New Rule: Replace the Word "Lynch" in Games

Equinox · Post Post #300 (ISO) » Tue Jun 30, 2020 12:02 pm

In post 294, Enter wrote:The only heavy racial connotation associated with the word "lynch" is the one applied to it by sheltered (largely white) social justice warriors who want to promote some form of change in the world and can't figure out how to do it, so instead of just trying to be good, understanding human beings who try to hold themselves to a high standard and lead by example, they victimize themselves and minorities and put the blame on the way people speak.

It is not like people are not actually being lynched in the United States in the midst of global protests against anti-Black police brutality or anything.

Vi · Post Post #301 (ISO) » Tue Jun 30, 2020 12:03 pm

In post 221, Enter wrote:
In post 219, Ginngie wrote:
In post 218, Something_Smart wrote:
In post 211, FakeGod wrote:What is the replacement word that I should use?
"Hammer"?
nailed it.
Careful, that word has deep importance to certain religious groups. You have to be careful not to hatespeak.

as someone who thinks U Can't Touch This should replace my current national anthem, this was a really stupid post and you need to be made aware of this one specifically

Vi · Post Post #302 (ISO) » Tue Jun 30, 2020 12:04 pm

on a serious note, Enter
*is this the hill you want to die on
*how much are you thinking about what your last post on this site might be

ISO · Post Post #303 (ISO) » Tue Jun 30, 2020 12:06 pm

In post 298, Enter wrote:Who?

You're asking the wrong person. I'm not the one who made the decision.

I have felt it a little, though I'm usually pretty good at separating my emotions from things, and I'm very far removed from it myself.

But I would assume that the decision was made because some people are having stronger reactions than you or I. The mods may or may not want to keep the anonymity of those people. But I'm sure they can assure you that they exist.

ISO · Post Post #304 (ISO) » Tue Jun 30, 2020 12:06 pm

The amount of people actually, legitimately bent out of shape and to some degree UPSET AND ANGRY about having to use a different word in a forum game because a different word is hurtful to some people is...pathetic to say the absolute least. You'd think half these people were the ones who wrote the standard definition of lynch in the dictionary, the way they are taking something extremely easy, simple, and inconsequential for them to follow so personally.

Enter · Post Post #305 (ISO) » Tue Jun 30, 2020 12:06 pm

In post 297, Nahdia wrote:
In post 294, Enter wrote:
In post 289, brassherald wrote:Can we stop having bad faith arguments that just because a word didn't always have racial connotations it means that we can use it freely? It is currently assigned a heavily racial connotation. End of story, doesn't matter that it hasn't always, it matters that it does now and has a history of being used this way.

We all know the noose in the Nascar garage was racial and we all know why and that's why we should be removing it from the site.
The only heavy racial connotation associated with the word "lynch" is the one applied to it by sheltered (largely white) social justice warriors who want to promote some form of change in the world and can't figure out how to do it, so instead of just trying to be good, understanding human beings who try to hold themselves to a high standard and lead by example, they victimize themselves and minorities and put the blame on the way people speak.
The sheltered one is you.

We're gonna have to disagree on that one.

Enter · Post Post #306 (ISO) » Tue Jun 30, 2020 12:07 pm

In post 304, AniX wrote:The amount of people actually, legitimately bent out of shape and to some degree UPSET AND ANGRY about having to use a different word in a forum game because a different word is hurtful to some people is...pathetic to say the absolute least. You'd think half these people were the ones who wrote the standard definition of lynch in the dictionary, the way they are taking something extremely easy, simple, and inconsequential for them to follow so personally.

Man you really hit those scarecrows good.

DkKoba · Post Post #307 (ISO) » Tue Jun 30, 2020 12:08 pm

I PMed zoraster about using the word "hang" earlier and that is ok to use Enter, that should be acceptable to you I would hope

GeorgeBailey · Post Post #308 (ISO) » Tue Jun 30, 2020 12:09 pm

Enter did you really cancel a game over this?

ISO · Post Post #309 (ISO) » Tue Jun 30, 2020 12:11 pm

Can you direct me to where I suggested any arguments on behalf of anyone else? I suggested that there were some people who were bent out of shape and to some degree angry and upset. I don't believe giving my impression of someone's state of mind quite rises to the level of a scarecrow. I didn't even name anyone, so if you are discussing it without being bent out of shape, angry, or upset...it doesn't apply to you?

ISO · Post Post #310 (ISO) » Tue Jun 30, 2020 12:12 pm

Unless you believe I was legitimately suggesting that some people in this thread are motivated solely by their professional attachment to their dictionary work?

Nahdia · Post Post #311 (ISO) » Tue Jun 30, 2020 12:12 pm

Hypothetical Scenario

:

Someone has a fun time playing mafia or werewolf or some variation thereof in a real life setting. They decide to go see if anyone is putting together these games online and stumble upon the site. But upon getting into their first newbie game, they discover everyone is talking about "lynching" each other. Sure, it's just a game, but this person is still made a bit uncomfortable with all the talk of lynching people. Still, they complete their first game, but the feeling of unease sours the experience. They do not return to the site.

For people against this rule:

Do you accept that this hypothetical
could
happen?
How many times does it have to happen before you think the rule makes sense to impose?

Alisae · Post Post #312 (ISO) » Tue Jun 30, 2020 12:12 pm

Enter this doesn't even affect mods.
It affects the players more because as players, its very likely to still use the word "lynch" due to the fact that we've been using it for years and we type it in the scenarios that its appropriate w/o even thinking about it.

Ythan · Post Post #313 (ISO) » Tue Jun 30, 2020 12:12 pm

I honestly didn't think this would be a dramatic thread.

DkKoba · Post Post #314 (ISO) » Tue Jun 30, 2020 12:13 pm

In post 308, GeorgeBailey wrote:Enter did you really cancel a game over this?

Yes I got a PM about an hour ago that Community Independence Day was cancelled over this discourse

Enter · Post Post #315 (ISO) » Tue Jun 30, 2020 12:13 pm

In post 302, Vi wrote:on a serious note, Enter
*is this the hill you want to die on
*how much are you thinking about what your last post on this site might be

No. I don't think anyone should die on this hill. I think it's ridiculous that it's come to this discussion in the first place. I doubt I'll die on this hill -- I don't think I've said anything egregious enough for anyone to stab me -- and if I do, it will mean the site's in a place where I'm not losing much anyways. I'm legitimately upset you seem to think this is a shameful stance to take, but I won't support turning forum games into racial, political, or social commentary, nor am I particularly interested in spending any significant amount of time censoring myself because someone might go out of their way to be offended by it.

Umlaut · Post Post #316 (ISO) » Tue Jun 30, 2020 12:13 pm

In post 312, Alisae wrote:Enter this doesn't even affect mods.
It affects the players more because as players, its very likely to still use the word "lynch" due to the fact that we've been using it for years and we type it in the scenarios that its appropriate w/o even thinking about it.

Except that there is no rule that players can't use the word.

Alisae · Post Post #317 (ISO) » Tue Jun 30, 2020 12:15 pm

In post 316, Umlaut wrote:
In post 312, Alisae wrote:Enter this doesn't even affect mods.
It affects the players more because as players, its very likely to still use the word "lynch" due to the fact that we've been using it for years and we type it in the scenarios that its appropriate w/o even thinking about it.
Except that there is no rule that players can't use the word.

oh shit really then I have no problem with the rule cause it doesn't affect me then.

Enter · Post Post #318 (ISO) » Tue Jun 30, 2020 12:15 pm

In post 309, AniX wrote:Can you direct me to where I suggested any arguments on behalf of anyone else? I suggested that there were some people who were bent out of shape and to some degree angry and upset. I don't believe giving my impression of someone's state of mind quite rises to the level of a scarecrow. I didn't even name anyone, so if you are discussing it without being bent out of shape, angry, or upset...it doesn't apply to you?

In post 310, AniX wrote:Unless you believe I was legitimately suggesting that some people in this thread are motivated solely by their professional attachment to their dictionary work?

I don't think anyone is upset because they can't use the word lynch.

ISO · Post Post #319 (ISO) » Tue Jun 30, 2020 12:16 pm

In post 315, Enter wrote:
In post 302, Vi wrote:on a serious note, Enter
*is this the hill you want to die on
*how much are you thinking about what your last post on this site might be
No. I don't think anyone should die on this hill. I think it's ridiculous that it's come to this discussion in the first place. I doubt I'll die on this hill -- I don't think I've said anything egregious enough for anyone to stab me -- and if I do, it will mean the site's in a place where I'm not losing much anyways. I'm legitimately upset you seem to think this is a shameful stance to take, but I won't support turning forum games into racial, political, or social commentary, nor am I particularly interested in spending any significant amount of time censoring myself because someone might go out of their way to be offended by it.

Ok so you ARE legitimately upset because you have been asked to stop using a word. I have news for you: There are plenty of phrases connected to racial, social, and political commentary you can't use in mafia already.

chamber · Post Post #320 (ISO) » Tue Jun 30, 2020 12:16 pm

OK serious posting. Are we going to change the site logo(s)?

Enter · Post Post #321 (ISO) » Tue Jun 30, 2020 12:16 pm

In post 308, GeorgeBailey wrote:Enter did you really cancel a game over this?

Yes.

Nexus · Post Post #322 (ISO) » Tue Jun 30, 2020 12:17 pm

In post 320, chamber wrote:OK serious posting. Are we going to change the site logo(s)?

Yes. It’s in the pipeline

GeorgeBailey · Post Post #323 (ISO) » Tue Jun 30, 2020 12:17 pm

In post 314, DkKoba wrote:
In post 308, GeorgeBailey wrote:Enter did you really cancel a game over this?
Yes I got a PM about an hour ago that Community Independence Day was cancelled over this discourse

I'll run it after CoC fills/gets pulled then. What a fucking waste.

Crack open a thesaurus man.

Umlaut · Post Post #324 (ISO) » Tue Jun 30, 2020 12:17 pm

In post 317, Alisae wrote:
In post 316, Umlaut wrote:
In post 312, Alisae wrote:Enter this doesn't even affect mods.
It affects the players more because as players, its very likely to still use the word "lynch" due to the fact that we've been using it for years and we type it in the scenarios that its appropriate w/o even thinking about it.
Except that there is no rule that players can't use the word.
oh shit really then I have no problem with the rule cause it doesn't affect me then.

This is the funniest take I've seen yet

If a rule doesn't affect me personally there is no reason to care about it