Newbie 2014: Aesthetic | Game Over

[Lunatic]

I am town-reading Anthony because I closely read his posts and feel like they are more newb than scum. Votato isn't wrong in his analysis of Anthony, but after the Arthur mislynch I am on edge and suspect someone is driving another, similar, mislynch. This will probably change once I have my head around your two claims.

The three people on his wagon earlier, are the three people who are town confirmed (assuming no one CC's).

Does that change your read on anthony, given you now seem to only be reading him as town because you suspect it was a sketchy wagon?

[Lunatic]

I feel that claiming was a bit silly, you were both already town.

I weighed the options before doing so, and figured the benefits outweighed the negatives.

Power role claiming in Lylo/mylo as scum to lead a mislynch is too easy. This is the perfect opportunity, we have results, we have 3 town confirms potentially, and you don't have to worry about mafia conning yall in the last day phase. They will have to try to con us today, or not at all. If they try a CC today, it is better than tomorrow where if we mislynch we will lose. It will guarantee us a scum at any rate if they try. Also if any town are among the four remaining POE, the statistical advantage of finding scum is 66%, where as for us it's 50%. The POE information is extremely helpful. That said, if the game was getting slightly more activity I might have re-considered doing this. That and if Mikal didn't start getting all pessimistic, which I naturally read as scummy.

[Town looter]

As far as you are concerned, yes, but I don't see why you guys have cleared votato.

I was just working through logic of claim situation. Assuming you and Mike haven't attempted some elaborate scum team gambit based on boredom (which tbh I am not writing off, but putting as unlikely, and would result in CC's), you are town-confirmed as Mike corroborated your story. Mike will be town-confirmed once everyone posts and there is no CC.

Votato I am less sure of. I don't fully understand why you have cleared him. Couldn't they be a goon who just stayed put last night? So my thinking on a scum lead mislynch still holds (except it's now votato only). So that leaves me with:

Probably scum: Vexo and Brass
Possibly scum (but I am town-reading them based on posts): Anthony and votato
Town confirmed (or soon to be hopefully): Lunatic and Mikul

[Town looter]

Anyone else want to vote me? I'm done with this game. Actually surprised at how smart people think they are, considering all they know is shit. One more vote please. It really do be a case of if town is this dumb, they don't deserve to win. One little tidbit I'll leave you with is that brass just then gave me the strongest scum read. Strategically puts me at L-2, doesn't draw too much attention to himself and gives a half-arsed reason why.

No one thinks they're smart, well maybe they do, but my point is we are trying to poke and probe you because you were/are the scummiest thing we have available. That poking and probing has worked a treat - you have provided a large reaction. Your appeal to emotion (or appeal to something...?) doesn't help matters.

Both votato, myself and others have thrown you life-lines, comments that you could have used to help build a defense and get back on track. You have, mostly, ignored them and proceeded to get more frustrated. I think this is because you are scum (yes, my previous wishy-washyness has gone based on recent posts), and your win condition is being severely jeopardized. I think a town reaction would be more relaxed - Town!Arthur's win condition will still be achievable even if they are mislynched on day 1.

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This also bothers me.

And so it should, given how things unfolded.

The primary intention of this post was to put pressure on someone I thought scummy. It certainly wasn't a "I'm done with Arthur, lynch time!!" post. Votato's unvote bugged me because I thought Arthur needed to post proper reads, claim and justify why we shouldn't lynch him.

If we had a more information to work with I would be comfortable with me as a lynch target as we can afford the mislynch, and it would probably tell us something. However, we're looking like clearing the only 2 truly active people, and you seemingly want to lynch the 3rd or 4th most active contributor (I was going to say 3rd because while votato has more posts than me, I feel I have contributed more content, but by post count alone I am 4th).

[Town looter]

@Mod: What's the deal with replacements?

[Mikul]

If we had a more information to work with I would be comfortable with me as a lynch target as we can afford the mislynch, and it would probably tell us something. However, we're looking like clearing the only 2 truly active people, and you seemingly want to lynch the 3rd or 4th most active contributor (I was going to say 3rd because while votato has more posts than me, I feel I have contributed more content, but by post count alone I am 4th).

everything about this also bothers me. you are acting like activity is AI

[Town looter]

No, I am not. I am saying activity is pro-town. Regardless of my alignment, me posting (assuming its not complete nonsense) is likely to be pro-town. Whereas, if Anthony, Vexo or Brass remain in game we will struggle because of inactivity. Even votato has hardly been super helpful or active. Let say the 5 non-confirmed are all equally likely to be scum; keeping votato and I around makes sense from a town POV because at least you will have content to work with late game.

However, this is all irrelevant if we get active replacements who adequately catch up and contribute.

[votato]

nah you lynch scummy people not lurky people. it just so happens that being lurky is scummy. also, i dont think ive been lurky. its just that its friggin page 12 and my best mafia is played at page 75+

[Mikul]

nah you lynch scummy people not lurky people. it just so happens that being lurky is scummy. also, i dont think ive been lurky. its just that its friggin page 12 and my best mafia is played at page 75+

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town blocking you even harder for consistency

[votato]

im ok with that

[Town looter]

So ok, the only thing worth discussing before a some activity hopefully appears is why you think I am scum Mikul (or conversely why you think I am town votato).

I think it is useful to have that discussion now because odds are we don't have scum involved in the conversation (well, according to Mikul anyways) - with them out of the conversation there isn't any distortion effects, biases are reduced. (from your POV, sure, I could be scum, but I don't need to be directly part of the conversation).

Town-confirmed gut feels will likely be taken advantage of once replacements roll in.

From my point of view it has to be a style (and/or bad play) thing on my part. I pinged KAAG in the last game, and now I am pinging you. Shit like "Everything about tl bugs me. Literally everything and I can't put a finger on it" isn't going to help town win - in fact last game I am pretty sure it contributed to Cass's vote. In fact I would read your posts as scummy if the whole claim thing hadn't gone down and it being very likely you are town.

So come on, less fast-posting and more thinking: why am I pinging you so hard?

[Town looter]

Urgh, too many "In fact"s. I hate bad grammar.

[votato]

town looter could you link your past games? ideallly both town and scum games.

[Town looter]

My old user name on this site was Lootifer. I think there was one, maybe two, scum games in 2014/15.

I have some games off site as well, but when I tried to dig them up the other day I couldn't seem to find them. You can try if you like: Lootifer username at https://www.conquerclub.com/forum/search.php (they have a mafia games section).

[votato]

heh i played on that site many years ago. you dont have any recent meta from this site though?

[Town looter]

Nah, I hadn't played Mafia in ~5 years before Newbie 2008.

[votato]

lol way to out the tracker's crumb in your first post. and somehow the tracker survived until night 2

[votato]

oh wait nvm that was the tracker that outed his own crumb. lol Not_Mafia...

[votato]

ok i gues ill defer to mikul and lunatic since they were both in that game with you and know you better. but i still think brass is the best lynch today.

[votato]

it seems that arthur anthony and mikul were porken's scumreads. i was the strongest townread, but that means i might have some incentive to kill porkens and leave that townread locked in and on the record.

[Town looter]

it seems that arthur anthony and mikul were porken's scumreads. i was the strongest townread, but that means i might have some incentive to kill porkens and leave that townread locked in and on the record.

A quick re-skim of Porkens big post shows while he thought Anthony was scum, it was predicated on Arthur being scum. Reading between the lines I think he also had a fairly dim view of Brass as well. That being said, drawing reads from an analysis post of the recently deceased is probably a bad idea...

[votato]

well i dont think porkens was killed on suspicion of being PR. it could simply be that scum were gunning for SEs, but thats not a great strat, and i feel like that you gun for the more active SE, so i would be dead. unless my reads are absolutely terrible. which is possible. but the simpler explanation is that porkens posed a danger because of his reads.

[Town looter]

Porkens came across very competent and town to me. I wasn't surprised by his night kill at all.

His big post, plus 132 were especially genuine imo.

I think he was killed because he was a threat to scum - not from his current reads per se, but likely what he would've come up with had he lived. I mean, as you say, he seemed to be reading Arthur as scum.

[votato]

yeah but 8 posts is insufficient to warrant a kill generally. im sure there were other people who posed a bigger threat, unless porkens' reads really were that good.

[keyenpeydee]

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