Micro 952 - The Coalition: ItGBSMoD [game over!]

[Deimos27]

Klick, sorry if I missed it, do you still feel Koba/Chemist scum?

[Deimos27]

Well I take it you prefer Pooky/Sleeper now, but what changed your mind?

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

That seems like a sensible response
With my endorsement he goes from 'a distraction' to 'viable coalition member'

'So when nobody was townreading him - he decided he didn't want to be on the coalition (Which btw he can't be because nobody is townreading him)

and when a leading member of the town began townreading him - he decided he did want to be on the coalition (which btw is now possible because he's being townread)


And that's your basis for why this guy is absolutely definitely town? Like are we even being serious here?

[Klick]

Koba/Chemist is likely town. It's a read I've struggled to nail down, but Chemist's posts have been really good so far. When I voted Koba it was largely because I didn't understand their play post-coalition and was struggling to find a scumread within a bunch of townreads. But Chemist has been towny, and there is a lot of stuff in Koba's play that made me townread them in the first place.

[Klick]

Clover was in like 2-3 people's coalitions at the time they opted out - it was very much a 'maybe' in terms of whether he'd make it in. Some people had recently taken him out, but I had also just said I was likely to put him in my coalition.

[Deimos27]

I think Pooky execution has promise but I'ma just wait and see how others enter this gamestate for now.

[Chemist1422]

I'm around but very tired and don't know how to process pooky's posts tbh

[Klick]

My best guesses are Pooky/Wug and Pooky realises he's doomed in the current gamestate, or possibly Pooky/Sleeper because this would be particularly bad for them

[Chemist1422]

I'm not that confident on pooky? I think he is bringing up some solid points

I still wanna go sleeper though then maybe pooky if I'm wrong there

Could also be convinced to go for Aldusk

[Klick]

I think Pooky is working from a starting point of 'Clover can't be townread' and is making his argument from that perspective.

There is a plausible reason for him to be doing that as town. But I find it more likely that he's scum who needs Clover available as a mis-execute.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

if I'm scum who needs a mis-execute why wouldn't I just hammer koba at L-1 instead of defending him and trying to get you off him?

[SleeperSoul]

I think pooky's right about clover. Not sure what I can do to be townread this game. Considering most people seem to be suspecting Pooky and/or me, this game seems pretty doomed.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

it's alright

we'll win next time sleeper. keep your chin up

[Klick]

if I'm scum who needs a mis-execute why wouldn't I just hammer koba at L-1 instead of defending them and trying to get you off them?

You know sometimes people say they don't want something in order to get it right?

C'mon, you're better than this.
Koba was under legitimate threat of being lynched before they replaced out. Scum!Pooky is thrilled to let Koba die without his support.
But then Chemist comes in and the pressure seals off on the slot. That's when you would realise that you're running out of mis-executes.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

oh so when I'm telling you guys not to lynch koba because I think he's town it's really because I'm scum and trying to get him lynched?

[Klick]

I mean, you should see that as a valid argument considering you used the logic yourself?

You and Clover are different people with different playstyles

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

well you seem to think the logic only applies to me and not to clover lol

[Klick]

The conditions were different as well

Momentum was swinging pretty heavily towards Koba AND the consequences of Koba failing to get lynched aren't literally your scum team losing the game

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

so when I do something like defend koba it's because I'm cunning scum

when clover does something it's because he's this cherubic noob who's definitely town

why are we even wasting time talking

[Klick]

So you concede that the logic is valid?

So whenyou posted this:

if I'm scum who needs a mis-execute why wouldn't I just hammer koba at L-1 instead of defending him and trying to get you off him?

You already knew the answer to this and were just asking it to try and get us off your ass?

[Klick]

I'm still talking to figure out if you're scum and I'm leaning more towards that with every post

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

no because you're making it sound like I'm going all in on Clover cuz I need 1 mis-execute to win the game or some bullshit

[Wug]

ok klick i'm reading your case

This was the first post that really got me thinking Clover was town. I know this one will be a stretch for some people, but I doubt this bewilderment comes from scum. I also don't think scum cares enough to talk about this/gains anything from talking about this. Clover is just curious, and I think that comes from a towny place.

you are correct
(about it being a stretch)

Clover comes in and has no idea what's going on. He's not getting constant updates from a scum PT. Unless his partner was literally bugspray then I don't see these blank posts happening in quite the same way.

i don't think this is a town tell

What kind of nonsense scum tactic would it be for Clover to play the way he has up to this point and then make this sort of cocky comment with hardly anyone townreading him? I think it's much more plausible for Clover to be town and believing what he's saying here.

i don't think it's hard for scum to make that comment

Look at the game climate at this point. I'm mildly advocating for Clover being in the coalition, some others have expressed very light townreads there but nothing too serious. Clover!scum's Master Play is to... remove himself from contention. You'd have to assume his partner is extremely comfortable for this to even be a net neutral play (so basically just myself or Sleeper). For any other pairing, in most circumstances this is actively harmful to a scum wincon.
Meanwhile, while I think it's misguided as a town play, I can clearly see why Clover thought it would be useful to bow out of contention.

this makes sense but it would make more sense if he didn't end up in the coalition anyway

[Wug]

i'm not voting sleeper today

could vote pooky if i have to

otherwise staying on clover

[Deimos27]

No takers for Sleeper?
Interesting