Smuggler's Port [Game Over]

[maxwell]

S_S's intro is meh. I really really really dislike that he put all his effort into talking about mechanics with no commentary on anyone in the game when there's plenty of material to go off.

Hello, nice to meet you! I am sorry that you dislike that.

I caught up on my phone while on a car ride home from a vacation (don't freak out, I wasn't driving). I harbor no illusion about my ability to formulate, remember, and coherently express reads in such conditions (my ability to do so while catching up is dubious in the best of situations).

On the other hand, I can, and will, give detailed mechanical discussion without having a great sense of the game's history. In fact, if anything, this will serve as a jumping off point for engagement going forward. I can't say I'm surprised that you don't like it-- there's usually SOMEONE-- but I can assure you it is both in good faith and for the best.

All right but I'm running out of patience for the aimless durdling most people produce when commenting on the setup.

[Not Known 15]

Please do not forget the Ship Inspection part, there`s a lot more people voting for lynch than voting for ship inspections.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Just do as me. Give off no notions that i’d grant any wisdom regarding the setup or our best move forward whatsoever.
Ahh~ The freedom of letting other people do all the work.

[maxwell]

And yet you're actually voting for an inspection which is a fair step better than a majority of players in the game.

[Moment]

I don’t really see anything that jumps as town to me in the ISO, but I think the way [notscience] tried to pressure username only to back off when he realised who it was/that it wasn’t gonna go as anticipated is scummy

I disagree. To me, both notscience and username came away from that interaction looking townier. Notscience's trajectory of scumreading what he perceived as faked anger into asking others to vote with him into apologizing after realizing who username is does not in any way resemble a scum plan to me.

I think that in general scum plan things less than people think they do, but let's say that notscience did plan a push on username. If he were scum, why would he back down upon username giving his real identity? If notscience's plan was to push him for "faked anger", I don't think that the reveal of the identity would have changed anything. It makes more sense to me viewed as notscience realizing that the anger really isn't forced given the knowledge of username's true identity.

As for why username came off of it townier I won't go too deep into it, although I will say that I think 349 is a somewhat towny post. I'm sort of projecting my own experiences there – personally as town I've had it multiple times where people have accused me of something and I just think "Really? You think that I would do

that

as scum?", whereas I think scum would have a different reaction.


Umlaut's calling this post "much better reasoned" does him no favors in my eyes, especially considering that this post is more of an assertion than a line of reasoning.

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But, until I get more experience with you, it also means that I can't trust myself to determine whether you're doing scummy things because you're Town being weird, or Scum using that as a shield.

Not being able to read me is fine, but does it not make more sense to default to assuming I’m town than assuming I’m scum given that there is a much higher mathematical chance of that in any given game?

Bleh.

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I'm getting scum vibes here. Like "Oh darn, it sure is a shame I rolled TOWN and not scum, because I'm TOWN, and also I should mention I'm TOWN!"
I also found the rest of their posts to be largely fluff with no real conviction.

It's funny you should call my posts fluff, because I've done basically nothing except talk about the game. With the exception of a single tangent to illustrate a point, I think I've talked pretty much exclusively about reads.

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Looking at 469, I'm beginning to understand people's scumreads on Datisi.

[Moment]

Please understand that I don't mean it in an offensive manner when I say that Datisi's understanding of posts seems somewhat off. A lot of the questions in 469 such as the Donnie Brasco, 14/17, and other questions to Alisae seem a lot like just basic matter of comprehension. Again, not trying to be condescending or anything, moreso trying to make a point that I think has already been made somewhere about cognitive load and how scum have a harder time with it. Datisi even explicitly said that he figured out the joke behind 14/17, and then asks whether or not it was a joke anyways in 469.

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I don't like EE being wagoned here. He's not defensive enough to be scum IMO. It's a meta read which is blah but it's better than most anything else on day 1.

Inquiring minds want to know – what exactly is your read history with Norwegian? Do you consistently read him correctly?

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Maki's posts starting from 507 I quite like. Perhaps she's finally town? I suppose my revenge must wait for another day.

[Moment]

Scattered thoughts:
I think we all agree Menalque is town.

I think not.

I think there's a high probability there is at least one smuggler in those who haven't posted since NK15 outed. (Which is six players so that's not a hugely impressive deduction I guess)

Why? Is there something causal about not posting since NK15 posted and being scum, or is this just a comment on the specific people who make up that group?

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Townreads, strongest to weakest:
{Titus, Maki Harukawa, username, notscience, maxwell}
{Alisae, Hel}
{Radical Rat}

Vote: Umalut

[Moment]

Townreads, strongest to weakest:
{Titus, Maki Harukawa, username, notscience, maxwell}
{Alisae, Hel}
{Radical Rat}

I suppose I should mention that this leaves only {GuiltyLion, SS, Datisi, Menalque, Iconeum, Umlaut, Norwegian}. Of the seven, I think scum is most likely in {Datisi, Menalque, Umalut, Norwegian}, although obviously I recognize that that's just taking out the people who haven't posted much. (With the exception of GL, whose posts around page 28 are fairly good).

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Taking out all the fluff

So you admit to fluffposting?

Spoiler: :thonk:

this is incredibly petty but: FakeGod, my name takes a capital at the start, if you wouldn’t mind for future VCs

Jeez, at least your name was spelled right. Have some gratitude ya snob.

Fun fact, i've got a folder of anime girl reaction pics too. But i've never had the guts to do the gimmick in a mafia game yet.

This game has too many weebs already, if i go all out here then people might start puking rainbows.
I'll try to restrain myself...

These spambots are getting quite advanced.

oh, can i add character images to my posts too?

No.

Whichever corrupt officials are bringing illegal goods in our perfectly legitimate copper business need to pay in blood. Now excuse me while i prepare myself some Earl Grey tea. It’s the finest.

I will always and forever, regardless of alignment or even in MD, have nothing but contempt from the very bowels of the most ragefilled hell for "shitposting meta" in games

Aw boo hoo.

No way i'm listening to the plan of some no good no-avatar hooligan. NO SIR-E-BOB!

LeTs UsE aS mUcH aS tHe DeAdLiNe As PoSsiBlE.
We HaVe To UsE aLl Of ThE tImE GiVeN tO uS tO mAkE tHe BeSt DeCiSsIoN pOsSiBlE.

You're my spirit animal.

In fact,
Here @NK15

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... &start=125

Go get yourself an anime avatar UwU.

is backing the terrible “clowned” replacement option,

Ew

Only i should be allowed to use that term.

I need to think more.

I'm starting to question why i signed up to a game that requires thinking.

Only cowards care about what pedits say.

(Also i’m phone posting so that really makes me care even less)
RAW UNFILTERED UNCENSORED NORWEE Right here, right now.

norwee can you respond to my 603 pretty please?

Just going to put this interaction in the back pocket for now.

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Everyone fluffposts, there's no reason not to admit to it, and there's nothing suspicious about admitting to it especially when it's as obvious as it is in Hel's case.

Take that back. I've never made a fluffpost in my life, and I don't even know what jokes are. I won't stand for this kind of accusation.

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Maki did have a point and I’m already at 125 posts

who cares

It matters. This game isn't moving at the breakneck pace that I've had to deal with before, but post count is a real consideration, and one that often goes ignored. To be fair, I think that in this game it matters less given that the game is ending earlier than normal one way or another, but still.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Take that back. I've never made a fluffpost in my life, and I don't even know what jokes are.

Maybe that's why you scumread me.

[Moment]

I saw people voting for a "clown" and I guess I just couldn't see a better option.

[Alisae]

ok
why are people reading maki as town
i'm not sure I should be going that far atm, I kind of want a bit more from her

[NorwegianboyEE]

I saw people voting for a "clown" and I guess I just couldn't see a better option.

My avatar may be clownpiece, an hell fairy subordinate to the Goddess of Hell. But that's no reason to discriminate!

[Alisae]

I saw people voting for a "clown" and I guess I just couldn't see a better option.

My avatar may be clownpiece, an hell fairy subordinate to the Goddess of Hell. But that's no reason to discriminate!

[NorwegianboyEE]

Thanks.

[Hel]

VoteCount 1.9

NorwegianboyEE [2] - Hel, Moment

I am shipping...

Wheat

[3] - Datisi, Hel, Moment

Let's Inspect...

Copper

[2] - Hel, Moment

[Hel]

@notscience: Norwee's not towntold in any way yet. I've got a reliable-ish way of reading him nowadays. Outside of that I guess it's tone, and the way he attacked me felt kinda fabricated.

I like GuiltyLion's recent posts and want to jester him less than before.

[Hel]

Why do you townread me GL?

I like all of your reads and pushes holistically, especially that one where you gave reads on all the players you've played with, I feel like you're seeing the game the same way I am and I don't smell any bs in your pushes

I didn't like this though.

Titus

Alisae

Maki Harukawa

username
Moment

GuiltyLion

Something_Smart

Datisi

Not Known 15

maxwell

Menalque

Hel
Iconeum
Radical Rat
notscience

Umlaut

So these are my current thoughts.
Green: Player i am familiar with that i townread.
Yellow: Player i'm familiar with that i do not currently townread.

This doesn't even have reasons attached. How can you "especially like" it?

[NorwegianboyEE]

I've got a reliable-ish way of reading him nowadays.

And how am i supposed to take this when i don't know who you are? Meta reading me but i can't meta read you? What is this unfair advantage?

[Hel]

True, I guess I shouldn't talk about meta if I'm alting. Too late now though.

[NorwegianboyEE]

The fact that you bring up my meta as a reason for scumreading me, but don’t specifically explain what experience you have to make this read makes for an entirely meaningless argument.

[NorwegianboyEE]

You can say you don’t see any reason to townread me, i get it. But don’t being up this "he’s not playing to his town meta" shaite unless you’ve got specific examples of my towngames and how i’m deviating from it.

[Hel]

notscience asked why and I explained. The meta side isn't gonna sell him ofc but it's part of the reason why my vote is on you. Transparency and all that.

Let's talk about something else then. How do you feel about a Tomboy Daughter being in [Something_Smart, Radical Rat, Iconeum]?

[Iconeum]

VOTE: Iconeum

OMGUS

[NorwegianboyEE]

I don’t intend to talk about the Tomboy Daughter at all unless it’s intended to obscure their identity from scum.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I think i know who you are Hel, but i won’t guess since i assume you want it to remain hidden.