Newbie 2016: Snapdragons (Game Over)

[JamSV]

Hey hey hey!

Good evening moons, I’m porkens. I like to

lolhammer, memegambit

, and fall scumteams day 1. My perfect date includes lying on the floor, playing Super Nintendo, and eating chips.

Fun fact: I skimmed this slot and was BLOWN AWAY to get a town PM.

Ill read if I have to but I’ll give a cookie to anyone who catches me up on the game state!!

I officially don't intend on moving my vote in order to have a healthy game.

[Raya36]

The mis-coaching from Raya here gives me the creeps. "get out of a tough situation" is a telling choice of words - Raya clearly appreciates the 'case' isn't one which a newbie could easily refute despite the fact it isn't grounded in good logic. The inference here is that Raya is expecting (maybe hoping?) Blopp won't respond in a way which "gets them out of a tough situation" and is disappointed that she was given a proverbial lifeline.

Maybe I was wrong but if so I'll listen since you have much more experience than me but I don't see how what I said was wrong. I was frustrated that Clark's response might affect how Blopp responds to the case on him. I am not in any way suggesting not to react or respond to things that interest you within the thread. But it's not town oriented to respond to a case and defend someone else even if it wasn't intended as a defense. While the case was weak his reaction to it could be very telling. I think it's a stretch to say I was upset because I wanted Blopp to not be able to get out of the case.

On profile pic removal, no explanation here as to why that would be AI? I can't think why it would be.
And still pushing the slot after the inhabitant flakes out is probably mildly scummy given that the case wasn't anything to begin with - in other words, Lucky is less worried about getting a response from the player (despite earlier protestations) and more enthusiastic about running up the slot.

Exactly what I was trying to get across pretty much all game.

Hey, Raya. Fuck LuckyLuciano. I'm pretty sure he's just faking his outrage because he has no other tools in his skillset as scum. Him faking a PR was weak.

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• Currently, flip preferences are: 36% LuckyLuciano or Battle Mage | 26% 72offsuit, JamSV, or ThirteenthJT | 16% LicketyQuickety | 12% ClarkBar | 10% Raya.

VOTE: LuckyLuciano

Thank you
Opinions from those with the most experience on whether or not Lucky should fully claim?

It feels to me like his wagon got run up, he doesnt want town wasting town focussing on him, and doesnt care all that much about this game, so isnt that fussed about being night-killed.

I don't know where you're getting the don't care about the game vibe because those wall posts about me seemed like caring

Why are you disputing what I said when it's obvious my read on him was correct. He is replacing out is he not?
So unless you think I am EXACTLY scum-teamed-with-LL, why question my read?

Responded to this before I saw the replacement request. I questioned it because I didn't agree. Also I still don't see where you got this read of not caring when he was posting wallposts. The replacement supports this but you posted this before that.

I think my whole case and how reactionary Lucky acted in response is enough on its own

I don't believe the claim at all. Scum ALWAYS claims a PR in this situation. So why are we just blindly trusting Lucky's PR claim when we don't even know the specific role and can just get by without a counterclaim

Who is the "we" that you refer to in this post?

We as in town in general

I'd like you to be more specific. WHICH particular players in particular werer you referring to?

Idk why you're nitpicking this. I wasn't referring to anyone in particular. Just we as town in general since as a group we were not forcing Lucky to claim anything specific

Not only does he include himself in the "we" of town, which is independently scummy, but more importantly,

also does not specifically refer to the specific players that stated believed LL's claim was genuine.

How is it scummy to include myself in the we of town?? What would you rather I say? And why do I need to individually refer to those players. I'm not attacking them, I'm just trying to explain why we should be getting a claim.

Apologies raya, I've been saying "he". My bad.

That's ok

It's the scummiest post, because not many people have actually come out and said they believed LL's claim was real, despite raya saying
"So why are we just blindly trusting Lucky's PR claim"

Why didn;t raya just direct that towards me?
It gives me the impresssion raya knows I;m town and has extrapolated my view onto "town" in general.

Because I wasn't attacking you! I was trying to convince town in general. And lots of people posted since the claim without demanding a proper claim. I'm not singling anyone out.

The fact raya disappeared, after I challenged her, is pretty telling in its own right.

I work long shifts and have plans some nights too. I was just busy...
Wallposts are pretty discouraging too.


@Porkens, convince me you're town and not scum seeing that Lucky's approach didn't get anywhere and doing a whole 180 with the slot for towncred.
My vote is staying here as well

[Porkens]

I’m not here to convince you that I’m town; I’m here to find the mafia

72 gets a cookie!

JamSV gets 1 demerit for his “healthy game” what does that even mean?

[Raya36]

You're sounding kinda LAMIST

[Porkens]

hey Raya nice to meetcha. Let’s talk about something what you got

[Raya36]

Nice to meet you too. Your slot is the one I've been the most interested in but it's hard to question you about what Lucky has done. I want more input before I start advocating for you to claim

[Raya36]

Why does 72 get a cookie?

[Porkens]

Why do you want more input?

[Porkens]

Why does 72 get a cookie?

Did you read my opening post?

[Looker]

@Looker: Would I be correct in guessing that your flip percentage preference does not necessarily correlate to town v scum reads?

For the most part they do, but I try to focus more on votecount than tone because I feel it's easy for people to fake and bullshit. Typically who people vote off is significant enough to them to be genuine.

Fun fact: I skimmed this slot and was BLOWN AWAY to get a town PM.

Does this mean you don't need much time to catch up?

Spoiler:

This list is total crap and almost completely upside down.

Lucky
72o
Thirteen
Looker
Quick
JamSV
Clark
BM
Raya

About half the day I’m scumreading 72, although he started to pick up towards the end here. I don’t hate his thoughts on reya tbf.
Raya is townlean tho
Clark and jam are probtown
Bm and quick are probtown
Looker and thirteen are leanscum

72 has no votes? That’s rediculois. VOTE: 72

Everyone else can ask for their own reasons, but is mine OMGUS?

[Porkens]

Hey looker,

I’m as caught up as I’m gunna be. I read through last night after my initial post and before my last.

No not omgus at all, like I said I thought this slot was scum too. I give a smaaaaaal amount of weight to the blooper avatar theory and you haven’t posted much for me to read you. So the needle hasn’t moved much.

[JamSV]

I’m not here to convince you that I’m town; I’m here to find the mafia

72 gets a cookie!

JamSV gets 1 demerit for his “healthy game” what does that even mean?

A wild porkens appears. Just like in Juuni Taisen I reckon they should be the first one to be hammered (I am aware chronologically it wasn't boar but its the first we saw). I can predict with very high accuracy that when someone comes in and the first thing they say is "I like to lolhammer, and memegambit", that they're going to ruin the game. Not to mention "I skimmed this slot and was BLOWN AWAY to get a town BM" is utter BS LAMIST nonsense.
Once again my vote is no longer going to move.

[Raya36]

Why do you want more input?

Incase it's not as town oriented as I think

[Raya36]

Why does 72 get a cookie?

Did you read my opening post?

Yes

[Porkens]

I respect your right to be wrong

Now, before that nasty hammer comes down on my widdle head, in the mean time, ask me a question or two.

[Porkens]

Why do you want more input?

Incase it's not as town oriented as I think

And why are you concerned about whether advocating that I full claim be viewed as town oriented?

[Porkens]

Why does 72 get a cookie?

Did you read my opening post?

Yes

Then why are you asking about 72’s cookie?

[Porkens]

I’m not here to convince you that I’m town; I’m here to find the mafia

72 gets a cookie!

JamSV gets 1 demerit for his “healthy game” what does that even mean?

A wild porkens appears. Just like in Juuni Taisen I reckon they should be the first one to be hammered (I am aware chronologically it wasn't boar but its the first we saw). I can predict with very high accuracy that when someone comes in and the first thing they say is "I like to lolhammer, and memegambit", that they're going to ruin the game. Not to mention "I skimmed this slot and was BLOWN AWAY to get a town BM" is utter BS LAMIST nonsense.
Once again my vote is no longer going to move.

Oh , AND jam didn’t answer my question. Afraid that’s another demerit.

[ClarkBar]

Positive: Regardless if town or scum appreciate the effort in this post. Keeps the game moving.
Negative: Pretty much disagree with half the reads here.

Fair!

1. You say you are confused about BM's posts, but I don;t see you actually clarifying them or any follow-up on your behalf.

It's that there were a few of them that seemed to be weird non-sequiters, but there were no votes or reads in them so I just shrugged. His posting since has been normal.

2. TTJT and I have similar reads but somehow I am scummy and he is town. The read on TTJT and myself doesn;t really match up.

They sure don't! Similar reads in what way?

3. Read on Quick seems reasonable, like it could be from a town-mindset.

Perceptive!

4. "I think I have to put Jam in my town-bloc for now". Pretty much zero discussion about Jam's actual ALIGNMENT, just goes on about why you like Jam, so I still have no idea how you conclude to put him as a town read.

Because I think he's town. Talk to me about why you don't think he is!

5. The ISO on raya just feels really underwhelming, once again I'm not really getting the vibe of alignment sorting, it just feels like Information Instead of Analysis. Furthermore I don;t understand why Raya was chosen as the only player to be ISO'ed.

Because I was asked to! And I'm sorry if it was underwhelming, but I

did

put a disclaimer at the top about that likelihood. Caveat emptor!

6. In my experience recklessness tends to come from town, not scum. Town speak their mind, their goal is simply to poke and prod and try to find scum.
Scum generally are more calculating - they care more about how they are perceived as scum doesn;t want to attract attention to themselves.

I think I've decided to ignore the "in my experience town/scum does..." stuff from here on out. The possible consequences of ignoring the sage advice of more experienced players be damned!

7. I think you can ask everyone here, if they think setup speculation is pro-town or pro-scum.
Once again, I don;t see why you are questioning my vote on Blopp as compared to TTJT.

If you want me to ISO you just ask. No need to beat around the bush!

8. Overall don;t see much here regarding motivation/intent of players. It mostly just feels like a recap of whats occurred in the game.

Ok! But I did claim intent to hammer on a player that I had yet to display any issue with at all. And I insinuated that my read on you (another player I haven't really discussed to that point) was dependent on an LL flip. So I'm sorry you found it a useless exercise, but I sure didn't.

[JamSV]

I’m not here to convince you that I’m town; I’m here to find the mafia

72 gets a cookie!

JamSV gets 1 demerit for his “healthy game” what does that even mean?

A wild porkens appears. Just like in Juuni Taisen I reckon they should be the first one to be hammered (I am aware chronologically it wasn't boar but its the first we saw).

I can predict with very high accuracy that when someone comes in and the first thing they say is "I like to lolhammer, and memegambit", that they're going to ruin the game.

Not to mention "I skimmed this slot and was BLOWN AWAY to get a town BM" is utter BS LAMIST nonsense.
Once again my vote is no longer going to move.

Oh , AND jam didn’t answer my question. Afraid that’s another demerit.

Invalid due to inability to read. It's almost like what is in bold is the explanation. I'm not going to act like you're stupid enough to not understand it, but I'll just play along for now. It's almost as if, lolhammering and memegambits ruin games, would prevent the game being a "healthy game". I quoted your post not because of you saying you don't want to convince us that you're town, nor because 72 gets a cookie. So I wonder what part of your post, my post referred to. If one with 12 years of experience more than I have, can't link 2 posts together, then I'm thoroughly disappointed, unless if its out of sheer arrogance, which would disappoint me for different reasons.

If you intend on having a toxic attitude and ruining the game, there's very little I tell you to do, I was 6 yo when you joined the site, I can't see someone under 12 playing mafia either. Feel free to piece together the relevance of that.

PS - this part is for Clark. If you didn't like playing with Menalque, I have some bad news for you unfortunately.

[Raya36]

Why do you want more input?

Incase it's not as town oriented as I think

And why are you concerned about whether advocating that I full claim be viewed as town oriented?

I'm not concerned about it being viewed as town oriented. I'm concerned that getting you to full claim is a mistake that will hurt town

[ClarkBar]

I respect your right to be wrong

Now, before that nasty hammer comes down on my widdle head, in the mean time, ask me a question or two.

I'm probably gonna hammer you in the next couple of hours. I mean, no cookies or demerits or anything for me? Don't let the door hit your ass on the way out.

[Raya36]

Ok in that case since Clark started intent we do need a full proper claim

[ClarkBar]

PS - this part is for Clark. If you didn't like playing with Menalque, I have some bad news for you unfortunately.

Are you referring to Porkens? How many 500 IQ anime protagonist players are there on this site?

[ClarkBar]

Ok in that case since Clark started intent we do need a full proper claim

And it sounded jokey but its not.