Newbie 2014: Aesthetic | Game Over

[Lunatic]

Townlooter scum read anthony until a wagon on him formed and it seemed he would actually get lynched. Then magically anthony is in the town pile. I can see him being Anthony's scum partner.

I'm really bias but I can't see them killing porkins. He only posted like 3 times. Did he post something that implicated one of them?

If not it's an se going for how because they value his play

They could have targeted them because he is an SE. Isnt herald one too? He also didn't seem likely for protection I suppose.

[Mikul]

I'm wrong herald has not posted since Thursday or Friday but the quality that he's contributing in the other game is way higher.

Everything about tl bugs me. Literally everything and I can't put a finger on it.

Tbh I'm not interested in the replacements at all. This is a perfect example where a slot out values a replacement. They can replace but it will have less value than what their slot had did this far. I think we have a pretty good way to Poe if we look at porkins as a nk target

[Mikul]

Townlooter scum read anthony until a wagon on him formed and it seemed he would actually get lynched. Then magically anthony is in the town pile. I can see him being Anthony's scum partner.

I'm really bias but I can't see them killing porkins. He only posted like 3 times. Did he post something that implicated one of them?

If not it's an se going for how because they value his play

They could have targeted them because he is an SE. Isnt herald one too? He also didn't seem likely for protection I suppose.

With so few posts. I also feel like he would have been an easy nk but I think newbs would have went after votato or herald since they were engaging. Porkins had 3 posts so either he had correct reads and someone wanted him gone or someone saw him as a threat

[Lunatic]

Well the replacement is important now because I need to make sure their are no counter claims which will give us a guaranteed scum.

[Lunatic]

Votato where'd ya go? You got randomly quiet when the new revelations occurred.

[Mikul]

@Porkens, You've made some nice points in your catchup, I'll address some of them:
You questioned my unvoting of Mikul, because it put him at L-2. Generally I'm not comfortable with putting someone there, especially in RVS. Now I think about it, it probably did look dodgy and possible scummy.

"This isn’t a good defense as scum or town. It’s a minor point you could let go by, but you are picking it as the hill to die on. Just blow it off with a lol and scumhunt elsewhere. Remember that town don’t need to get wrapped up in defending themselves, and scum can corner a defensive towny fairly easily."
That's probably just me, I tend to overdefend everything. Still seems a bit counterintuitive to me that defending myself less looks more townie, then again still getting used to mafiascum.

@town looter/votato/Mikul,
If you're going vote me for being defensive, sure go ahead. I will say that I act that way normally. If you have the time, do a metaread of my first game. The situation is pretty similar - I did something slightly dodgy at the start, I acted defensively and got lynched me on D2. Think about that first. I do have a suspicion one of the guys on my wagon is scum.

No one's going to cc now. I mean maybe they are that stupid but I doubt it

[Mikul]

That was the wrong quote response but you get what it was for

[Mikul]

LOL, if you guys a scum team and win again I am quitting this game for good!

Seriously though, and very quick thoughts because I have to head out: votato and mikul feel decently town, everyone else, including your good self, kinda in the scum bucket. Brass and Anthony strongest scum leans because scum likely on wagon.

This really bothers me and I can't explain why

[Mikul]

Anyone else want to vote me? I'm done with this game. Actually surprised at how smart people think they are, considering all they know is shit. One more vote please. It really do be a case of if town is this dumb, they don't deserve to win. One little tidbit I'll leave you with is that brass just then gave me the strongest scum read. Strategically puts me at L-2, doesn't draw too much attention to himself and gives a half-arsed reason why.

No one thinks they're smart, well maybe they do, but my point is we are trying to poke and probe you because you were/are the scummiest thing we have available. That poking and probing has worked a treat - you have provided a large reaction. Your appeal to emotion (or appeal to something...?) doesn't help matters.

Both votato, myself and others have thrown you life-lines, comments that you could have used to help build a defense and get back on track. You have, mostly, ignored them and proceeded to get more frustrated. I think this is because you are scum (yes, my previous wishy-washyness has gone based on recent posts), and your win condition is being severely jeopardized. I think a town reaction would be more relaxed - Town!Arthur's win condition will still be achievable even if they are mislynched on day 1.

L-1

- VOTE: Arthur -

L-1

This also bothers me.

[Mikul]

I'm okay with a town looter lynch

[Mikul]

Wait. If you got roleblocked say you got role blocked. It will town confirm you.

[Mikul]

Repeat if you are *roleblocked* please say the roleblocker visited you so we can town block you

[Lunatic]

Would a vanilla be told they were roleblocked

[Lunatic]

Votato can confirm

[Mikul]

Votato can confirm

Yes

[Mikul]

Someone should have got a message saying they were rbed. Pls let us know , will end this game

[votato]

No one is told whether they are roleblocked. Even a pr would say that their action failed but it wouldnt say whether they were roleblocked or the target were jkd

[Mikul]

I hate both of you

[votato]

i still think looter is likely town. Im fine voting either brass or Anthony. I feel that claiming was a bit silly, you were both already town. Oh well. Dunno why everyone is ignoring vexossa. Definite room for a lurky scum there

[votato]

also we should read porkens iso

[Mikul]

He's the one that I'm completely null on. Vex that is

1) had to claim. He saw me visit you. If I didn't claim i was getting lynched

2) to just seems weird compared to last game and it's hard to word why

3) herald has been active in another he but nothing much in this one but could also be the activity levels

4) I can't peg Anthony as scum or noob. It's one or the other


TL really does bother me though

[Mikul]

also we should read porkens iso

Yep

Doing that tonight. Gunna re read everything.

[votato]

I think brass is a good option here

[Town looter]

A few, unrelated comments:

• I am town-reading Anthony because I closely read his posts and feel like they are more newb than scum. Votato isn't wrong in his analysis of Anthony, but after the Arthur mislynch I am on edge and suspect someone is driving another, similar, mislynch. This will probably change once I have my head around your two claims.
  
• This, FWIW, is more my natural style. It is different from last game because last game I was trying too hard. You were also right in your earlier assumption Mikul: I have tried to bump up my activity as it contributed to the loss last game.
  
• When I wrote my read list I suspected Brass of being a town PR (due to trying to fly below the radar) and therefore embellished my scum-read of him. Now that we, apparently, have all the PRs outed, my scum read on him is much stronger - I agree with the active lurking accusations.
  
• I still think Vexo slot is scum. Brass/Vexo would be my guess right now.
  
• Still getting my head around the implications of both your claims. So no comment on this yet.
  
• No CC from me

[Town looter]

Oh and my previous scum-read of Anthony was based on scum being on Arthur lynch, and POE.