Smuggler's Port [Game Over]

[Datisi]

yoink?

~

don't remember
right now
probably town

that's the opposite of what
it was before
can you elaborate

[Alisae]

yoink?

~

don't remember
right now
probably town

that's the opposite of what
it was before
can you elaborate

u started scumhunting
i like that

[NorwegianboyEE]

ok lets kill umlaut
VOTE: umlaut

Why Umlaut?

[Alisae]

notty vote bad
titus vote bad

[NorwegianboyEE]

Looks like the start of a decent wagon.
VOTE: Umlaut

[Alisae]

norwee what the fuck are you doing?

[NorwegianboyEE]

Sheeping u.

[Alisae]

do u even have reads

[NorwegianboyEE]

Damn, you giving me an existential crisis with that tone. What the FUCK am i doing? With my life?

[NorwegianboyEE]

I have reads but they are mostly gut. I think u are town tho.

[Alisae]

have you installed raid shadow legends and played through the tutorial yet?
That'll definitely help you for sure

[Alisae]

i think he went to go install raid shadow legends and play through the tutorial
im proud of him

[Titus]

Ali, what do you think of Umlaut being partners with notscience? Or do you think that notscience is town and username is wrong?

[Alisae]

notscience is town and username is wrong

^

[GuiltyLion]

ughhhh why do you all post so much over a holiday weekend (not that 4th of July is anything worth

celebrating

mind you but I did take the day off to do a quiet 3 day getaway in a hotel far from home)

reading up

[NorwegianboyEE]

ughhhh why do you all post so much over a holiday weekend

We're not all from the US here.

[GuiltyLion]

yes yes I know I know I'm only half complaining, I know I shouldn't

[GuiltyLion]

(1) I think you are
(2) I think a full half the game’s we’ve played have been non-traditional mafia setups and you opened like this in none of them
(3) okay, go ahead, link them
(4) I don’t think you would, I think you know mafia well enough to fake “conviction”
(5) alisae has done absolutely nothing indicating e’s town and honestly it’s weird that you’re not more paranoid that e’s hacking your “datisi feels weird” push if you’re town and not worrying about pocketing
(6) calling off a vibe that she feels off while ignoring that the person who’s played with her a shitload of times is saying she feels totally normal for early game

1)
2) Uhhh... that's not true at all? I don't think any of them were non-traditional other than Nomination and I was literally scum who replaced in on Day 2.
3) Sure!

So in Medical Meme mafia where everyone is some form of a doctor but they don't know which one, I opened by asking about claiming targets in advance and gave my thoughts in it in the next post. Less content than I had here, but that's because it was less of a variation on mafia, the point remains I opened talking about the unique aspect of the setup.

in Noughts and Crosses mafia, again, opened by talking about how ideal strat for town is to vote in the corners, and spent several posts arguing about this. I believe this it he game Umlaut referred to

in One Night Ultimate Werewolf, a super mechanics heavy game, my ISO speaks for itself

in Scumteam unpick first post and subsequent posts were mechanics focused.

5) I disagree with you about Alisae not doing anything to indicate town. I know this is now some 300 posts later and I may get to it myself as I read the game, but I'm curious as to whether you're now townreading Alisae and if so, whether that makes you see my early reasons for townreading as more valid. Further I don't know why you expect me to assume anyone who shares my scumreads is pocketing, that seems like a pretty bad way to play mafia when most players are town, building cohesion early is more productive IMO because it's more likely any given player is town with you.

6) It's fair that I should take your read into account as well, but it kinda felt to me like you just want to be right and were suspicious of myself/Alisae

more

than you actually thought Datisi was town, at least based on the (lack of) explanation you gave as to why you believed in town!Dats. If you can give tangible reasoning as to why Datisi is town (assuming I still want those by the time I'm fully caught up), I'd be willing to hear you out.

[GuiltyLion]

Alisae sees it. I'm not trying to make an argument that "can't be counter-argued", I'm just calling a vibe that feels off from someone I've played with as town a handful of times.

Okay. And how confident are you in that meta?

I vaguely remember you scumreading icon. Why? I dont think they even really posted anything outside of RVS

mostly because i started to form some townreads and not really any scumreads and gut

kind of to be expected with the ratios the way they are, I like the explanation, it's a believable thought process.

VOTE: maxwell

Saw it coming, tbh.

Why does notscience not knowing who username was make notscience more towny rather than less towny?

It's not that

the fact of not knowing that

is a town tell, it's that lying about not knowing it would be a hard scum tell and I'm saying I don't think he did that

I guess that doesn't actually make him town, so make that the strictly logical 'and' in my post: I think he's telling the truth

and

independently of that I get the sense he's town, though I can't point to anything strongly justifying that.

This feels like a backtrack and I don't like it.

This is a bad post

I'm not especially confident in my "meta" (if you can even call it that - I was more operating from a vibecheck perspective than like an actual Discerning Meta Analysis Thesis of how Datisi plays as either alignment), it's just the first impression I had and the first push I wanted to make. The question to me feels like a gotcha question rather than something maxwell is genuinely interested in, cause I think it should have been clear from how I was posting already roughly how 'confident' I was in it:

If I'm wrong I'll hope to figure it out over time, just scumhunt around me

To clarify it's not just a general 'excited to play!' thing but more specifically excitement at playing with several players in this game, including me

but idk we've prob pushed this point as far as we can go rn

[GuiltyLion]

you think scum!GL is more likely to backtrack there? also, i responded to you in 228, would you mind addressing that?

~

I guess really I mainly think scum!GL isn't

less

likely to backtrack so it's a bad reason to scumread me, but I also do think I'm slightly more likely to back down at first sign of conflict on something that I'm making up, especially since Menalque seems to consider himself supremely proficient at reading you

I didn't really see anything worth responding to in 228 frankly - yes the Moment one was the one that stood out as TMI. I didn't find your reasons for townreading Moment especially compelling - I guess it was rude to ask and not acknowledge you though, so I appreciate you giving me an answer

[GuiltyLion]

which games were these?

Nomination; GnR III; a newbie I’m pretty sure; normal 2119

I would consider both nomination and GnR to be weird setup games, although tbf he was scum in nomination

GnR is not a weird set up game. There's definitely no mechanics discussion to be had on Day 1

[Alisae]

norwee did not confirm or deny if he installed raid shadow legends and played the tutorial
this greatly upsets me

[NorwegianboyEE]

I'm sorry to disappoint, but i did not install Raid Shadow Legends and play the tutorial.

[Alisae]

this greatly upsets me

[Alisae]

i am so the youngins call it "malding" right now