Open 785: Secrets of the Anuket Topaz [Game over!]

[Fredrick A Campbell]

I am gonna ask a really dumb question but, can there be power roles in this game?

Check the

SETUP

spoiler in the post below.

GAME RULES

GENERAL

Spoiler:

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-Point 1 from the rules regarding replacement here does not apply. Unless I inform you otherwise, you are allowed to replace back in if a replacement hasn't been found yet.
-Have fun!

VOTING

Spoiler:

-All votes and unvotes must be in

bold

or in VOTE: tags, with vote tags being preferable.
-Votes in spoilers will not be counted.
-Abbreviations and nicknames are acceptable, as long as I can understand them.
-Lynches will occur when a majority (>50%) is reached. If no majority is reached before deadline, the player with the most votes will be lynched. Ties will be resolved by wagon seniority. If the day ends with no votes cast, a random town-aligned player will die.
-Once a hammer has occurred, the game is in "twilight". Discussion may continue until I lock the thread but no further votes or unvotes will be counted.

ACTIVITY

Spoiler:

-You are expected to make at least one game-relevant post every 48 hours. Players who go 48 hours without posting will be prodded.
-If you are prodded, you have 24 hours to post in-thread. If you do not respond within 24 hours, you will be replaced. Additionally, if I have to prod you 3 or more times, I reserve the right to replace you at my own discretion.
-Abuse of prod dodges will result in you being replaced at my own discretion.
-If you are going to be V/LA, please announce it in thread or PM me. If your V/LA will last 7 days or longer I may be forced to replace you.

SETUP

Spoiler:

Secrets of the Anuket Topaz

Roles

:

• 10 Vanilla Townies
  
  
• 3 Mafia Goons

Mechanics

:

• The first two nights are skipped.
  
• Day 1 and Day 2, if a member of the Mafia is lynched, they must confirm 5 living players to be aligned with the town.
  • This will result in their loss if Mafia is lynched both Day 1 and Day 2.
• Starting from Day 3, the Mafia will begin escaping.
  • Each night, in addition to a mandatory kill, one of the Mafia must choose to escape, and will exit the game being revealed to be Mafia.
    
  • At this point, if just one of the Mafia is lynched, the Mafia loses.
    
  • The Mafia win when all living members escape.
• If no Mafia were lynched Day 1 or Day 2, one member of the mafia will escape immediately following the end of Day 2.

If you have any questions about the setup, feel free to ask.

Spoiler: Sample Town Role PM

Anuket Topaz Crew Card

Welcome aboard the

Anuket Topaz

, TODO. This card serves as proof of your status as

Crewman

.


VANILLA TOWN

• You have no special abilities. Your vote is your weapon.

You win when all other winconditions become impossible to achieve.
The

Anuket Topaz

's location is here. Once on-board, please confirm by replying with your alignment.

• NAME:
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• DOB:
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• HT:
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• WGT:
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  lbs
  
• CLASS: VT

[Fredrick A Campbell]

So, I make an RVS vote, then after RVS I remove it, and suddenly everybody somehow didn't expect that?

Exactly. I didn't expect that.

[Raya36]

Welcome to the game Umlaut!

First impressions based on basically nothing:

• Holden town
  
• Eevee town
  
• Raya town
  
• Chemist kinda town
  
• Porkens not so great
  
• Mohab either
  
• everyone else needs to do more

Why isnt porkens great?

Pedit: is that a good point pirate donkey sherrif? Raya bringing that point up doesn't mean she's scum since it sounds valid and means - wait do you mean suboptimal or optimal plan? if you propose optimal plans as scum then she's right to point out it's NAI and that does the same thing of getting us out of RVS
i suppose her route was one that requires more substance than a meta read which would be easy to make for scum but it wouldn't be a scummy one to make

Arg let me dumb down the pirate talk fer clarity sake.

The plan I purposed there was worded to sound pro-town even though it was advocating what is normally suboptimal play in lovers mafia (I was voicing to delay claiming the pairs until halfway through the phase to get "more info out of reactions to the pair claims").

My stance on the matter is that she's townish, or at the very least telling the truth about wanting to force the game pass rvs. While it's true scum!ray could of pointed it out in a NAI way, I think scum ray could of very easily turned it into an opportunity to actually push me/actively discredit me. The total lack of mentioning it sticks out, and I'm struggling to see why scum!ray would ignore it knowing what she knows.

Spoiler: rambling over NAI call out

I think you could say that scum!ray pointing it out as NAI is pro-scum as well since it actively is disrupting town from forming town reads, but if I remember correctly ray admitted their scum play is very underwhelming so I'm not sure if they would see that more advance move as scum (no offense). I rather not accept that yet since I never actually read their scum game during lovers lol. It's also hard to separate that theory from if town!ray had answer (hence why it is a better move for scum to make over shading me but I digress)

Idk if I can help clear anything up because ya know, wifom. My initial rvs vote on you was just for voting votato back. Not a big deal in rvs. But then when you supported porkens for voting votato as well and then invited others to join in the wagon I saw it as a good opportunity to call you out and get the game going


Slight townlean on snowblaze. I find scum tend not to open with a pile of reads.

[HoldenGolden]

Porkens’ calling someone out on lack of useful content on the first page is... odd, but not necessarily scummy. I’m not sure scum would be likely to draw attention to themselves that early on, and I feel like it could be more town trying to get the game out of RVS.

Do you find his later comments to votato trying to get out of RVS? Specifically after votato rebutalled?

[HoldenGolden]

it looks almost too scummy to be scum.

Yeah, that’s really what I’m counting on to carry me through the first couple of days before my teammates can bus me for the win

They can't bus you though in this set up since they auto lose day 3 onwards.

What an ingenious plan! I see no flaws in this masterful scum plan of yours! Allow me to enable your bussing by voting you.

VOTE: Craig

[HoldenGolden]

So, I make an RVS vote, then after RVS I remove it, and suddenly everybody somehow didn't expect that?

Do you think anyone hoping on that train of logic is scum?

[HoldenGolden]

Idk if I can help clear anything up because ya know, wifom. My initial rvs vote on you was just for voting votato back. Not a big deal in rvs. But then when you supported porkens for voting votato as well and then invited others to join in the wagon I saw it as a good opportunity to call you out and get the game going


Slight townlean on snowblaze. I find scum tend not to open with a pile of reads.

I mean not really since it's over what you havent done.

I also disagree on snowblaze and actually

FoS

the readlist. I found most of the reads (pork, Ulmant, mohab, craig) non-committal or providing reasons to not fully trust in it (ulmant on chem for example). The only 3 committed reads there are a townlean on me and eevee and a town ping on you.

[HoldenGolden]

So, I make an RVS vote, then after RVS I remove it, and suddenly everybody somehow didn't expect that?

Exactly. I didn't expect that.

Hello musical composer.

Would you like to give opinions on the events of the game. Are you in favor for the main wagon so far? Who do you like better: eve or eva?

[Mohab500]

I mean, the reason is pretty garbage but town makes all kinds of random plays sometimes so I wouldn't be surprised if they turn out to be town. But I will say that if it were to get piled upon as the main reason then the wagon is probably being pushed further by scum (which, from my briefly skim, does not seem to be happening in this game).

Too lazy to make a reads list atm, will do later.

[Mohab500]

who the fuck is eva?

[HoldenGolden]

I mean, the reason is pretty garbage but town makes all kinds of random plays sometimes so I wouldn't be surprised if they turn out to be town. But I will say that if it were to get piled upon as the main reason then the wagon is probably being pushed further by scum (

which, from my briefly skim, does not seem to be happening in this game).

Too lazy to make a reads list atm, will do later.

That works for me. I look forward to the reads list.

who the fuck is eva?

The other head of the eevee hydra. One is names eve and the other is named eva.

[Raya36]

Idk if I can help clear anything up because ya know, wifom. My initial rvs vote on you was just for voting votato back. Not a big deal in rvs. But then when you supported porkens for voting votato as well and then invited others to join in the wagon I saw it as a good opportunity to call you out and get the game going


Slight townlean on snowblaze. I find scum tend not to open with a pile of reads.

I mean not really since it's over what you havent done.

I also disagree on snowblaze and actually

FoS

the readlist. I found most of the reads (pork, Ulmant, mohab, craig) non-committal or providing reasons to not fully trust in it (ulmant on chem for example). The only 3 committed reads there are a townlean on me and eevee and a town ping on you.

That's a good point

Snowblaze, do you think you could explain some of your reads?

[Fredrick A Campbell]

So, I make an RVS vote, then after RVS I remove it, and suddenly everybody somehow didn't expect that?

Exactly. I didn't expect that.

Hello musical composer.

Would you like to give opinions on the events of the game. Are you in favor for the main wagon so far? Who do you like better: eve or eva?

I am in favour of the main wagon. I like neither.

[HoldenGolden]

So, I make an RVS vote, then after RVS I remove it, and suddenly everybody somehow didn't expect that?

Exactly. I didn't expect that.

Hello musical composer.

Would you like to give opinions on the events of the game. Are you in favor for the main wagon so far? Who do you like better: eve or eva?

I am in favour of the main wagon. I like neither.

Would you like to explain the former? What do you like about it? If you favour it, what is making you decide not to vote it?

[Fredrick A Campbell]

So, I make an RVS vote, then after RVS I remove it, and suddenly everybody somehow didn't expect that?

Exactly. I didn't expect that.

Hello musical composer.

Would you like to give opinions on the events of the game. Are you in favor for the main wagon so far? Who do you like better: eve or eva?

I am in favour of the main wagon. I like neither.

Would you like to explain the former? What do you like about it? If you favour it, what is making you decide not to vote it?

I am fine with a wagon on Craig Pelton because of their posts.

I already am voting Craig Pelton. I started it.

[Snowblaze]

Idk if I can help clear anything up because ya know, wifom. My initial rvs vote on you was just for voting votato back. Not a big deal in rvs. But then when you supported porkens for voting votato as well and then invited others to join in the wagon I saw it as a good opportunity to call you out and get the game going


Slight townlean on snowblaze. I find scum tend not to open with a pile of reads.

I mean not really since it's over what you havent done.

I also disagree on snowblaze and actually

FoS

the readlist. I found most of the reads (pork, Ulmant, mohab, craig) non-committal or providing reasons to not fully trust in it (ulmant on chem for example). The only 3 committed reads there are a townlean on me and eevee and a town ping on you.

That's a good point

Snowblaze, do you think you could explain some of your reads?

I'm not really sure what more I can explain - that's about all I've got at the moment. It's less than 24 hours since the game started, I'm mostly going on instinct and vague impressions right now. (Plus I'm tired for some reason, so being lazy.)

[Umlaut]

Not really sure where Umlaut’s getting his townlean on Chemist from, but the other reads do make sense.

I can try and explain this.

60 is not an obvious read, talking about mechanics is as likely to be found scummy as towny, so it comes off to me like an actual gut feeling Chemist had and gut reads are not so easy to emulate as "logical" reads.

Also, 80 and 82 basically admitting to being biased by avatars feels town to me.

Chemist probably should vote though.

[Snowblaze]

Good, that makes sense. Have some town points!

[Craig Pelton]

Oh no, a wagon! Whatever shall I do? I have the strong impression that all of frederick, Holden, and homura are scum!

[Chemist1422]

Chemist probably should vote though.

?

[Eevee]

what's the goal here Craig? you trying to gauge reactions to these shenanigins? i guess we don't see our patterns until they are laid out in front of us

the snow tiger is usually unsure and paranoid early on but she doesn't usually have so many reads at the start so the early list is actually kinda scum-indicative for me based on meta

I am gonna ask a really dumb question but, can there be power roles in this game?

really doubling down on the dumbtelling huh - i don't like it

So, I make an RVS vote, then after RVS I remove it, and suddenly everybody somehow didn't expect that?

your original vote was for RVS - unvoting suggests you think we've left RVS and there's alignment-indicative stuff out there
if so why didn't you move it to someone else?

~Eve

[Umlaut]

Chemist probably should vote though.

?

In general, people should vote.

[Eevee]

Too lazy to make a reads list atm, will do later.

(Plus I'm tired for some reason, so being lazy.)

ah yes the classic lazy tell

i'm on to you buccaneers

~Eve

[Craig Pelton]

what's the goal here Craig?

I’m just trying to get you to notice me, Eve

[Craig Pelton]

you trying to gauge reactions to these shenanigins?

Also, this sounds like a good answer: I’ll take it!