Newbie 2014: Aesthetic | Game Over

Mikul · Post Post #400 (ISO) » Tue Jun 30, 2020 5:49 am

143 TL is back on arthur if he was ever off I forgot, but this is an easy lynch to get on as scum and not look suspect

Arthur self hammers. In on the lynch (Me, Brass Herald, Anthony, TL, Arthur) there is one scum on this wagon. Maybe 2 but likely 1

Porkens dies, so why?

TL was one of the people he was scum leaning, and also myself. I'm town, and the other was vex who was not here during the np. It could also be a SE wanting him out because he is a good player

Is this a TL, Votato scum team?

Dismissing all posts by luna cause confirmed town, don't need to look for town motivation.

166 TL still being werid af
196 TL says he sees no value in lunas question when luna is obv trying to generate activity in a dead game after TL just complained about it not be active enough
199 Porkens dies and TL parrots his read in his long post

Everything else has recently happened,

VOTE: Townlooter

Everything about him has been off this game, and re reading it, it seems even more awkward than the last game he was town in. It's polar opposite play style. He voted and scum leaned me and then started to buddy me a few posts down from that. He was one of the people in on the arthur lynch (as i said at least one scum was on that), and porkens was reading him scummy

If TL flips scum this very likely could be a votato tl scum team
if hes town, it's likely votato is town

this is not perfect logic but assuming one of the two innactives are scum unless votato can make them carry out the night action, it basically confirms him because he would have to carry it himself

Mikul · Post Post #401 (ISO) » Tue Jun 30, 2020 5:50 am

@mod

hypothetically if scum is inactive during the np, could their partner make them carry out an action if they aren't there?

votato · Post Post #402 (ISO) » Tue Jun 30, 2020 5:50 am

In post 401, Mikul wrote:@mod

hypothetically if scum is inactive during the np, could their partner make them carry out an action if they aren't there?

yes

Mikul · Post Post #403 (ISO) » Tue Jun 30, 2020 5:51 am

I'm actually not okay with a herald lynch now. Thinking on it why would he replace out?

I really think as scum he would have more incentive to stay because he was already going to be lynched. Replacing out just looks bad. I think he actually just got pissed at the game and dipset

votato · Post Post #404 (ISO) » Tue Jun 30, 2020 5:52 am

quick is like 90% scum. i can buy looter maybe? but id prefer the quick lynch today.

votato · Post Post #405 (ISO) » Tue Jun 30, 2020 5:53 am

ive played with quick at least half a dozen times at this point. never have i seen town!quick act like this.

Mikul · Post Post #406 (ISO) » Tue Jun 30, 2020 5:54 am

I'm not going to second guess myself here unless luna can talk me out of it. My vote will be on TL. We have a 50/50 chance of getting it right and everything about TL has bugged me this game and re reading it, it makes it even more obvious. If i'm wrong I apologize.

and as I said i'm largely disregarding most of the stuff being said by the replacements until next DP because they have nothing of value and I don't trust the perspectives because one could be scum. Think it's better suited to look at the actions of noobs because it's more telling

I think Anthony is town, and I think someone pushing his lynch is scum as well.

I also think between that and TL we have a good shot of getting them.

Mikul · Post Post #407 (ISO) » Tue Jun 30, 2020 5:56 am

@votato link me examples of what you are talking about to make a case. I'm decided on todays lynch

but as far as routing out his partner, we can go to that next for the rest of the dp

why do you think hes scum

I have not fully blocked you but you have been consistent with what you said about enjoying late game more than early game and liking inactive games and there was a 50/50 chance you carried out the nk. It's not much but its better than nothing.

Mikul · Post Post #408 (ISO) » Tue Jun 30, 2020 5:57 am

liking active games!

LicketyQuickety · Post Post #409 (ISO) » Tue Jun 30, 2020 6:04 am

In post 405, votato wrote:ive played with quick at least half a dozen times at this point. never have i seen town!quick act like this.

You're not even voting me, dude.

votato · Post Post #410 (ISO) » Tue Jun 30, 2020 6:10 am

oh good point. VOTE: quick

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=50&t=82949
here is a quick towngame. can you spot the difference?

Mikul · Post Post #411 (ISO) » Tue Jun 30, 2020 6:14 am

In post 410, votato wrote:oh good point. VOTE: quick

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=50&t=82949
here is a quick towngame. can you spot the difference?

What do you think the difference is?

LicketyQuickety · Post Post #412 (ISO) » Tue Jun 30, 2020 6:16 am

In post 410, votato wrote:oh good point. VOTE: quick

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=50&t=82949
here is a quick towngame. can you spot the difference?

That's pretty much the worst example that you could have given. I was defending myself the whole time that game. And I was the D1 lynch. This argument is deeply flawed.

Mikul · Post Post #413 (ISO) » Tue Jun 30, 2020 6:18 am

Scum theatre or one of you is scum

....

Yeah I'm completely going off Anthony and herald for now

I'm not moving off looter. Connor will likely agree with me and then we go from there

So is this theatre or not

Mikul · Post Post #414 (ISO) » Tue Jun 30, 2020 6:20 am

I think it's more likely Anthony is newb town

Would a wild votato push a lynch on newb town

LicketyQuickety · Post Post #415 (ISO) » Tue Jun 30, 2020 6:20 am

I'm actually waiting for votato to say how these games are diff.

votato · Post Post #416 (ISO) » Tue Jun 30, 2020 6:50 am

quick the main thing thats consistent about you is that you're active, aggressive, and inconsistent. you flip flop all over the place. you werent on the defensive that game until you flip flopped a bunch. you also always talk about "your system" and how good you are at mafia. you havent mentioned your system for scumhunting. you have only pressed one read. youve been decently active, but the way youre active feels different too.

LicketyQuickety · Post Post #417 (ISO) » Tue Jun 30, 2020 6:58 am

In post 416, votato wrote:quick the main thing thats consistent about you is that you're active, aggressive, and inconsistent. you flip flop all over the place. you werent on the defensive that game until you flip flopped a bunch. you also always talk about "your system" and how good you are at mafia. you havent mentioned your system for scumhunting. you have only pressed one read. youve been decently active, but the way youre active feels different too.

None of that is a good illustration of my play as Town as a whole. You've played like, 6 games with me and use only one to say why I am Scum. I haven't seen you use meta before and 6 games of meta isn't even enough. Your meta arguments are also incredibly weak given the point of reference is based on my first game back in 2 years. I also don't think you actually believe I am Scum.

Lunatic · Post Post #418 (ISO) » Tue Jun 30, 2020 7:05 am

If Anthony hasn't been replaced yet, he's posting in the scum PM.

Lunatic · Post Post #419 (ISO) » Tue Jun 30, 2020 7:05 am

VOTE: Anthony

Mikul · Post Post #420 (ISO) » Tue Jun 30, 2020 7:16 am

In post 418, Lunatic wrote:If Anthony hasn't been replaced yet, he's posting in the scum PM.

Mod already replaced him.

Just waiting on confirmation from the replacement

Lunatic · Post Post #421 (ISO) » Tue Jun 30, 2020 8:18 am

In post 420, Mikul wrote:
In post 418, Lunatic wrote:If Anthony hasn't been replaced yet, he's posting in the scum PM.

Mod already replaced him.

Just waiting on confirmation from the replacement

Alright I may join you on Town looter later, but I still really wanna hear from anthony or his replacement

Mikul · Post Post #422 (ISO) » Tue Jun 30, 2020 8:21 am

In post 421, Lunatic wrote:
In post 420, Mikul wrote:
In post 418, Lunatic wrote:If Anthony hasn't been replaced yet, he's posting in the scum PM.

Mod already replaced him.

Just waiting on confirmation from the replacement
Alright I may join you on Town looter later, but I still really wanna hear from anthony or his replacement

That's fine. Usually when I second guess myself is when I play my worse. Sometimes its god awful when I don't second guess myself but re read tls iso and you will see what I mean. He is weird af

Lunatic · Post Post #423 (ISO) » Tue Jun 30, 2020 8:40 am

In post 422, Mikul wrote:
In post 421, Lunatic wrote:
In post 420, Mikul wrote:
In post 418, Lunatic wrote:If Anthony hasn't been replaced yet, he's posting in the scum PM.

Mod already replaced him.

Just waiting on confirmation from the replacement
Alright I may join you on Town looter later, but I still really wanna hear from anthony or his replacement
That's fine. Usually when I second guess myself is when I play my worse. Sometimes its god awful when I don't second guess myself but re read tls iso and you will see what I mean. He is weird af

I already agree with you homes

Town looter · Post Post #424 (ISO) » Tue Jun 30, 2020 11:28 am

@Mikul: How much of the last day(s) in 2008 did you properly read? I ask because I don't think my posting is significantly different than that.

I mean, if you don't buy the fact I am trying to improve and be more active compared to last game, and instead think the differences are all due to me being scum then there's not a lot I can say.

That being said, if Lunatic, and Mikul (once confirmed, you're still not completely confirmed remember), are not completely sure you have scum pegged for today's lynch - which you don't, then lynching me today is probably better for town (rather than lynching tomorrow or taking me to LyLo - I doubt I will be night killed given PRs, although possible tomorrow if we don't lynch RBer). I say this because a town-confirmed block strongly suspecting town going into end game seems like a terrible idea.