Aldus summaries my thoughts on the argument better than I couldIn post 608, Alduskkel wrote:I think Pooky's initial case held some weight but the way that he approached the argument reeks of bad faith + he's dodging explaining his coalition reads.
Like this is basically a misrepresentation (the questions aren't random) and is setting up a situation where Koba even asking questions is "scummy." Then at the end Pooky frames his attempt to shut down the conversation as pro-town.In post 506, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:I'm bored of this already
you're using the 1000 questions defense in which you ignore the attack and just distract with a bunch of random questions until the thread of the argument is lost and the post count is too long for anyone else to follow.
I'm going to stop engaging with you as it's obviously pointless at this time.
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Pooky doesn't like what DK is doing, but I'm not convinced he actually scumreads DK.In post 623, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:
The questions are designed to deflect from the current topic.In post 608, Alduskkel wrote:Like this is basically a misrepresentation (the questions aren't random) and is setting up a situation where Koba even asking questions is "scummy." Then at the end Pooky frames his attempt to shut down the conversation as pro-town.
I posted a pretty comprehensive case on why Koba's attacks on me are fake af and the reasons why are pretty obvious if you break down their play strategically in post 465 and 468.
They then immediately blew up at me and posted these beautiful posts:
In post 473, DkKoba wrote:also that post literally reeks of shit.
In post 475, DkKoba wrote:In post 411, DkKoba wrote:self
btw proof I said I would "seppuku"
nice try pooky!In post 481, DkKoba wrote:your case has more holes than swiss cheese and I already exposed a gaping one. stop trying to gaslight u scum piece of shit
Explosive? Sure. Emotional? You betcha, but no real content or any real rebuttal to the substance of my case.
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Yo DK, can I ask how you feel Pooky would be acting differently if he was scum here? I agree that his behavior is within town range but I see no real reason that it's out of scum range.In post 662, DkKoba wrote:
its his ego speaking. I just. can't scumread him because its so badly ego fueled. like this is bad player syndrome where there's antitown play you know is in the range of their town game based on their meta and it hurts.In post 660, Alduskkel wrote:
like seriously he's straight up lying at this pointIn post 643, Alduskkel wrote:Koba, why are you suddenly townreading Pooky?
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Stop it, get out of my head probscumIn post 663, Alduskkel wrote:do you think koba is scum or do you just have issues with them as a player?
pedit: scum can have egos, and I don't see town confbiasing THIS hard on reads they formed THAT early.- Klick
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Lol you don't believe this.In post 690, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:
thanks for revealing your real scum buddyIn post 686, DkKoba wrote:Pooky since Alduskkel and I are scum, why don't we swap you out with someone else? Like Tuxedo?
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Yes, DK is just aggro. I read them as town for it in their one scum game. There might be sortable stuff in their ISO that I'm struggling to find, but their intro ain't it.In post 706, Clover Ebi wrote:
Does anyone know if DK is normally this energetic/aggro as scum? I'm inclined to townread this entrance. It feels pretty genuine to me.In post 324, DkKoba wrote:im actually reading harder into their ISO.. how TF did yall let him get in so far??????????????????- Klick
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This feels really weak? Like the sort of thing I post when I'm scum and want to have easy townreadsIn post 738, Wug wrote:
29 and 31 were townyIn post 737, SleeperSoul wrote:why pooky town?
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In post 984, Klick wrote:I've gone off the tinfoil theory of Pooky/DK lol
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I don't suspect that Pooky/DK as SvS the way I was earlier in the thread.In post 985, SleeperSoul wrote:In post 984, Klick wrote:I've gone off the tinfoil theory of Pooky/DK lol
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In post 975, Klick wrote:Aldus summaries my thoughts on the argument better than I could
I don't mean his questions are random or non-game relevant. That's a very silly way to read my post.
I mean that I laid out my case for why his line of play is illogical and wrong and hints at his alignment/position not being town.
But instead of answering my case - he obfuscates by angrily spamming the thread with question after question on my behavior instead - this is a very typical whataboutism/1000 question defense.
For example one of the very first things he says about my case against him is that it is full of holes like swiss cheese and that I reek of shit - this is a very violent attack - when I ask him to justify it by pointing out specifics - he immediately shifts into hitting me with question after question.
These aren't "random questions" like why is the sky blue? Where does the moon go when it's not in our sky etc.
The questions have a specific goal and purpose - it is to shift the conversation away from the previous attack and into territory more favorable for the questioner - by controlling the conversation he can shift it towards something else instead.
Now if you guys believe that behavior is protown- then by all means put kona in your coalition and leave me out - it's fine. Just a game and I'm not going to waste my time trying to convince you all that something obviously scummy is scummy.
After the coalition fails with me off it, don't come after me with your lynch rope until you lynch kona-scum first thanks.Show"I can't even look at the game anymore.
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It's not the act of asking questions that is scummy.In post 975, Klick wrote:and is setting up a situation where Koba even asking questions is "scummy." Then at the end Pooky frames his attempt to shut down the conversation as pro-town.
It's the act of using questions to divert conversation so he doesn't have to defend himself in the heat of the moment that is scummy.Show"I can't even look at the game anymore.
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I didn't interpret it as 'literally random'. I disagree with your assessment of their play being scum trying to distract from your case with questions. I think they didn't see value in debunking your case more than they did, and instead used their time to try and sort you (and has since decided your responses to them make you town).
If you're town, I believe you're in a tunnel - I don't struggle to see DK's actions from a town perspective. What are your thoughts on my 947? I'm happy to go into more detail about that if desired.- DkKoba
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I'm honestly not even bothered to interact with pooky anymore because they ARE tunneling and I already sorted their slot so there's 0 point in it since i have nothing to gain but wasted words they can think I'm scum all they want because in case they haven't noticed the conversation has moved on and I've already said my piece.
I'd rather have Pooky in the coalition over anyone but you klick as your slot and pooky's slots are the only 2 i'm sure of (yours because of votato )GTKAS MS 20th Anniversary game now taking pre-ins!(DM me)
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perhaps it can be better framed that it was a conversation albeit a futile oneGTKAS MS 20th Anniversary game now taking pre-ins!(DM me)
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nice one MS, good quoteGTKAS MS 20th Anniversary game now taking pre-ins!(DM me)
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Disregarding my own very uncertain read on Pooky, I suspect Pooky won't be agreeing to a coalition with you in it.
Talk to me about this? My thoughts are that it's going to be particularly difficult to form a successful coalition if we just write off the less active players for lack of evidence. If Clover/Aldus are town we have to attempt to solidify a read there today, even if it feels premature. And I agreed with your initial assessment of Clover!town.In post 954, DkKoba wrote:
imma be real w you, I have been considering the solve that excludes them too because when you asked me why I townread clover I was like "well shit I don't really atm why is this kid in my coalition"In post 930, Deimos27 wrote:Well I do. I re-read DC's ISO and Pooky's interaction with Koba and now those players feel town to me again. But this leaves me townreading every player in the game except Aldus/Clover. So someone's pulled a fast one on me.- DkKoba
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I'm looking for a good final slot but this is where I'm at with the core I've determined. pooky/klick are self explainatory at this point. and klick has solidified my read on them.
sleeper after reexamining the co-ISO with deimos I feel better about.
now I need to try to hit what is theoretically a 3/5 chance in deimos/don/aldu/mug/clover
clover being the top spot atm and don/aldu behind and then deimos/mug being my top scumreads at this point I feel.GTKAS MS 20th Anniversary game now taking pre-ins!(DM me)
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clover just gives me .. weird vibes? Idk. I'm really paranoid at this point.In post 996, Klick wrote:Disregarding my own very uncertain read on Pooky, I suspect Pooky won't be agreeing to a coalition with you in it.
Talk to me about this? My thoughts are that it's going to be particularly difficult to form a successful coalition if we just write off the less active players for lack of evidence. If Clover/Aldus are town we have to attempt to solidify a read there today, even if it feels premature. And I agreed with your initial assessment of Clover!town.In post 954, DkKoba wrote:
imma be real w you, I have been considering the solve that excludes them too because when you asked me why I townread clover I was like "well shit I don't really atm why is this kid in my coalition"In post 930, Deimos27 wrote:Well I do. I re-read DC's ISO and Pooky's interaction with Koba and now those players feel town to me again. But this leaves me townreading every player in the game except Aldus/Clover. So someone's pulled a fast one on me.
also re: pooky not putting me in their coalition. If I have to I'll take them out but I'm not going to take someone out who I am sure of being town unless I have to.GTKAS MS 20th Anniversary game now taking pre-ins!(DM me)
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