New Rule: Replace the Word "Lynch" in Games

[Ginngie]

If you can point to a race which is being literally exterminated.

wow.

[OkaPoka]

you guys think this thread can last until we hit 420 posts

[Ythan]

I got excited I thought we filtered it to chesskid.

[Enter]

If you're intending on banning me, here's a good last post for you:

I'm a member of the site because I enjoy playing mafia and I have friends here. I expect people who are in situations they disagree with to bring up their discontent and if it becomes obvious they are in a situation they cannot change, they should leave such a place. I have lived such behavior when I encountered unfathomably toxic mindsets in the Speakeasy and other parts of the site. It is apparent I am involved in such a situation again, so I will not be a game moderator given the petty censorship of site administration of game moderators. For this reason I intend to moderate no games. It doesn't matter what word or phrase the site decided it's game moderators could not use, and regardless of whether or not I was planning on using it anyways, I won't put myself in situations where I have to deal with people like that.

I'll step up to learn how to moderate games in your stead I already moderate games on EM so it shouldn't be too hard here.

Thank you! Sorry I cancelled on you, good luck on the site!

[Bingle]

This actually doesn't affect me then.
As a mod sure I have to change the word lynch around to something else, but to me thats not a big deal. I only put it in the final votecount when someone died and when I describe someone dieing during the day, I give them a death scene or just say that they died.

As a player my only real main concern was 312 and if I can still use it and play the game, then all of my concerns go away, and I actually have no reason to hate this change.

This.

Like, I will probably still use the word as a player, because I've been using the word for literal years and I tend to post drunk. Changing the habits of my posting isn't gonna come naturally. As a moderator, the only people actually effected by this rules change atm, find and replace is very easy and you can use whatever flavor you want. Use this as an opportunity to be more creative with your death flavors.

On another note, changing cop to detective doesn't really work well as a fix even if you do subscribe to the notion that police corruption means that the idea of police is inherently tainted because detective is already it's own role. If you absolutely want to move away from cops as PRs, I would suggest the alternative framework we already have of Seer and Werewolf.

Or just don't use the role cop because it's a shitty role in the first place.

[JamSV]

If you can point to a race which is being literally exterminated.

wow.

Indeed, ignore the rest of the quote, all you softies can do is quote without context to make people look bad.

[AniX]

Me, very calmly: "You want me to stop using one word? This is turning every single mafia thread into USPol Part 2. That's it, I'm cancelling my game."

Your grasp of the situation is almost as good as that of Mufasa's.

Ok, so explain it to me. Why is this one word so important that you will cancel your entire game over it? Is it, as you say, you see the removal of the word as some blatant political act? If so, do you object to other politically based censorship that routinely occurs in games? Apparently not, those restrictions have been in place for a very long time, LONG before you even joined and you had no difficulty adhering to them. Slurs on the basis of orientation are relatively newly banned, for example. I recall referring to things as "gay" as a way to dismiss it was very vogue during the early years, but surely you wouldn't be able to refer to an argument in a mafia game you find lacking as "gay" now. I don't recall you cancelling any games over that policy stance, but perhaps I missed it.

It seems like your argument can't be "I oppose all politically based censorship" because you don't have any large objection to it otherwise. It seems like your argument is specifically "I oppose censorship on words I like and want to keep using". Which is an understandable position but not a very logical one, so we must conclude it is an emotional one and...here we are.

My argument is "I oppose all politically based censorship," or close enough to it. Your statements as to why it can't be that are invalid given I'm unaware of any preceding site-wide decree from the administration banning the use of any specific word or words. If you'd like to show me a post that serves the same purpose as this one but for a different word, I'll relinquish my point, but given your argument seems to be more of that "people shouldn't use words that hurt other people and risk administrative action for doing so" is a form of censorship, I'd disagree with you.

Ok, so your argument that this being an official and specific decree about the word, rather than the word being banned as part of a general decree about slurs, that makes it a special case worth leaving the site over?

If you're intending on banning me, here's a good last post for you:

I'm a member of the site because I enjoy playing mafia and I have friends here. I expect people who are in situations they disagree with to bring up their discontent and if it becomes obvious they are in a situation they cannot change, they should leave such a place. I have lived such behavior when I encountered unfathomably toxic mindsets in the Speakeasy and other parts of the site. It is apparent I am involved in such a situation again, so I will not be a game moderator given the petty censorship of site administration of game moderators. For this reason I intend to moderate no games. It doesn't matter what word or phrase the site decided it's game moderators could not use, and regardless of whether or not I was planning on using it anyways, I won't put myself in situations where I have to deal with people like that.

Literally nobody interacting with you is a mod or has banning power? For someone who is not upset, you sure leap directly from "members criticizing your stance and questioning you" to "IF I MUST BE BANNED, LET THIS BE MY FINAL STATEMENT"

Please, if we're going to continue discussion, at least attempt to read my posts, their context, and understand my standpoints. This is like the third time you've done something like this. My post was in response to Vi who made a relatively ominous post here:

despite not actually answering the questions, this is a clear "yes" to the first question and "no" to the second question
just making sure you're aware

what will follow may seem inevitable but it is simply consequence

I know she has been on the site for a time significantly longer than I and has better relationships with more people, and even if you were going to discount the fact that she seems to hold sway with a large portion of the site and seems like a very nice, reasonable person who a lot of people like and might be able to get administration to see her way if she felt that way on a subject, she definitely knows more about the banning policies of the site moderation team, so a statement like this holds at least a little weight.

I've been on the site even longer and I can assure you, you vastly overestimate the ability of people to get bespoke bans.

[scotmany12]

If you're intending on banning me, here's a good last post for you:

I'm a member of the site because I enjoy playing mafia and I have friends here. I expect people who are in situations they disagree with to bring up their discontent and if it becomes obvious they are in a situation they cannot change, they should leave such a place. I have lived such behavior when I encountered unfathomably toxic mindsets in the Speakeasy and other parts of the site. It is apparent I am involved in such a situation again, so I will not be a game moderator given the petty censorship of site administration of game moderators. For this reason I intend to moderate no games. It doesn't matter what word or phrase the site decided it's game moderators could not use, and regardless of whether or not I was planning on using it anyways, I won't put myself in situations where I have to deal with people like that.

You are throwing a hissy fit because you are no longer allowed to use a word with a lot of racist, hurtful history behind it. Honestly says a lot about you.

No, I'm not.

You cancelled a game because you can't use a racist word.

[Ythan]

If you can point to a race which is being literally exterminated.

wow.

Indeed, ignore the rest of the quote, all you softies can do is quote without context to make people look bad.

Lol who the fuck are you.

[AniX]

What term for systematic extermination of white people do we still use on this site that should be banned? I'll oppose using it as a replacement for lynch right alongside you, if you simply name it.

If you can point to a race which is being literally exterminated. I'll be thoroughly impressed. If you're referring to the current situation in America, if you think that is extermination, you have never had a pest problem before.
I admit there are things I will never experience due to my whiteness. However there are more races than black and white...
I don't know if the word is banned but in the UK using the word p***i is extremely offensive to middle eastern people. There are multiple races and demographics to take into account.

I am referring to the situation in America since 1776 regarding race.

Absolutely though, any terms referring to the genocide of Middle Easterners and any slurs about middle easterners should be banned. I don't think anyone on the mod team disagrees. I don't think many if anyone currently on the site disagrees.

[Vi]

I'm pretty sure Enter has already expressed that he's done with this thread, except for responding to the people who are addressing him directly. How about those people stop doing that.

[Ginngie]

this honestly feels like an alt

[AniX]

"Oh, if you oppose racism against black people, will you ALSO oppose racism against Middle Easterners?" is not the gotcha question you thought it was.

[Alisae]

ya know fun fact the French Revolution is also a lynching and the French are proud of the French Revolution, no?

[Haschel Cedricson]

I turned 18 a month after the vote. I will not comment.

This explains a lot.

If you can point to a race which is being literally exterminated. I'll be thoroughly impressed.

Kurds, Rohingya, Uyghur, all off the top of my head.

[Alisae]

if not maybe I just don't know my history KEKW

[N]

ya know fun fact the French Revolution is also a lynching and the French are proud of the French Revolution, no?

what

[AniX]

ya know fun fact the French Revolution is also a lynching and the French are proud of the French Revolution, no?

Sure, but I don't believe they refer to it using the english word lynch nor does the english word lynch have the specific connotations it does in the majority english-speaking country with particularly bad racial issues connected to lynching.

[JamSV]

What term for systematic extermination of white people do we still use on this site that should be banned? I'll oppose using it as a replacement for lynch right alongside you, if you simply name it.

If you can point to a race which is being literally exterminated. I'll be thoroughly impressed. If you're referring to the current situation in America, if you think that is extermination, you have never had a pest problem before.
I admit there are things I will never experience due to my whiteness. However there are more races than black and white...
I don't know if the word is banned but in the UK using the word p***i is extremely offensive to middle eastern people. There are multiple races and demographics to take into account.

I am referring to the situation in America since 1776 regarding race.

Absolutely though, any terms referring to the genocide of Middle Easterners and any slurs about middle easterners should be banned. I don't think anyone on the mod team disagrees. I don't think many if anyone currently on the site disagrees.

Russian slave trade.
Greek slave trade.
Spanish slave trade.
Slaves from war.
Slaves from your own nation back in the days.
I just included slave trades regarding whites, middle eastern asians, and multiple nationalities, Brits were slaves to the Danes when they'd lose a fight and get taken back to Denmark to work for example. In Britain, the rich would also enslave the poor back in the old days.

There's more than 1 race. Stop focusing solely on issues that Black people face. It's hypocritical, you're just trying to look woke, other races and other demographics have also suffered.

[Alisae]

ya know fun fact the French Revolution is also a lynching and the French are proud of the French Revolution, no?

what

The french literally mobbed up against mobility and lynched them.
Is that not how that went down?

[JamSV]

Part of English Culture is on Thursday the 5th of November (firework night), a terrorist called Guy Fawkes was killed when he tried to blow up the government. Are we not allowed to allowed to bring up Lynching and Executions anymore, even though we celebrate it every year in England?

[N]

What term for systematic extermination of white people do we still use on this site that should be banned? I'll oppose using it as a replacement for lynch right alongside you, if you simply name it.

If you can point to a race which is being literally exterminated. I'll be thoroughly impressed. If you're referring to the current situation in America, if you think that is extermination, you have never had a pest problem before.
I admit there are things I will never experience due to my whiteness. However there are more races than black and white...
I don't know if the word is banned but in the UK using the word p***i is extremely offensive to middle eastern people. There are multiple races and demographics to take into account.

I am referring to the situation in America since 1776 regarding race.

Absolutely though, any terms referring to the genocide of Middle Easterners and any slurs about middle easterners should be banned. I don't think anyone on the mod team disagrees. I don't think many if anyone currently on the site disagrees.

Russian slave trade.
Greek slave trade.
Spanish slave trade.
Slaves from war.
Slaves from your own nation back in the days.
I just included slave trades regarding whites, middle eastern asians, and multiple nationalities, Brits were slaves to the Danes when they'd lose a fight and get taken back to Denmark to work for example. In Britain, the rich would also enslave the poor back in the old days.

There's more than 1 race. Stop focusing solely on issues that Black people face. It's hypocritical, you're just trying to look woke, other races and other demographics have also suffered.

what the fuck point are you making? if there's something we do on this site that is insensitive to those cultures you mentioned, please tell the mod team and they will also ban that??

[N]

ya know fun fact the French Revolution is also a lynching and the French are proud of the French Revolution, no?

what

The french literally mobbed up against mobility and lynched them.
Is that not how that went down?

is this relevant

[AniX]

Ok, how many of those have a direct correlation to the murder of those groups in the present day? If there has been even a single murder in the past 50 years related to greek supremacy over historical groups that were slaves to the greeks, I'd be surprised.

[JamSV]

What term for systematic extermination of white people do we still use on this site that should be banned? I'll oppose using it as a replacement for lynch right alongside you, if you simply name it.

If you can point to a race which is being literally exterminated. I'll be thoroughly impressed. If you're referring to the current situation in America, if you think that is extermination, you have never had a pest problem before.
I admit there are things I will never experience due to my whiteness. However there are more races than black and white...
I don't know if the word is banned but in the UK using the word p***i is extremely offensive to middle eastern people. There are multiple races and demographics to take into account.

I am referring to the situation in America since 1776 regarding race.

Absolutely though, any terms referring to the genocide of Middle Easterners and any slurs about middle easterners should be banned. I don't think anyone on the mod team disagrees. I don't think many if anyone currently on the site disagrees.

Russian slave trade.
Greek slave trade.
Spanish slave trade.
Slaves from war.
Slaves from your own nation back in the days.
I just included slave trades regarding whites, middle eastern asians, and multiple nationalities, Brits were slaves to the Danes when they'd lose a fight and get taken back to Denmark to work for example. In Britain, the rich would also enslave the poor back in the old days.

There's more than 1 race. Stop focusing solely on issues that Black people face. It's hypocritical, you're just trying to look woke, other races and other demographics have also suffered.

what the fuck point are you making? if there's something we do on this site that is insensitive to those cultures you mentioned, please tell the mod team and they will also ban that??

You know what N, you kind of get it, but not really.

The point is:

Ban every possible offensive word
OR
Ban nothing