New Rule: Replace the Word "Lynch" in Games

[Firebringer]

Caring how the public who don't play games here. Who aren't apart of this community. Who don't do anything for this community but apparently silently judge how our community operates is like telling a group of larpers "hey guys you know you all look like clowns when you go dance around with your fake swords and pretend your shooting spells at people.

maybe we should do less of that so everyone else won't judge us"

[Annadog40]

Execution I feel is an appropriate replacement.

Second this, I'm fine with the change just do not like eliminate at all as the replacement word

[xRECKONERx]

There are no harmful words, only people with harmful intentions.

as someone who has had harmful words hurled at me previously in a way that was damaging, i strongly disagree with you.

[Battle Mage]

I tend to agree with Albert (for once ), lynch isn't used in a racially charged way in Mafia and I firmly believe 0% of the players and moderators whom are reluctant to change their vernacular are clinging to racist motives for doing so.

I thought his point was the opposite? That if you stop people saying "lynch" in the online forum game, it would become a forbidden fruit and people would become obsessed with it and presumably find other ways to further their racist ideologies.

Eh, whatever. Given there have been several instances on this site of racially abusive behaviour, I'm perfectly cool with changing the lingo to improve the culture.

[Albert B. Rampage]

the only time I have seen the word lynching in the news is when Jussie Smollet, a leftwing black actor on a minor TV show, staged a crime for which he was the victim of a lynching, because it would inflame the world and give him leverage on his contract negotiation. So this guy bribes two of his friends from Nigeria to put a rope around his neck.

At some point, the fire you fight fire with is the one that ends up burning everything down.

[T-Bone]

Execution I feel is an appropriate replacement.

Second this, I'm fine with the change just do not like eliminate at all as the replacement word

Use it if you want! Flavor is fun!

[xRECKONERx]

the only time I have seen the word lynching in the news is when Jussie Smollet, a leftwing black actor on a minor TV show, staged a crime for which he was the victim of a lynching, because it would inflame the world and give him leverage on his contract negotiation. So this guy bribes two of his friends from Nigeria to put a rope around his neck.

At some point, the fire you fight fire with is the one that ends up burning everything down.

then what a blessed, bubbled life you've lived to have never heard it used another way

a quick google will show you news reports of lynchings of black people this very week in the states!
also, a lifetime of living in the south has afforded me a broader perspective.

[panthaleon]

There are no harmful words, only people with harmful intentions.

as someone who has had harmful words hurled at me previously in a way that was damaging, i strongly disagree with you.

Yeah I've never asked people their intentions when they called me a fag. I usually just feel bad: (

[Nexus]

https://www.voanews.com/usa/race-americ ... -black-men

https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/ ... g-suicide/

[Albert B. Rampage]

There are no harmful words, only people with harmful intentions.

as someone who has had harmful words hurled at me previously in a way that was damaging, i strongly disagree with you.

The admin team will do nothing after I report actual discrimination, but then go around to change the entire mafia language in order to not seem racist.

Any complaint I make is met with "reports are not discussed". What the fuck is wrong with this system? What do I have to do to call attention to actual harmful intentions?

[xofelf]

I think this is ultimately a good change, and also an easy one for us to make.

[xRECKONERx]

There are no harmful words, only people with harmful intentions.

as someone who has had harmful words hurled at me previously in a way that was damaging, i strongly disagree with you.

The admin team will do nothing after I report actual discrimination, but then go around to change the entire mafia language in order to not seem racist.

Any complaint I make is met with "reports are not discussed". What the fuck is wrong with this system? What do I have to do to call attention to actual harmful intentions?

since you haven't reported anything in my jurisdiction of mish mash i'm not sure i can help you! feel free to reach out to an appropriate listmod or discmod (depending on what post you reported), or i'm sure zoraster himself can clarify mod policies for you!

the intent here isn't "to not seem racist". the intent is to phase out a word that is problematic for some people given 400+ years of historical context.

[Elsa Jay]

I also see white guys lynched by black guys if I look hard enough. But thats, again, an issue you take to your political leaders to change. I'm just seeing people like me and Fire liking these in community terminologies and not wanting to change just because some people who aren't even apart of the community want.

If the majority of y'all want it, fine, but I don't see getting rid of community culture as a good thing.

[Albert B. Rampage]

zoraster has done less than nothing to address my concerns which I've brought up twice with him. I find this hypocritical, political and self-serving.

[Something_Smart]

I think it's a pretty brave move to tell an established community that they can't use one of their most common pieces of jargon

Acting out of fear isn't brave. The fear of being perceived as racist should be tempered by an open and accepting community of people who gather around for a hobby, outside of political and cultural clashes.

Sure it can be. Bravery has nothing to do with the motivation for the action, it just has to do with the willingness to deal with the consequences.

This is really the same thing as religious people's fear of being perceived as sinful in our parents and grandparents culture, so they would tell their gay kids to pretend to be straight or talk and behave a certain way because being themselves was forbidden lest everyone in the family be perceived as "sinful".

If a gay person pretending to be straight were as easy as typing "eliminate" instead of "lynch," then yes, it would be similar. The difference between the two situations is scale; what is being asked here is very small, whereas in your example, what is asked is very large.

This isn't so much of the NFL kneeling as the communist party burning books, if we're talking about metaphors. Even though the books may be imperfect, acting against it through power sends an authoritarian signal.

It's not authoritarian to demand that a tradition change if that tradition is harmful. Tradition is demonstrably a pretty poor way to organize society, in general, especially since there's usually no justification for it beyond "that's what we've always done."

[panthaleon]

I also see white guys lynched by black guys if I look hard enough. But thats, again, an issue you take to your political leaders to change. I'm just seeing people like me and Fire liking these in community terminologies and not wanting to change just because some people who aren't even apart of the community want.

If the majority of y'all want it, fine, but I don't see getting rid of community culture as a good thing.

What the fuck

[Battle Mage]

good move, although will take a bit of getting used to! Maybe we could just removing the killing altogether and say:

"Player X fled"?

lore wise, i'd be incentivized to get voted up since I wouldn't risk death unlike with the mafia.

You're right...maybe the Mafia can just "remove from the town", rather than killing!

Non-violent mafia is what we want!

[Nexus]

I also see white guys lynched by black guys if I look hard enough.

I literally googled "lynchings USA recent" and they both came up. I just googled "lynching white guys USA" and nothing came up on the first page.

[Elsa Jay]

"Hard enough".

"First page".

[xRECKONERx]

I also see white guys lynched by black guys if I look hard enough. But thats, again, an issue you take to your political leaders to change. I'm just seeing people like me and Fire liking these in community terminologies and not wanting to change just because some people who aren't even apart of the community want.

If the majority of y'all want it, fine, but I don't see getting rid of community culture as a good thing.

this ain't it. i would go into a post here about broader ideas and the notion of anecdotes vs statistical trends but that's not the point. the point is that it's a proactive action. i don't really believe that people on mafiascum would use the word in a racially insensitive way (well, most people here). but if it takes minor effort to change something so that all people can experience things better, then go listmods go.

abr im not sure how to respond to you whining about a report going ignored, other than to say that sometimes if something is reported i've seen it go into a body of work for the user if it's not actionable by itself. if you experienced actual prejudice and discrimination based on your race, color, religion, sex, gender identity, nationality, age, sexual orientation, disabilities, or genetic information then i am sure the mod team would take that sort of thing deadly serious.

[Blair]

Can we rebrand Cops to Social Workers, please?

The history of racism in law enforcement speaks for itself. The fact that we not only include this terminology in our game format (as one of the most prominent "power" roles, no less) is bad enough, but to add insult to injury, Cops are near-universally placed on the town (read: "Good") side? What kind of message does that send?

[Albert B. Rampage]

If a gay person pretending to be straight were as easy as typing "eliminate" instead of "lynch," then yes, it would be similar. The difference between the two situations is scale; what is being asked here is very small, whereas in your example, what is asked is very large.

Scale has nothing to do with soft censorship.

Ordering your child to not hold hands with a same sex human being under threat of being disowned, but you're "allowed to be gay behind closed doors", is extremely demeaning.

As this policy is demeaning to the moderators.

I don't pay for this private site, I respect the intention but I think it's misguided.

Where I take it personal is that if I report an actual injustice with bad intentions, zoraster doesn't do a single thing about it because it doesn't affect him.

[Nexus]

"Hard enough".

"First page".

Ah so you're not arguing in good faith. Fair enough then.

[Elsa Jay]

No point arguing on a site that goes one way on that front Nex. I support getting rid of lynches IRL. I support california and Oregan actually arresting those people. I just, again, don't support removing anything from history because people don't like it.

[Firebringer]

Can we rebrand Cops to Social Workers, please?

The history of racism in law enforcement speaks for itself. The fact that we not only include this terminology in our game format (as one of the most prominent "power" roles, no less) is bad enough, but to add insult to injury, Cops are near-universally placed on the town (read: "Good") side? What kind of message does that send?

lol