Newbie 2014: Aesthetic | Game Over

[Nash]

Oh yeah duh. I knew that and then promptly forgot about it because your perspective is not my perspective.

Really? You forgot because you know you are scum with LQ.

I mean, that is an example of my perspective not being the same as yours. It’s not the right example, but it is an example. This post kinda only serves the purpose of throwing shade at me tho. There’s no other purpose right?

You agree that I'm forced into that vote so you know my perspective, yet you ask me why I voted? That's weird.
I'm 99% sure you both are scum now.

[keyenpeydee]

Vote count 3.02

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[1] Nash

- Mikul,

[1] LicketyQuickety

- Nash

[3] Not Voting

- Town looter, LicketyQuickety, Micc

MOD NOTES

: Fixed the vote count. I forgot to change the hammer. I'm really sorry for messing up things, I'm not in the right head space right now. Good luck!
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#AllBlackLivesMatter

[LicketyQuickety]

Also, I must not have read closely enough because I never saw the cop claim.

what was the purpose of this post?

IDK. I didn't see that there was a Cop claim. That seemed like an important detail I missed, but I honestly can't remember why it mattered.

[LicketyQuickety]

[/V]Nash[/V]

Don't really want to do this 1v1, but I'd rather do it with Nash than Tl I think.

[LicketyQuickety]

VOTE: Nash

[Micc]

Not hammering.

Also, I must not have read closely enough because I never saw the cop claim.

what was the purpose of this post?

IDK. I didn't see that there was a Cop claim. That seemed like an important detail I missed, but I honestly can't remember why it mattered.

It’s a really weird post for you to make in the context of both PRs already having been revealed, something you did acknowledge prior to this post.

I understand what lunatic/mikul/votato we’re going for with the reaction test of pushing Ydrasse for a claim, but the cat was already out of the bag by the time you posted. So I’m left with the explanation that you just forgot what the game state was? You’re fairly invested into the game by this point so I have a hard time buying that.

[LicketyQuickety]

Not hammering.

Also, I must not have read closely enough because I never saw the cop claim.

what was the purpose of this post?

IDK. I didn't see that there was a Cop claim. That seemed like an important detail I missed, but I honestly can't remember why it mattered.

It’s a really weird post for you to make in the context of both PRs already having been revealed, something you did acknowledge prior to this post.

I understand what lunatic/mikul/votato we’re going for with the reaction test of pushing Ydrasse for a claim, but the cat was already out of the bag by the time you posted. So I’m left with the explanation that you just forgot what the game state was? You’re fairly invested into the game by this point so I have a hard time buying that.

Because claiming cop would have been something I would have pressured.

[Micc]

Does it follow then that you not pushing the cop claim means you realized the whole thing was a farce right after?

[LicketyQuickety]

Does it follow then that you not pushing the cop claim means you realized the whole thing was a farce right after?

Yeah. When it was explained it made sense.

[Micc]

I kinda want to take the whole exchange as genuine town confusion from you. I think as mafia you’d have a more solid understanding of the game state, and even in a point of confusion, you’d have expressed in the mafia PT instead of the thread.

I’m not ready to bet the game on this read, but it’s where I’m at right now.

[LicketyQuickety]

I kinda want to take the whole exchange as genuine town confusion from you. I think as mafia you’d have a more solid understanding of the game state, and even in a point of confusion, you’d have expressed in the mafia PT instead of the thread.

I’m not ready to bet the game on this read, but it’s where I’m at right now.

I mean, it's basically we lose the game if Nash is Town and we know JK is getting killed unless Nash is RB. Not really sure what else to say here.

[LicketyQuickety]

Like, Micc, why don't you want to vote Nash at this point? There's literally zero reason not to.

[Micc]

You bring up a good point. Presuming Nash is mafia, TL shouldn’t hammer until Mikul claims a jailkeep target for the night. If Nash flips RB then Mikul’s jailkeep target is confirmed town even if Mikul dies. If Nash flips goon then the jailkeep target is irrelevant.

On the flip side, we’re headed to the stage where Nash is confirmed to be mafia. Another path to consider is that we agree who Nash’s partner is today while we have Mikul’s input and commit to that elimination for tomorrow. That’s the road I’m going down by questioning you. Do you want to talk about a Micc/LQ/TL final three now or not?

Predit: this post explains that I hope. TLDR: not giving mikul a chance to claim a target or weigh in on final three is basically slapping confirmed town in the face and I’m not gunna do that

[LicketyQuickety]

You bring up a good point. Presuming Nash is mafia, TL shouldn’t hammer until Mikul claims a jailkeep target for the night. If Nash flips RB then Mikul’s jailkeep target is confirmed town even if Mikul dies. If Nash flips goon then the jailkeep target is irrelevant.

On the flip side, we’re headed to the stage where Nash is confirmed to be mafia. Another path to consider is that we agree who Nash’s partner is today while we have Mikul’s input and commit to that elimination for tomorrow. That’s the road I’m going down by questioning you. Do you want to talk about a Micc/LQ/TL final three now or not?

Predit: this post explains that I hope. TLDR: not giving mikul a chance to claim a target or weigh in on final three is basically slapping confirmed town in the face and I’m not gunna do that

Nash has one vote afaik. I'm just pointing out that it doesn't really make any sense for you not to vote there.

Given the above, I am not really sure who I would vote at this point if it was Tl and you. I'm not going to just arbitrarily pick one either. I'll try and ISO nash + your pred + Tl to inform me on that, but I already kinda found that it's totally possible that Nash is teamed with you with one post offering a slight hesitation. I haven't checked for Tl I don't think, but will do that now.

[Micc]

Mikul and you are voting Nash. My vote would be a hammer

[LicketyQuickety]

Mikul and you are voting Nash. My vote would be a hammer

Fair enough.

[LicketyQuickety]

I'm fairly certain that the Scum team is Nash/Micc.

[LicketyQuickety]

[Micc]

I'm fairly certain that the Scum team is Nash/Micc.

Ok, but why?

[LicketyQuickety]

I'm fairly certain that the Scum team is Nash/Micc.

Ok, but why?

Because I don't believe that you are not hammering just to wait for Mikul. And I ISO'd Nash/Tl and saw some stuff I thought makes it really difficult for Nash to be teamed with Nash. That said, I can see some room for it in some of Tl's other pushes, but overall I saw Tl push votato's pred in a very real way. It doesn't constitute as a Non-Associative, but it's pretty indicative they are not teamed.

[Micc]

You bring up a good point. Presuming Nash is mafia, TL shouldn’t hammer until Mikul claims a jailkeep target for the night. If Nash flips RB then Mikul’s jailkeep target is confirmed town even if Mikul dies. If Nash flips goon then the jailkeep target is irrelevant.

This is mechanically optimal play, and it remains true if you substitute TL for Micc. You’re saying you think it’s mafia indicative that I want to make the mechanically optimal play?

Is there a reason you’re keeping that case abstract and not using clearly identifiable points in the game or direct quotes?

[LicketyQuickety]

Is there a reason you’re keeping that case abstract and not using clearly identifiable points in the game or direct quotes?

Yes.

[Micc]

So what’s the catch then? For a pro activity and discussion player you’re being pretty prohibitive of conversation here.

[LicketyQuickety]

So what’s the catch then? For a pro activity and discussion player you’re being pretty prohibitive of conversation here.

I've documented elsewhere why I don't want to out all the ways I get reads. Besides, the info is out there already. I've just adapted and picked what I want to work on more specifically. It's all out there. All the ways I get reads is out on Mafia sites. I just don't feel like having this discussion every game. If you dig into me you'll find what you are looking for.

[Micc]

yeah, I kinda hate that as a take on mafia theory. It's never been appropriate for me to say that as your game mod, but I'm happy to say it as another player.