Newbie 2014: Aesthetic | Game Over

[brassherald]

I give a read, Nash is scum, his predecessor falls into the newbie scum tactic of just not posting. Hell, I replaced into a game where I won as scum because my partner did this and no one called him out. But, it's the "easy vote" so, what? Is it because I'm not sitting here typing pages of text? That's not my style, and I definitely don't want to read long posts, have less desire to make them.

So, what exactly is it I'm supposed to do to change your minds? Solve the game for you all? Not tell you that outing PRs is anti-town?

I mean, not exactly much for me to do at this point with the heavy confirmation bias going on.

[Lunatic]

I give a read, Nash is scum, his predecessor falls into the newbie scum tactic of just not posting. Hell, I replaced into a game where I won as scum because my partner did this and no one called him out. But, it's the "easy vote" so, what? Is it because I'm not sitting here typing pages of text? That's not my style, and I definitely don't want to read long posts, have less desire to make them.

So, what exactly is it I'm supposed to do to change your minds? Solve the game for you all? Not tell you that outing PRs is anti-town?

I mean, not exactly much for me to do at this point with the heavy confirmation bias going on.

Yeah the jackass role doesn't work out to well for trying to look townie. Actually making an effort and seeming to want to scum hunt would be another thing, but your just not there.

[Mikul]

I give a read, Nash is scum, his predecessor falls into the newbie scum tactic of just not posting. Hell, I replaced into a game where I won as scum because my partner did this and no one called him out. But, it's the "easy vote" so, what? Is it because I'm not sitting here typing pages of text? That's not my style, and I definitely don't want to read long posts, have less desire to make them.

So, what exactly is it I'm supposed to do to change your minds? Solve the game for you all? Not tell you that outing PRs is anti-town?

I mean, not exactly much for me to do at this point with the heavy confirmation bias going on.

I agree. I don't expect you to flood post and for the sake of not breaking site rules, I won't go into detail. But compare other games you are in and then look at this one. You seem actively engaged in other games and like you have a vested interest in it. This one there is little to no interest. I think you can even admit this.

That's the scum read , not because you were gone for the weekend.

[Mikul]

I give a read, Nash is scum, his predecessor falls into the newbie scum tactic of just not posting. Hell, I replaced into a game where I won as scum because my partner did this and no one called him out

See this is content and it's not an essay

[votato]

Im ready to lynch brass

[brassherald]

Yeah, you guys were ready to lynch me without posting, so, clearly I should waste my time and effort actually working in this thread, that makes sense for me and my time management.

I have consistently held that my time is valuable and people consistently call me a jackass for not being willing to waste time.

So lynch me, deal with the green flip and move on. I'm not going to be apologetic for when Day 1 ended like just 3 days in, and Day 2 I've been labelled scum without any avenue to convince otherwise. Then, what? You want me to apologize for valuing my own time? If I don't, sure as hell no one else will.

[votato]

Youve yet to make any effort this game. Why shoulf we keep you have for potential lylo tomorrow if you arent gonna be here to solve or try? I realize you think your time is more valuable than the rest of ours, but if youre gonna sign up to play mafia you should be ready to play mafia

[brassherald]

I'm not saying my time is more valuable than your time, I'm just saying I value it too much to waste it on the effort of pushing a boulder up a hill just to have it roll back on me.

I've been down this shitty road before, I'll make posts, people will say my reads are all generic and I didn't do enough to invent the wheel.

I messed up by not expecting Day 1 to end a week early and I know the point where the reads of me are at. I cannot change anyone's mind at this point and anything short of finding the entire scum team with a guilty will just all lead to everyone lynching me and never reading my posts again because "I didn't add anything of value"

I didn't have my moment of clarity Day 1 that I sometimes get at the end of the day, so, now I'm a top scum read.

I've played this game before.

[Town looter]

In that case reads would be helpful Brass.

[Town looter]

Also can we please take Brass off L-1? A quick hammer now would be extremely frustrating, and while it is unlikely I don't want it to happen.

I am ok with a Brass lynch (although still think Nash is scummier - post incoming), but there is absolutely no excuse for a hammer without reads and subsequent discussion.

[Mikul]

UNVOTE: Brass

[Town looter]

I skimmed through the pages and realised that post 27 wasn't perceived well.

It's pretty obvious that the alignment known to have a problem with choosing a solid vote and urge to

do something

is the mafia, and any sane player would know this. To think that scum!Vexo typed that down and didn't feel even a tiny urge to scrutinise is a stretch, don't you think? I know for a fact that this slot is town and I can assure you that this is an authentic

case of TStBS

. Normally I wouldn't adopt a defensive tone like this, but we will lose both of our PRs with no extra information if we carry out a mislynch (assuming no CCs - A1).

Obviously the best move for scum at the moment would be to join the Nash wagon, and I'm confident that there's scum in {Town Looter, brassherald, ArthurConyl}.
Based on vote progression alone, I'll go for Town Looter for now. I can spot a scum agenda there.

I'm fairly convinced that votato is town.
If any of you have cases on one of the three, I'm all ears.

You seem to be trying to turn what in my mind is a scummy post into a "scum wouldn't make that mistake"/WIFOM kind of situation. I think the simplest solution is the right one here: A scummy post was made, because the poster is scum. Vexo is new to forum Mafia, so if the slot was town I don't think you would make the argument you have, I think you would just write it off to a nervous newbie being a nervous newbie.

[Mikul]

Connor thoughts on tl?

[Mikul]

Can't determine if it's posturing or actual town. I feel like a scum tl would have went with the bandwagon on herald and likely tried to Lynch him

[Mikul]

Connor also when you read this. You know how in liva mafia we always type something and what purpose it serves the next dp?

[Town looter]

We were scum in that one together, and he was town. But his posts were very different from how they are here. First of all he was much less active and excited about the game. And most of his posts read as null to the other townies, which is ultimately how he got mislynched to win us the game. But yeah, he could have just learned from that game or something, but his posts are much more frequent here. I suspect he's more excited maybe from getting scum? I don't know.

Might as well address this even though it's very much a "of course your would say that" type situation.

I haven't played Mafia in 5+ years so I am effectively a newbie who knows the jargon and rules. 2008 was a steep learning curve for me - I tried to play that game cool, because I know my natural style is very transparent. Transparent is fine as town, but eventually I will roll scum and be boned on day 1 - so I wanted to play it cool and aloof, establish a meta that would help as scum later on. Shit backfired badly - KAAG tunnelled me for inactivity and I could never get out of the hole.

If you look at the last day phase I was about as active and engaged then as I am being now.

He's not cleared 100%. But the logic is, as scum, it seems best to make one person carry out both the night kill and the roleblock so you have less people to potentially show up on tracker results. That means one scum gets burned instead of 2. Of course we have no way of knowing for sure if mafia are experienced enough to do that as a strategy, but it is assumed most logical scum teams would operate with that in mind. If that's the case, it looks really good for Votato being jailkept (roleblocked) and a kill still went through. At the very least he didn't carry out the night kill. That clears him as 50% not scum in my mind. I go further with it based on behavior though.

Cool, that makes sense. I just wanted to check you guys weren't writing off the scenarios:

• He's a goon and his partner did the RB and NK
  
• He's a RBer and they split up

The second point could very well have been enforced by the mod too btw, I don't think there is a consistent rule, but I do remember seeing one mod say that when both scum are alive you can't have one person do both action and kill.

@MOD: What is your policy on night actions and night kills? Could the RBer have done both?

[Mikul]

Yes they can @tl

[Town looter]

@ Mikul and Lunatic:

Does Brassherald's posting in the last 24 hours have a similar vibe to the way N_M posted prior to his lynching? Different approach for sure, but to me it has that kind of urgency to stay alive combined with mild irritation that they can't just shitpost and have to actually play the game.

I am getting slight town pings here and there because of this. But overall, I still think they are a good lynch (I agree with Mikul's point about activity in other games and the vote on Arthur was bad).

Also we still have one replacement to come.

[Mikul]

Hard to peg. He's a lawyer , all lawyers are anal

[Lunatic]

Connor also when you read this. You know how in liva mafia we always type something and what purpose it serves the next dp?

Yes

[Mikul]

Connor also when you read this. You know how in liva mafia we always type something and what purpose it serves the next dp?

Yes

Think about what I'm going to do and the purpose of it as far as confirmation

I'm going to rense (wash off) tonight

[Lunatic]

Connor thoughts on tl?

I still feel the same on him. The mahor thing I dont like is how flip floppy his reads are. He went from saying that Anthony was scum to town reading him when the three of us had our votes him. He's soing the same thing with brass now, after stating he finds him scummy but pointing out thimfs he thinks are townie but is still willing to lynch him. Seems mayne to absolve himself of being wrong. If town looter is scum I will suspect the Anthony slot strongly. I'm honestly okay with lynching randomly in the pool of the 4 people. We have a 50% chance of being right and honest day phase it will make the odds even stronger. The wagon info will be useful. It will be useful to see who distances themselves from each other or fights to defend another. I don't scum read nas though I think brass town or Anthony are my favorite options.

[Mikul]

I kind of want to Gambit this game

I want to Lynch Anthony and if he flips scum it basically confirms herald. I don't think he would bus him what that read scum

If Anthony flips town we lynch herald no matter what.

And hope that Poe works

[Lunatic]

Can't determine if it's posturing or actual town. I feel like a scum tl would have went with the bandwagon on herald and likely tried to Lynch him

As far as herald goes, he is still im support of lynching him.

[Lunatic]

Holy crap 346 was unreadable. I hate posting from my phone.