you.

For some reason you and Quick have transformed this into a magical narrative where Blair mind-controls the entire thread into only voting for NDMath or CSF - even though I only gave that dichotomy as justification for my own vote.

[LicketyQuickety]

Quick will somehow find this scummy even though he's been screaming about me asking to consolidate onto CSF for fifty billion pages.

If I was saying you need to consolidate to Cat, you would have a point, but I never said anything even remotely close to that, so you don't really have a point at all.

I'm pointing out that I have a well documented progression on this topic, and your awareness of said progression is also well documented.

That doesn't actually mean you can put words in my mouth.

Thank goodness I didn't.

I made a prediction. I didn't say you had already said it.

You said I was forcing you to vote Cat when I never even barely inferred that you should do that. Use your own POV for what you do, not mine. I really really hate it when people assume a POV other than their own. Like, from YOUR perspective, sure, your forced to vote Cat, but that's NOT AT ALL what

I

am saying. Don't do that, it's really sleazy, lazy, and disingenuous.

[LicketyQuickety]

For some reason you and Quick have transformed this into a magical narrative where Blair mind-controls the entire thread into only voting for NDMath or CSF - even though I only gave that dichotomy as justification for my own vote.

Actually, you put yourself in that position given you can't even keep to a self contained honest narrative.

[Cat Scratch Fever]

Everyone is stripping all of the nuance from my original vote for you so why do we suddenly care about nuance now?

I voted for you even though Norwe wanted me to vote for NDMath. I said this was because, even though Norwe wanted to settle on an NDMath lynch, I was ok with the lynch being between NDMath and you.

For some reason you and Quick have transformed this into a magical narrative where Blair mind-controls the entire thread into only voting for NDMath or CSF - even though I only gave that dichotomy as justification for my own vote.

I admit I don't think you ever said we needed to

end the day

on me & NDMath, which is why I haven't further prosecuted this point.

I did have the impression that you wanted to end the day with these wagons at the time though.

[Blair]

You said I was forcing you to vote Cat when I never even barely inferred that you should do that.

Where and when?

[Blair]

For some reason you and Quick have transformed this into a magical narrative where Blair mind-controls the entire thread into only voting for NDMath or CSF - even though I only gave that dichotomy as justification for my own vote.

Actually, you put yourself in that position given you can't even keep to a self contained honest narrative.

I'll admit it's pretty hard to maintain an honest narrative when you keep blatantly lying about my posts - almost as if you know no one reads giant shouty all-caps walls so no one will notice.

[LicketyQuickety]

For some reason you and Quick have transformed this into a magical narrative where Blair mind-controls the entire thread into only voting for NDMath or CSF - even though I only gave that dichotomy as justification for my own vote.

Actually, you put yourself in that position given you can't even keep to a self contained honest narrative.

I'll admit it's pretty hard to maintain an honest narrative when you keep blatantly lying about my posts - almost as if you know no one reads giant shouty all-caps walls so no one will notice.

You're so full of shit. I'm never moving my vote D1.

[Cat Scratch Fever]

unfortunately I can't really tell you why you should townread me other than the fact that i'm town and i've been playing wincon, so i can tell you for a fact that everything i've done this game was from a town mindset. i can't read myself _and_ i got a role PM that tells me my alignment so I'm doubly biased, that's a fucking loaded question

Going back to this, I don't think my question was loaded. (for reference, my question was "Why should we townread you?")

You accuse people of being dumb town or scum for voting for you. Do you think you've done enough such that a reasonable town player should be townreading you here? Is this game a deviation from your town meta etc etc

[Blair]

I admit I don't think you ever said we needed to end the day on me & NDMath, which is why I haven't further prosecuted this point.

I did have the impression that you wanted to end the day with these wagons at the time though.

Here's what happened:

I subbed in.

I voted for you.

Norwe said something akin to "That's fine but you should really just help us lynch NDMath"

I responded that I was ok with NDMath and CSF being the competing wagons for the day.

Since then other people have jumped in and screamed at me that I'm an anti-town psychopath for implying we should even be considering competing wagons yet (while suspiciously not pushing Norwe for giving me the impression we were ready for that in the first place).

[Blair]

For some reason you and Quick have transformed this into a magical narrative where Blair mind-controls the entire thread into only voting for NDMath or CSF - even though I only gave that dichotomy as justification for my own vote.

Actually, you put yourself in that position given you can't even keep to a self contained honest narrative.

I'll admit it's pretty hard to maintain an honest narrative when you keep blatantly lying about my posts - almost as if you know no one reads giant shouty all-caps walls so no one will notice.

You're so full of shit. I'm never moving my vote D1.

Oh no.

I've pointed out over and over and over again where you have blatantly lied and misrepresented my posts. You can disagree on if the term "lie" is fair or not, I guess, but you can't pretend I just pulled this out of thin air. Check our dual iso. I've been saying this for a long while now.

[LicketyQuickety]

Here's what happened:

I subbed in.

I voted for you.

Norwe said something akin to "That's fine but you should really just help us lynch NDMath"

I responded that I was ok with NDMath and CSF being the competing wagons for the day.

You should never have reads that fast.

[LicketyQuickety]

For some reason you and Quick have transformed this into a magical narrative where Blair mind-controls the entire thread into only voting for NDMath or CSF - even though I only gave that dichotomy as justification for my own vote.

Actually, you put yourself in that position given you can't even keep to a self contained honest narrative.

I'll admit it's pretty hard to maintain an honest narrative when you keep blatantly lying about my posts - almost as if you know no one reads giant shouty all-caps walls so no one will notice.

You're so full of shit. I'm never moving my vote D1.

Oh no.

I've pointed out over and over and over again where you have blatantly lied and misrepresented my posts. You can disagree on if the term "lie" is fair or not, I guess, but you can't pretend I just pulled this out of thin air. Check our dual iso. I've been saying this for a long while now.

You've repeatedly proven that you are not to be trusted. I have no incentive to believe anything you say for how dishonest you are showing my view to be.

[Blair]

Then stop talking to me.

Seriously.

I'm 1000% done. Vote me for the rest of the game. Just stop being obnoxious.

[LicketyQuickety]

Then stop talking to me.

Seriously.

I'm 1000% done. Vote me for the rest of the game. Just stop being obnoxious.

Start by giving an honest view of what I say and maybe I will consider voting someone else D2.

[Cat Scratch Fever]

I admit I don't think you ever said we needed to end the day on me & NDMath, which is why I haven't further prosecuted this point.

I did have the impression that you wanted to end the day with these wagons at the time though.

Here's what happened:

I subbed in.

I voted for you.

Norwe said something akin to "That's fine but you should really just help us lynch NDMath"

I responded that I was ok with NDMath and CSF being the competing wagons for the day.

Since then other people have jumped in and screamed at me that I'm an anti-town psychopath for implying we should even be considering competing wagons yet (while suspiciously not pushing Norwe for giving me the impression we were ready for that in the first place).

Norway has been in the game from the beginning and engaged with multiple people by the time you replaced in though.

Meanwhile you replaced in and had read a bunch of content, so I expected you to need some more time to get your bearings first if that makes sense

I don't think your two situations are exactly the same thing

[LicketyQuickety]

I admit I don't think you ever said we needed to end the day on me & NDMath, which is why I haven't further prosecuted this point.

I did have the impression that you wanted to end the day with these wagons at the time though.

Here's what happened:

I subbed in.

I voted for you.

Norwe said something akin to "That's fine but you should really just help us lynch NDMath"

I responded that I was ok with NDMath and CSF being the competing wagons for the day.

Since then other people have jumped in and screamed at me that I'm an anti-town psychopath for implying we should even be considering competing wagons yet (while suspiciously not pushing Norwe for giving me the impression we were ready for that in the first place).

Norway has been in the game from the beginning and engaged with multiple people by the time you replaced in though.

Meanwhile you replaced in and had read a bunch of content, so I expected you to need some more time to get your bearings first if that makes sense

I don't think your two situations are exactly the same thing

When I pressed Blair on them not being caught up, then completely ignored that I even said that. I don't think Blair was actually caught up when they entered the game because it takes literally 3 seconds to type, "I caught up before I subbed in."

[Glitch]

Do you think you've done enough such that a reasonable town player should be townreading you here?

You have some gall to ask this question when your entire game has been lackluster and full of fluff. Do

you

think you've done enough such that a reasonable town player should be townreading you? What are you top pro-town moves in this game? Sheeping onto wagons with no thoughts of your own?

[Blair]

There is only one situation: The game.

Norwe suggested the situation was that it was time to settle on something.

Given that no one was calling for his head for saying so, I accepted his assessment.

P-edit: I see he's still going. For anyone who thinks I'm being petty here, please review the Blair/Quick ISO from the time I subbed in. Quick has been throwing shade at me (not just game-related, "maybe this is scummy" shade - actual personal shade) persistently - even when I'm having unrelated conversations with other players, he's still taking pot-shots at me. It's tiring.

[LicketyQuickety]

Norwe suggested the situation was that it was time to settle on something.

Yeah, but you pushed it. Norway says a lot of things, not all of which should be taken seriously. I don't really care what Norway said that influenced your behavior, I care about YOUR BEHAVIOR.