Newbie 2014: Aesthetic | Game Over

[keyenpeydee]

Vote count 3.01

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[5] Not Voting

- Nash, Town looter, Mikul, LicketyQuickety, votato

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alive, it takes

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to lynch. Day Three will end in

(expired on 2020-07-13 00:00:00)

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#AllBlackLivesMatter

[LicketyQuickety]

@Mod, you don't make any sense.

[Mikul]

If I lose us this game I apologize in advance. Without results and outing prs so early and the early innactivity and replacements has made this very hard to deal with and read properly. That being said I don't think tl is scum. The way that he reacted to what he thought was a scum slip seemed town and if he is scum then good game

I rbed quick and votato once.

[Mikul]

VOTE: nash

By sheer Poe and probability with who've I've been blocking. If I'm wrong , I'm wrong. I just don't feel like re analyzing the game and trying to figure out multi alot motivations

[LicketyQuickety]

If I lose us this game I apologize in advance. Without results and outing prs so early and the early innactivity and replacements has made this very hard to deal with and read properly. That being said I don't think tl is scum. The way that he reacted to what he thought was a scum slip seemed town and if he is scum then good game

I rbed quick and votato once.

Bro, if you were not confirmed Town, I would probably SR this post.

[LicketyQuickety]

Nash hasn't really been on my radar and IDRK why. I think that slot has pretty much just lurked all game and just done nothing else. Mikul has an okay point on Tl, but I still think that just makes votato slot Scum. I haven't checked super closely, but given Nash has lurked so much, I can totally see Nash/votato as Scum team.

[LicketyQuickety]

I think it's pretty clear at least one of TL/votato is Scum. I think TL has made some posts that are hard(er) to fake as Scum, so that leaves me thinking votato is Scum. So Scum are in those three between TL/votato/nash. I really think the way votato dropped off means he's Scum since he doesn't actually have legit reasons for why I am Scum and can't defend that position.

here is a three-person PoE that does not include anthony.

and you think im more aggressive in this game than youve seen before or less?

ok. VOTE: ydrasse

ydrasse, it sucks for you, but you repped into a scummy slot and PoE was going this direction no matter what.

i think i was the main person deflecting from looter, so saying that it was scum resisting that wagon isnt gonna get you very far, at least with me.

Then he got banned. I will go back and look again for anything that looks like a Non-Associative with votato and Nash.

[Mikul]

Nash hasn't really been on my radar and IDRK why. I think that slot has pretty much just lurked all game and just done nothing else. Mikul has an okay point on Tl, but I still think that just makes votato slot Scum. I haven't checked super closely, but given Nash has lurked so much, I can totally see Nash/votato as Scum team.

If tl is scum he wins. I read that post about the scum slip as geninue excitement.

To clarify I'm normally alot more into games than I am with this one but the force out of the prs on dp2 changes the dynamics to the game because it's functioning as vanilla vs vanilla which can be fine. But with the 4 or 5 replacements in this game , it's really hard to look at motivation by each slot and the replacement of that slot in any meaningful way especially when we know who the nk targets are

This is strictly Poe. In my mind tl is town and if I'm wrong , I'll own it. Just that post seemed to geninue to be scum. So in at a 66 percent chance.

I rbed you and it didn't stop the nk.

So if you are scum, then I would imagine votato is town the way you are pushing him

And if you are town and votato is scum, then based on my read if tl.


I won't shake that read from tl, so if I'm wrong at this point we lose and I accept it. Just been to much if a cluster with the replacements and the prs being outted so early

[Mikul]

Based in my read if tl , Nash is scum

Either way Nash would be scum in the scenario within my mind.

Either he is scum with you and your pushing votato

Or your town and pushing votato and he's scum with votato.

If you town read tl then Nash has to be scum

[Mikul]

If I were betting , I think it's Nash and votato. Not because of his post but ironically by poe and I quite well could be wrong. If Nash is scum , If I make into the next dp alive I'll spend a lot more time reading into the isos of the last 2 or 3. I really doubt that will happen unless I stop the nk

[LicketyQuickety]

I found like one thing that is even remotely close to being a Non-Associative between votato/Nash. I will not actually link the post because I don't want to give this metric away yet, but it doesn't completely fulfil my criteria for a Non-Associative so whatever. Still, I would say it's maybe better than nothing, but Nash has something really similar with my slot as well, so IDK.

I guess I will just trust you on Tl at this point since you aren't budging there anyways.

[Mikul]

I found like one thing that is even remotely close to being a Non-Associative between votato/Nash. I will not actually link the post because I don't want to give this metric away yet, but it doesn't completely fulfil my criteria for a Non-Associative so whatever. Still, I would say it's maybe better than nothing, but Nash has something really similar with my slot as well, so IDK.

I guess I will just trust you on Tl at this point since you aren't budging there anyways.

You don't have to trust me. I could be entirely wrong. I've often been wrong. I just picked his post as geninue excitement about what he thought was a scum slip and if I'm wrong then we've already lost. I won't be able to break away from that

So the second I townread him (in my mind )

Nash has to be scum

[LicketyQuickety]

I found like one thing that is even remotely close to being a Non-Associative between votato/Nash. I will not actually link the post because I don't want to give this metric away yet, but it doesn't completely fulfil my criteria for a Non-Associative so whatever. Still, I would say it's maybe better than nothing, but Nash has something really similar with my slot as well, so IDK.

I guess I will just trust you on Tl at this point since you aren't budging there anyways.

You don't have to trust me. I could be entirely wrong. I've often been wrong. I just picked his post as geninue excitement about what he thought was a scum slip and if I'm wrong then we've already lost. I won't be able to break away from that

So the second I townread him (in my mind )

Nash has to be scum

Well, It's not like Nash is going to self hammer (but he might), and I kinda want to hear from everyone before throwing a vote down there. Too much left in the air if we go into Elo and not everyone posted the previous Elo.

[Nash]

You are wrong, because I'm town and you should unvote.
You read TL way too quickly, and scum is bound to finish me off with two more votes.

I'll believe my gut and say LQ is town based on my read on brass, which would imply the scum team of TL and votato. The second most likely pair would be votato and LQ, judging by their interactions and unnatural scum theatre.

Votato is most likely scum.

VOTE: votato

[LicketyQuickety]

judging by their interactions and unnatural scum theatre.

This makes no sense. I am pretty sure I have brought serious accusations against votato. How are you saying that is Scum theatre?

[Nash]

Spoiler:

Guess mafsepia is out.

VOTE: votato

to the newbies: welcome! I don't recognize any of you, so I'm assuming we have some first timers. A few tips: this is mafia, people are going to accuse you of being a liar and a cheat. It's gonna feel bad. The sooner you can get used to it the better for you. People are also going to attack you for what you say. As a member of the town, you should be sharing your thoughts anyway, and with time you will learn how to share your thoughts without getting attacked.
You should take some time to carefully read the above posts and familiarize yourself with some of the jargon and guides, especially if you have no mafia experience or no experience with forum mafia. The SEs are here to offer help, but do not take our word as law. I think even if we are scum none of us would tell lies that would confuse you or make you bad players, but there is a decent chance that at least one of us is scum and will lie to you about some things. That said, you shouldn't hesitate to ask questions of each other and if the SEs. The two other SEs are a lot more experienced than i.

To everyone, but especially the SEs: please view this post as nai. Again to the newbies: don't assume that just because I'm trying to be helpful that im a townie. Is make this post a scum too.


VOTE: brass omgus

@Mikul Alright, I do agree this game is a little too quiet. Spam away I guess.
@looter Same question as votato, why would you lynch me?

Partly a reaction test, partly because your posts could be newbie-cum-scum - your posts have a feeling of anxiety in them, you seem to want to make sure you fit in and say the right thing. My question of Brassherald was semi-serious as I am still fairly inexperienced and wanted to see if your two posts were worth caring about.

Underlined the bits I think come across as anxious:

Tbh Mikul has about 60% of the posts so far, slow it down please. Can't keep up!
VOTE: Mikul

I know this is a dodgy tactic but I promise to unvote

if you slow down...

Wait, I can't do that, we're still in the RVS.

Literally just realised that's the third vote on Mikul. Better UNVOTE: Mikul

VOTE: Anthony, because there can only be one A-man...

VOTE: Town looter You've stated you want to lynch me without reason, and also voted Mikul pretty early in the game over metareading.

Also you've stated you'll be lurking the whole game.

Loads of anti-town plays that scum would do.

FoS: Town looter

Waaaaiiiit. Missed underlined in first skim.

Any reason you are paraphrasing what is fairly obviously a joke so critically?

Did you learn anything from the reaction test? This is good reasoning otherwise. In particular the nervous unvote usually comes from scum and scum have a hard time picking up on jokes. VOTE: arthur

Fos brass for that defense

Sorry I didn't vote when I posted my last message, this is my first forum game and I honestly wasn't sure if voting before discussion about our thoughts was normal (I saw someone else use FoS without voting before so I wasn't sure). I was ready then and I'm ready now to L-1 Arthur for the reasons I posted before. Isn't it normal for people to claim when they get down to L-2/L-1? He just threw a tantrum.

VOTE: ArthurConyl L-1

don't care for this all that much. Still better than brass' vote

yeah both anthony and brass really didnt do any scumhunting yesterday. brass was active lurking and LAMISTing pretty hard.

VOTE: anthony

2 scum are within Anthony, vex, townlooter and brassherald.

and id remove townlooter from that PoE i think. i think.

i still think looter is likely town. Im fine voting either brass or Anthony. I feel that claiming was a bit silly, you were both already town. Oh well. Dunno why everyone is ignoring vexossa. Definite room for a lurky scum there

I think brass is a good option here

ok i gues ill defer to mikul and lunatic since they were both in that game with you and know you better. but i still think brass is the best lynch today.

Im ready to lynch brass

Outside of RVS, votato never placed his vote on brass, inspite of having him under his radar for almost the entire Day. I can see a lot of subtle shading, but none actually look genuine.

You vote votato for his unvote and then throw more shade at him for pushing Anthony, which you say could have come from town!votato. The read based off of one unvote does not feel sincere at that stage, after which you proceed to fencesit. Votato's 380 was not good, because the continued refusal was what made brass look town to me. Neither of your meta reads are good. 461 and 462 just don't make sense.

It makes perfect sense to have some scum theatrics there since neither of you really had any traction to be eliminated.

[LicketyQuickety]

Spoiler:

Guess mafsepia is out.

VOTE: votato

to the newbies: welcome! I don't recognize any of you, so I'm assuming we have some first timers. A few tips: this is mafia, people are going to accuse you of being a liar and a cheat. It's gonna feel bad. The sooner you can get used to it the better for you. People are also going to attack you for what you say. As a member of the town, you should be sharing your thoughts anyway, and with time you will learn how to share your thoughts without getting attacked.
You should take some time to carefully read the above posts and familiarize yourself with some of the jargon and guides, especially if you have no mafia experience or no experience with forum mafia. The SEs are here to offer help, but do not take our word as law. I think even if we are scum none of us would tell lies that would confuse you or make you bad players, but there is a decent chance that at least one of us is scum and will lie to you about some things. That said, you shouldn't hesitate to ask questions of each other and if the SEs. The two other SEs are a lot more experienced than i.

To everyone, but especially the SEs: please view this post as nai. Again to the newbies: don't assume that just because I'm trying to be helpful that im a townie. Is make this post a scum too.


VOTE: brass omgus

@Mikul Alright, I do agree this game is a little too quiet. Spam away I guess.
@looter Same question as votato, why would you lynch me?

Partly a reaction test, partly because your posts could be newbie-cum-scum - your posts have a feeling of anxiety in them, you seem to want to make sure you fit in and say the right thing. My question of Brassherald was semi-serious as I am still fairly inexperienced and wanted to see if your two posts were worth caring about.

Underlined the bits I think come across as anxious:

Tbh Mikul has about 60% of the posts so far, slow it down please. Can't keep up!
VOTE: Mikul

I know this is a dodgy tactic but I promise to unvote

if you slow down...

Wait, I can't do that, we're still in the RVS.

Literally just realised that's the third vote on Mikul. Better UNVOTE: Mikul

VOTE: Anthony, because there can only be one A-man...

VOTE: Town looter You've stated you want to lynch me without reason, and also voted Mikul pretty early in the game over metareading.

Also you've stated you'll be lurking the whole game.

Loads of anti-town plays that scum would do.

FoS: Town looter

Waaaaiiiit. Missed underlined in first skim.

Any reason you are paraphrasing what is fairly obviously a joke so critically?

Did you learn anything from the reaction test? This is good reasoning otherwise. In particular the nervous unvote usually comes from scum and scum have a hard time picking up on jokes. VOTE: arthur

Fos brass for that defense

Sorry I didn't vote when I posted my last message, this is my first forum game and I honestly wasn't sure if voting before discussion about our thoughts was normal (I saw someone else use FoS without voting before so I wasn't sure). I was ready then and I'm ready now to L-1 Arthur for the reasons I posted before. Isn't it normal for people to claim when they get down to L-2/L-1? He just threw a tantrum.

VOTE: ArthurConyl L-1

don't care for this all that much. Still better than brass' vote

yeah both anthony and brass really didnt do any scumhunting yesterday. brass was active lurking and LAMISTing pretty hard.

VOTE: anthony

2 scum are within Anthony, vex, townlooter and brassherald.

and id remove townlooter from that PoE i think. i think.

i still think looter is likely town. Im fine voting either brass or Anthony. I feel that claiming was a bit silly, you were both already town. Oh well. Dunno why everyone is ignoring vexossa. Definite room for a lurky scum there

I think brass is a good option here

ok i gues ill defer to mikul and lunatic since they were both in that game with you and know you better. but i still think brass is the best lynch today.

Im ready to lynch brass

Outside of RVS, votato never placed his vote on brass, inspite of having him under his radar for almost the entire Day. I can see a lot of subtle shading, but none actually look genuine.

You vote votato for his unvote and then throw more shade at him for pushing Anthony, which you say could have come from town!votato. The read based off of one unvote does not feel sincere at that stage, after which you proceed to fencesit. Votato's 380 was not good, because the continued refusal was what made brass look town to me. Neither of your meta reads are good. 461 and 462 just don't make sense.

It makes perfect sense to have some scum theatrics there since neither of you really had any traction to be eliminated.

Except I have never had votato as Town. And I kept saying votato's arguments were weak because they were. I also completely demolished his reasons for SRing me so much that he couldn't rightly vote me anymore. I think he knew he was in a tunnel on Town and gave up the ghost because it wasn't gaining any traction cuz he knew what he was saying was off.

[keyenpeydee]

Oh omg, I didn't know votato was banned. Replacing him now!

[LicketyQuickety]

Oh omg, I didn't know votato was banned. Replacing him now!

[Town looter]

My reads from yesterday haven't changed a lot. Based on Ydrasse flip I am inclined to think votato is scum with Nash. With LQ town.

votato has just pumped out a whole lot of null, which I suspect is how he has been so successful as scum. It needs more analysis but my working theory is he has just floated along gently prodding things in the scum-win direction (not that they have needed to put in much effort on this front).

[keyenpeydee]

Micc replaces votato! Welcome! I'm really sorry about that again lol.

[Micc]

ok so Elo with votes already in play.

I'm taking mikul to be an un-cc'd jailkeeper by the posts on this page. someone correct me if I'm wrong.

[Micc]

so I'm town. we can play the hammer testing game or I can read the game, but preferably not both at once.

and I'm going to start reading the game, so please unvote

[Micc]

I skimmed through the pages and realised that post 27 wasn't perceived well.

Nice to meet yall!! I know we can't stay friendly forever,

but not having to choose a solid vote is pretty calming.

The dice say Vote: mutesa1

nothing against you m8 just had to do something..

It's pretty obvious that the alignment known to have a problem with choosing a solid vote and urge to

do something

is the mafia, and any sane player would know this. To think that scum!Vexo typed that down and didn't feel even a tiny urge to scrutinise is a stretch, don't you think? I know for a fact that this slot is town and I can assure you that this is an authentic

case of TStBS

. Normally I wouldn't adopt a defensive tone like this, but we will lose both of our PRs with no extra information if we carry out a mislynch (assuming no CCs - A1).

Obviously the best move for scum at the moment would be to join the Nash wagon, and I'm confident that there's scum in {Town Looter, brassherald, ArthurConyl}.
Based on vote progression alone, I'll go for Town Looter for now. I can spot a scum agenda there.

I'm fairly convinced that votato is town.

If any of you have cases on one of the three, I'm all ears.

can you explain where this read came from and what changed to get to the point you're voting this slot now?

[Micc]

I kind of want to Gambit this game

I want to Lynch Anthony and if he flips scum it basically confirms herald. I don't think he would bus him what that read scum

If Anthony flips town we lynch herald no matter what.

And hope that Poe works

best I can tell Anthony (Ydrasse) was eliminated, but you're now voting Nash and not brassherald (LQ).

can you fill me in on what changed for you?