Open 781: JK9++ Game Over!

[PenguinPower]

Oooh - true to his word.

[ofrhz]

VOTE COUNT 4.3

Something_Smart [1]:

Almost50 [4321]

Almost50 [1]:

Bingle [4253]

Not Voting [4]:

Menalque [4196], MariaR, Something_Smart, PenguinPower

With

6

alive, it takes

4

to hammer.
Day 4 ends in

(expired on 2020-07-10 11:30:00)

Game Notes:

n/a

[PenguinPower]

I'm so sorry ofrhz.

[Almost50]

But then A50 was like "it has to be between me and JingleBingle" and now he's voting SS so idk

?? When did I say it could be you???? I've always wanted to lynch between Bingle & S_S

[PenguinPower]

Sorry if I wasn’t clear - you were previously saying lynch in A50 (what I was referring to when I put me in quotes) and JingleBingle, but now you’re voting SS.

[Menalque]

You’re aware I can’t see this image as daily news is blocked in Europe due to their cookie policy?

[Menalque]

@maria do you think scum!bingle would have a tantrum like this?

[PenguinPower]

It’s a picture from Green Eggs and Ham.

[Almost50]

I could see the monkey being scum

Time to pay your ophthalmologist a visit I say. I would also recommend a psychiatrist visit if the ophthalmologist says your vision is OK. You're either having sight problems or are hallucinating.

[PenguinPower]

[MariaR]

@maria do you think scum!bingle would have a tantrum like this?

No. And if for some name in gods earth he is I prob will not play with bingle again. However, as someone who knows bingle a little I don't think they're scum nor would they do this.

I'm at the point where I want to vote A50/S_S because the only one who doesn't townread peng is S_S and you to some extent

[Bingle]

You keep repeating this like a broken record, so I'm going to ask you straight up: If YOU, Bingle, were a JK in this game; would you have been on skitter the night she got killed? In other words: Just switch your role with Blake's and keep everything else as it is.. roles, alignments, claims, lynches.. etc. Now tell me with a straight face that you would have JK'd the claimed Vig.

No, as a JK in Blake's shoes I would have JK'd proactively. Which would be targeting potential scum players, like (from Blakes perspective at the time) Firebringer or myself, who would be likely to make the nightkill. Which is literally the argument for why I'd have used the strongman in the first place. A doctor guarantees skitter will be protected, a JK means it's likely that people in the POE (which, again, included both me and FB for the night skitter was shot) won't be able to successfully make a kill.

A failed scumkill there potentially puts town into autowin (We're damned close without it). Given the presumption of a protective role existing (which is knowledge scum would have if they didn't shoot PB) there's a 50% of Doc and a 50% of a tracker.

Skitter is protected ~100% of the time if there's a doc. The killer is blocked 10% of the time if there's a JK (Even discounting the JK not targeting themselves or Skitter, for ease of math). That's a 55% chance of a game ending result via a protective role.

Given a tracker (~38%), the killer is targeted the same proportion of the time. (10%) By random chance, a tracker therefore has a 3.8% chance of being dangerous to scum (in that they would then have to fakeclaim a PR and potentially still live multiple phases) and a protection has a 55% chance of being dangerous to scum. Adjusting the likelihood of a tracker hitting to more accurately represent the gamestate ALSO adjusts the chances of the JK hitting by the same amount.

tl;dr, the only options for night actions from a sane JOAT were strongman or roleblock on N2. I did not strongman or roleblock on N2. I am therefore not scum.

[Menalque]

Bingle I hope you’re aware that I was shitpushing you and I’m sorry if it’s frustrated you this much but I needed to be sure and I would really like to cooperate with you to try and solve the game

[PenguinPower]

I kinda just wanna lynch SS. Bingle is working his magic on me and Maria isn’t helping.

[Menalque]

*knowingly shitpushing you, as in I didn’t believe a lot of what I was saying but I thought it would prompt you to respond in a way that I hoped would clarify your alignment because I did have *doubts* based on my respect for your scumgame

[MariaR]

Since Mena is gonna die I'll end the day when he wants to but I'm ready to vote

[MariaR]

This is like the most lazy f6 I've ever seen. I thought more things would go on but it feels like I have to put in most of the solving and it's so zzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

[PenguinPower]

I feel like I just heard Mena say that...

[MariaR]

Go back to your fish Penguin unless you wanna eat fist!

[MariaR]

I'm mostly grumpy because I hate being clear and the fact if we get this wrong means we lynch at F4 is *stress* I think it's probably just S_S considering the fact he's rolling over. But hey who knows

[PenguinPower]

So punchy...as always

dont hurt me

[PenguinPower]

I don’t want to be in a f4 with Bingle/A50 and a clear because Bungle will make me vote you.

But it’s probably just SS.

[Menalque]

I was also *sort of* hoping that scum might try to support my push on bingle but no one rose to it so idk what to think there

[Menalque]

Is it better to lynch SS or A50 first?

[PenguinPower]

I prefer SS because I don’t think A50 is scum.

Counterpoint, I don’t want to be in f4 with A50 and Bingle.