New Rule: Replace the Word "Lynch" in Games

[xRECKONERx]

also i have not implied anybody is racist. not one of my posts. read better tbh.

You have:

pro tip: not being racist or making people more comfortable by not using potentially problematic words isn't political! if you think it is, you're wrong!

cancel mafia if we can't LYNCH PEOPLE with our NOOSES

show me in these posts where i called people racist? or implied that?

first post: trying to illuminate the fact that this isnt a political issue
second post: bringing attention to the fact that lynching has ties to nooses which has ties to racism

people may not realize that

nobody is a racist for not realizing that. im trying to help people realize that.

[Lycanfire]

You can be misinformed

and

think there's nothing wrong with the word "lynch".

I thought the same thing before the T-shirt thread. Then I looked up the origin of the word.

It comes from "lynch law" which was vigilante justice carried out against blacks. Back then, it was considered justice. It's now considered tyranny of the majority/terrorism.

I didn't know and I didn't feel bad for using it, but I don't use it anymore.

[Dunnstral]

Yes it is. The opinion is that Lynching has nothing to do with race which is racist as Lynching has everything to do with race.

Do not confuse the United States with the entire world.

[AniX]

also i have not implied anybody is racist. not one of my posts. read better tbh.

You have:

pro tip: not being racist or making people more comfortable by not using potentially problematic words isn't political! if you think it is, you're wrong!

cancel mafia if we can't LYNCH PEOPLE with our NOOSES

Those are statements that don't target any particular person, even in a subtweet way. If a poster sees their own opinion reflected in those general criticisms, that really does sound like a them problem.

[xRECKONERx]

You can be misinformed

and

think there's nothing wrong with the word "lynch".

I thought the same thing before the T-shirt thread. Then I looked up the origin of the word.

It comes from "lynch law" which was vigilante justice carried out against blacks. Back then, it was considered justice. It's now considered tyranny of the majority/terrorism.

I didn't know and I didn't feel bad for using it, but I don't use it anymore.

this is a very good take thank you lycan

[Aristophanes]

Also its just a game guys.

Exactly.

So let's make it more accepting by removing a term that is known to be problematically charged!

[Lycanfire]

Yes it is. The opinion is that Lynching has nothing to do with race which is racist as Lynching has everything to do with race.

Do not confuse the United States with the entire world.

The word lynch is uniquely American.

[Ythan]

It has never had any racial connotations.

Oh another incredibly stupid take I missed.

[Nero Cain]

you guys do know that lynchings happened long before the trans-Atlantic slave trade. I mean, yes, the word lynch does carry so many racist undertones b/c of how the KKK used lynches for black ppl but I just wanted to point out that it is has been a punishment for ONLY blacks is absolutely false.

[AniX]

Yes it is. The opinion is that Lynching has nothing to do with race which is racist as Lynching has everything to do with race.

Do not confuse the United States with the entire world.

Ok, that would certainly excuse not knowing. I don't recall anyone coming into this thread in good faith going "I'm a little confused. Why would lynch be racist?" and being criticized. But not being from the United States isn't a free pass for people to ignore that the word has such a connotation in the United States, nor does it prevent them from realizing severing our connection to that connotation, even if it is in a foreign country, is more important than a particular word in a forum game.

[Dunnstral]

show me in these posts where i called people racist? or implied that?

Your response to somebody saying that the term lynch is political was 'not being racist isn't political'

How does that not imply that they are being racist?

[Lycanfire]

you guys do know that lynchings happened long before the trans-Atlantic slave trade. I mean, yes, the word lynch does carry so many racist undertones b/c of how the KKK used lynches for black ppl but I just wanted to point out that it is has been a punishment for ONLY blacks is absolutely false.

The word lynch is American because it comes from lynch law either from Charles/ William Lynch, two American justices that were both alive in the nineteenth century. Hanging has always been a thing, lynching has not.

[Ythan]

you guys do know that lynchings happened long before the trans-Atlantic slave trade. I mean, yes, the word lynch does carry so many racist undertones b/c of how the KKK used lynches for black ppl but I just wanted to point out that it is has been a punishment for ONLY blacks is absolutely false.

Who said that? Legitimately asking, this is a fast thread with many posts.

[Fredrick A Campbell]

The amount of people actually, legitimately bent out of shape and to some degree UPSET AND ANGRY about having to use a different word in a forum game because a different word is hurtful to some people is...pathetic to say the absolute least. You'd think half these people were the ones who wrote the standard definition of lynch in the dictionary, the way they are taking something extremely easy, simple, and inconsequential for them to follow so personally.

Definition of lynch according to Google
Definition of lynch according to Merriam-Webster
Definition of lynch according to Cambridge English Dictionary
Definition of lynch according to Dictionary.com

Hence, I am utterly confused by how this word is even supposed to offend anyone.

[AniX]

you guys do know that lynchings happened long before the trans-Atlantic slave trade. I mean, yes, the word lynch does carry so many racist undertones b/c of how the KKK used lynches for black ppl but I just wanted to point out that it is has been a punishment for ONLY blacks is absolutely false.

Nobody has suggested that ONLY black people have ever been lynched. They are saying that the term lynching has been so irreversibly linked to the systematic murder of black people in the United States that it has overtaken in priority any mundane usage of the term.

There are mundane uses of the Swastika and they extend back far further than the Nazi regime, but you'll have a tough argument in suggesting we should allow swastika avatar even if they aren't the Nazi kind.

[Aristophanes]

Jam, for definite.

but that's not who Scott was talking about.

not have the potential of alienation of users

but by removing the term "lynch" we've already lost ABR and potentially Alyssa.

Good.

As I said, if people want to leave over this, they can literally fuck right off.

[Ythan]

The amount of people actually, legitimately bent out of shape and to some degree UPSET AND ANGRY about having to use a different word in a forum game because a different word is hurtful to some people is...pathetic to say the absolute least. You'd think half these people were the ones who wrote the standard definition of lynch in the dictionary, the way they are taking something extremely easy, simple, and inconsequential for them to follow so personally.

Definition of lynch according to Google
Definition of lynch according to Merriam-Webster
Definition of lynch according to Cambridge English Dictionary
Definition of lynch according to Dictionary.com

Hence, I am utterly confused by how this word is even supposed to offend anyone.

Your ignorance is not anyone's responsibility but your own.

[AniX]

The amount of people actually, legitimately bent out of shape and to some degree UPSET AND ANGRY about having to use a different word in a forum game because a different word is hurtful to some people is...pathetic to say the absolute least. You'd think half these people were the ones who wrote the standard definition of lynch in the dictionary, the way they are taking something extremely easy, simple, and inconsequential for them to follow so personally.

Definition of lynch according to Google
Definition of lynch according to Merriam-Webster
Definition of lynch according to Cambridge English Dictionary
Definition of lynch according to Dictionary.com

Hence, I am utterly confused by how this word is even supposed to offend anyone.

Because the problem with the word isn't its definition but its intense and pervasive historical sociopolitical context that isn't captured by a dictionary?

[xRECKONERx]

show me in these posts where i called people racist? or implied that?

Your response to somebody saying that the term lynch is political was 'not being racist isn't political'

How does that not imply that they are being racist?

because im trying to inform. being against racism isnt being not racist, it's being ANTI racist
and anti-racism isn't a political matter. people calling it "political" are dismissing the issue as "political" when it's not

and while i avoid political arguments because i hate politics, this isn't political.

[Dunnstral]

The amount of people actually, legitimately bent out of shape and to some degree UPSET AND ANGRY about having to use a different word in a forum game because a different word is hurtful to some people is...pathetic to say the absolute least. You'd think half these people were the ones who wrote the standard definition of lynch in the dictionary, the way they are taking something extremely easy, simple, and inconsequential for them to follow so personally.

Definition of lynch according to Google
Definition of lynch according to Merriam-Webster
Definition of lynch according to Cambridge English Dictionary
Definition of lynch according to Dictionary.com

Hence, I am utterly confused by how this word is even supposed to offend anyone.

Good post.

[scotmany12]

I am a white, straight male. I have never experienced any type of racism or prejudice. I am privileged.

I don't think we, as a community, should just simply report posts we see as racists. We should call them out publicly.

If someone is hiding behind "free speech" or "culture" as a reason for allowing lynching to still be allowed in this site, you are using that as an excuse for you true agenda. Instead, you are racist.

If you, as a mod, think what I said was just wrong, then please ban me. You are part of the problem and should not be allowed to mod this site.

[Lycanfire]

Hence, I am utterly confused by how this word is even supposed to offend anyone.

After consulting Merriam-webster

First Known Use of lynch
1835, in the meaning defined above

History and Etymology for lynch
after LYNCH LAW

Basically, what I went over (citing the 1992 American Historical Dictionary) in the "Lynching" thread in 2018.

[DoctorPepper]

I didn't grow up in a place with a racially charged past, but this doesn't really affect the way I play mafia. At the end of the day, if the words used are not proper decorum, it's easy to just not use them? I mean we aren't complaining that we can't use the N-word around here, right?

Seriously guys, it's 2020.

[Psyche]

The amount of people actually, legitimately bent out of shape and to some degree UPSET AND ANGRY about having to use a different word in a forum game because a different word is hurtful to some people is...pathetic to say the absolute least. You'd think half these people were the ones who wrote the standard definition of lynch in the dictionary, the way they are taking something extremely easy, simple, and inconsequential for them to follow so personally.

Definition of lynch according to Google
Definition of lynch according to Merriam-Webster
Definition of lynch according to Cambridge English Dictionary
Definition of lynch according to Dictionary.com

Hence, I am utterly confused by how this word is even supposed to offend anyone.

Good post.

now check out the encyclopedia entries

[DeathNote]

The amount of people actually, legitimately bent out of shape and to some degree UPSET AND ANGRY about having to use a different word in a forum game because a different word is hurtful to some people is...pathetic to say the absolute least. You'd think half these people were the ones who wrote the standard definition of lynch in the dictionary, the way they are taking something extremely easy, simple, and inconsequential for them to follow so personally.

Definition of lynch according to Google
Definition of lynch according to Merriam-Webster
Definition of lynch according to Cambridge English Dictionary
Definition of lynch according to Dictionary.com

Hence, I am utterly confused by how this word is even supposed to offend anyone.

Because lots of black people died by racists white people.

Also I'm utterly confused as to why you care? Either the word is racist or it isn't, why does it matter to you if it stays or go?