Newbie 2012 - Game Over

[Micc]

Votecount 2.04

72offsuit (3) -

WaltertheDunce10, Ydrasse, DoctorPepper, UNOwen, ItalianoVD

MiniMegabyte (1) -

GuiltyLion

UNOwen (1) -

72offsuit

Not Voting (1) -

MiniMegabyte,

With 8 players alive it takes 5 votes to Eliminate.

An elimination has been achieved.

[Micc]

72offsuit has been eliminated. He was a

Vanilla Townie

.

It is now Night 2. The deadline for Night 2 is in (expired on 2020-07-08 16:30:00).

[Micc]

DoctorPepper has been killed Night 2. He was a

Town Jailkeeper

.

It is now Day 3.

Votecount 3.00

Not Voting (6) -

MiniMegabyte, WaltertheDunce10, ItalianoVD, UNOwen, Ydrasse, GuiltyLion

With 6 players alive it takes 4 votes to eliminate.

The deadline for Day 3 is in (expired on 2020-07-15 16:35:00).

[WaltertheDunce10]

K that is not good
One of ydrasse unowen or italiano is prob scum

[GuiltyLion]

I am the

Town Tracker

.

I tracked UNOwen to DoctorPepper last night. He is scum.
VOTE: UNOwen

on Night 1, I tracked Ydrasse and she went nowhere. I softed this a couple times such that in case I was flipped, you all would see that while I didn't have an inno/guilty result on her, she was slightly less likely to be mafia:

I don't have a ton of time rn and I'm still thinking, but I do want to say in case 72 selfhammers

I think UNOwen is more likely scum than Ydrasse

, based on their initial posts today and

some reading I did overnight

. Will explain in more detail later assuming there's no self-vote

some reading I did overnight = my night action results.

I can see where you're coming from and maybe I need to re-evaluate again. I'm not getting the sense that you are scum, and I'm not getting that sense

(nor do I have compelling evidence)

that Ydrasse is scum either. I had ruled out Italiano/Walter already, maybe it's worth re-visiting them, I'll try to reread again with that in mind.

[GuiltyLion]

No death N1 has 5 possibilities:
1. Mafia was not able to submit a factional kill (indicating someone who may have forgotten about the game or site-flaked)
2. Doctor blocks the night kill
3. Jailkeeper blocks the night kill by correctly targetting the Night Kill
4. Jailkeeper blocks the night kill by correctly targetting the Mafia assigned to do the NK.
5. Mafia submits no kill on purpose

I don't want to go in assuming it's 2-4 when 1 could be likely. I also think that while 5 is unlikely for a newbie, I would not put it past any of you to be that bold at Day 2

this is a really strange post for the JKer to make

and I'm not seeing any crumbs/softs in his ISO about who he targeted N1

I wonder if he didn't submit a Jailkeep action, and the lack of NK indicated that we actually are in the world where Mafia didn't submit a kill?

regardless, I'm not seeing any clues in DocPep's ISO that help us deduce who he jailed N1, this is the only thing that stands out

[WaltertheDunce10]

VOTE: unowen
I believe you

[GuiltyLion]

looking at D1 VCs again, Italiano and UNOwen spent a lot of time cross-voting, even when Italiano got up to L-1. This makes Italiano very likely town.

It's also worth keeping in mind that if UNOwen flips goon, Ydrasse is further less likely scum given that there's no reason

not

to use your roleblocking ability (and we know from Tracker/JKer that there is a roleblocker in play).

I'll reread more of D1 in a bit to see what else I can dig up, but I don't have time to look at actual posts now. This VC is interesting because all three wagons are on town, close to deadline:

Votecount 1.12

DoctorPepper (3) -

72offsuit, Ydrasse, GuiltyLion

TheThirteenthJT (3) -

UNOwen, MiniMegabyte, WaltertheDunce10

72offsuit (3) -

DoctorPepper, ItalianoVD, TheThirteenthJT

Not Voting (0) -

With 9 players alive it takes 5 votes to Eliminate.

The deadline for Day 1 is in (expired on 2020-06-28 20:00:00).

usually scum don't group up in this situation when there's no need to, out of fear of being linked together and because there's benefit to having multiple options to eliminate. But like I said, we also have some evidence that Ydrasse is VT, so idk if it's safe to assume anything from here regarding UNOwen/Mini or UNOwen/Walter viability

[ItalianoVD]

VOTE: UNOwen

I’m soooooo happy that you are alive GuiltyLion. Sorry for the confusion. I believe you 100%

The #1 thing that made me think this is when you said you thought DoctorPepper softclaimed and then voted for him, while I backed off. I couldn’t say this, however, for obvious reasons.

[ItalianoVD]

The reason I voted for you is I wanted to see what UNOwen would do, since he had claimed you were part of the scum team. It wasn’t real. I also wanted to keep a bit of doubt on you, which explains the final section of 873

[Ydrasse]

it seems like in his day 2 iso, doctorpepper mainly concerned himself with 72 and that elimination. the only people mentioned by name other than guiltylion are mini and uno in

796

as a potential scumteam. however, i think that if it was either of these two he might have given us more indication in his iso as to which he had been jk on?

however, i think that it's a possibility that doctorpepper was on walter as the jk? in 675 he indicates a post as bad which is... about as much as i can gather as an indication when it came to end of day. that, or he was on one of myself/italiano given that we were in his "do not eliminate" pile (483) and he seemed to have those same sentiments by the end of the day. i don't think anyone else would've been his choice — 72, in theory because dp was convinced 72 was mafia, but given the lack of a nightkill i don't think it was 72. it would be a really bad move for a mafia team to try and kill him given the end of day 1.

i don't think it's the case where both the jailkeeper and mafia team failed to submit actions or chose not to, though.

now that both prs are out though, i want to ask.

@italiano:

why did you bold the word find in post 75?

@walter:

why did you point out this fact in post 271? also, who else do you think is scum currently?

@mini:

where is your head at right now? i have no clue what you're thinking honestly, what your reads are, or anything. i just want something from you to know what the heck you're thinking.

[ItalianoVD]

704 sounds like him distancing himself from his role, not wanting to sound like he has inside information.

[WaltertheDunce10]

It just seemed deliberate and I thought it could be a crumb.
Maybe mini, but my reads have been wrong so far.

[ItalianoVD]

@Ydrasse: was just putting emphasis on the word to show that I liked finding the piece to the puzzle compared to having the piece of the puzzle.

[MiniMegabyte]

To be completely honest I feel that if UNOwen is a scum I feel like Italians would be Aswell. That’s what I’m thinking anyway

[MiniMegabyte]

Italiano

[UNOwen]

Lies and slander!
VOTE: UNOwen

[UNOwen]

Think about it: GuiltyLion

Guilty

Lion
you know it makes sense

[ItalianoVD]

Well are you saying you are the town tracker?

[ItalianoVD]

Clearly not, the town tracker wouldn’t vote for himself.

And if by some chance GuiltyLion is guilty, he will be gone tomorrow. How likely do you think that is?

[Micc]

Votecount 3.01

UNOwen (4) -

GuiltyLion, WaltertheDunce10, ItalianoVD, UNOwen

Not Voting (2) -

MiniMegabyte, Ydrasse

With 6 players alive it takes 4 votes to eliminate.

An elimination has been achieved.

[Micc]

UNOwen has been eliminated Day 3. They were a

Mafia Roleblocker

.

It is now Night 3. The deadline for Night 3 is in (expired on 2020-07-11 12:00:00).

[Micc]

GuiltyLion has been killed Night 3. He was a

Town Tracker

.

It is now Day 4.

Votecount 4.00

Not Voting (4) -

MiniMegabyte, WaltertheDunce10, ItalianoVD, Ydrasse

With 4 players alive it takes 3 votes to eliminate.

The deadline for Day 4 is in (expired on 2020-07-18 12:20:00).

[ItalianoVD]

Well yup, that was the obvious kill.

VOTE: MiniMegabyte

[WaltertheDunce10]

Agreed,
VOTE: minimegabyte