Newbie 2016: Snapdragons (Game Over)

[ClarkBar]

LL is not a rage quitter. He is also not a sore loser. I dont see !scumLL replacing out and screwing over his replcement with his fake claim.

But town!LL would do this? What is this argument?

[Porkens]

If I'm not mistaking, that's 4 votes. I have a TPR. Let's move on.

Like, if you are mason with 72, just say so. If you are that would make sense. But it's not really my fault I caught 72 lying about your meta and thought he was Scum for it.

Anyways, if you ARE masons with 72, which I would say is about 50/50 at this point, then I would look at Raya36 for the blatant buddy attempt as well as Thirteen for them affirming LL's meta and budying me. I DON'T think Blopp flaking is actually AI.

UNVOTE:

To give Town a moment to process what just happened.

Going to vote it.

VOTE: TheThirteenthJT

So you are advocating eliminating a claimed power role day 1 when, in claiming, my slot because self-resolving as the game goes on anyway?

No, I'm claiming my case is rock solid and you claiming PR doesn't dissuade me at all given that is exactly what you would do if you were Scum. Like, what is my incentive to believe you are telling the truth about being TPR?

I don’t understand this progression at all

[Porkens]

It just boggles my mind that LL ended up claiming based on a scumread of three posts.

Porkens.
Read into the relationship between LL and Quick.
LL replaced oit of the previous game he was involved with quick. It was clear to me he was cbf with this game.

LL is not a rage quitter. He is also not a sore loser. I dont see !scumLL replacing out and screwing over his replcement with his fake claim.

I’m not at all sure what you are trying to convince me of here

[ClarkBar]

Look at Porkens go. Sowing suspicion, starting shit. I respect it. Still scum.

[72offsuit]

Why would 72 counterwagon away from LL if they know LL is town?

To not be associated with elimnating a member of the town day 1. Thought this was common scum tactics? Plus there was no need with 4 votes and hammering would have been a bad idea.

Again this is all under the assumption LL was town. The only one that really knows the truth is you on that slot. Well LL too.

Question you need to ask here if porkens is lynched and flips town, did i actively push scummy slots, or did i just rest on my laurels and cry "no, dont lynch LL"

[72offsuit]

Think this is the last time im going to defend my townreads in newbie games.

[Porkens]

Clark tell me what’s up with reya.

72, where did you push scummy slots can you quote it or something?

[72offsuit]

I'd take Clark as my buddy to guarantee his first win as scum, and also so you could be right about me and Clark being scum.

to guarantee his first win as scum

to guarantee his first win

his first win

(Again something is off for me with Clark's vote )

Is it that I was leaning town on LL and now am pushing for the slot to be executed? Do you think my reasoning is weak? I'm happy to talk about this, so if something is troubling you don't be shy.

In general, if you think that I'm wrong on the Pork slot or that I'm not taking things into account that I should be please let me know. I just really believe pork is the right kill.

I'm going through your ISO currently. But a quick summary of what I'm seeing. It is based on your stance of LL/Porkens as well as your stance on replacement players. You defend LL hard and slowly worked your way to turning on them. But you teased a vote multiple times and it wasn't until you realized you weren't the hammer that you finally jumped on the wagon. Basically it comes down that you wanted any reason to join the wagon but we're too afraid to hammer so shied away.

This feels like a town-motivated push to me.
I agree with this read.

[72offsuit]

Post 456 is by far the biggest red flag for me. I feel that up to this point Clark was attempting to slowly turn on LL but this posts felt like such a jump it felt forced. Their attitude towards that slot changed from then on.

Agreed. Clark's take on LLs fake claim feels EXTREMELY opportunistic

[Porkens]

Hi BM!

Again I want to say how sorry I am for letting myself almost get replaced. I was whiny in the beginning of the game about the slow place, and so of course it would be me to then contribute to the problem. I work on weekends, and with the holiday and some other life stuff I got completely wrecked. I do virtually nothing during the week, so my posting will be a lot more consistent.

I'll say this regarding much of what I've read in the last few pages: I am not going to go read a past game to see how players behaved in it. I have said (and still believe) that behavior/activity levels being different in one game to another is something I think is noteworthy and could be AI. So I'm not dismissing that as a reasonable motive to vote for somebody. But, unless something very clear is brought to my attention then I don't think I'm going to hop on a wagon because of meta.

I don't have a problem with LL's reasoning for voting Blopp even if it is kind of a reach. I can follow the reasoning and don't necessarily disagree. I do fear quick hammers, but that fear shouldn't stop a player from having some L-1 pressure. I also buy LL's claim for now. I feel uncomfortable giving town-reads, but LL is a town lean for me.

My vote on Homura stands and I guess we'll see if there is a replacement or if Homura returns. Obviously I can't point any fingers regarding activity levels, but it's the lack of trying to engage other players in a meaningful way that bothers me. Half-heartedly sharing opinions and having only one vote that was in the RVS and not even a random reason given bugs me.

I'll keep looking at stuff and see if I can't get some questions goings. I'm also happy to answer any questions, in fact that might help me in figuring out my own feelings on some things.

This post
Is a very scummy post

[ClarkBar]

Clark tell me what’s up with reya.

I've talked about her a lot. Do some reading.

[72offsuit]

I'm almost done with my wallpost. The short version is that I know I'm town, so I know that his perspective's matching mine WRT Blopp and Raya means he's likely got a townie starting point with his read to the game. I know that's not useful to you, but I'm also going to advocate you eliminate my slot, at which point you should see that 72o's obvtown.

He didn't just sheep me either, he gave independent original thoughts that shared my perspective of the game.

This wasn't exactly true. 72 had 2 thoughts on the Blopp wagon - one was parroting the logically flawed LAMIST argument from Lucky, and the other was something about not liking a smiley face.

Not clear how Lucky-town implies 72-town, but Lucky-scum making this argument further suggests 72-town (too much association).

It was a page 1 wagon to get discussion going based off the slightest of bad pings. Why are you harping on about this at this stage of the game?

[Porkens]

Hi BM!

Again I want to say how sorry I am for letting myself almost get replaced. I was whiny in the beginning of the game about the slow place, and so of course it would be me to then contribute to the problem. I work on weekends, and with the holiday and some other life stuff I got completely wrecked. I do virtually nothing during the week, so my posting will be a lot more consistent.

I'll say this regarding much of what I've read in the last few pages: I am not going to go read a past game to see how players behaved in it. I have said (and still believe) that behavior/activity levels being different in one game to another is something I think is noteworthy and could be AI. So I'm not dismissing that as a reasonable motive to vote for somebody. But, unless something very clear is brought to my attention then I don't think I'm going to hop on a wagon because of meta.

I don't have a problem with LL's reasoning for voting Blopp even if it is kind of a reach. I can follow the reasoning and don't necessarily disagree. I do fear quick hammers, but that fear shouldn't stop a player from having some L-1 pressure. I also buy LL's claim for now. I feel uncomfortable giving town-reads, but LL is a town lean for me.

My vote on Homura stands and I guess we'll see if there is a replacement or if Homura returns. Obviously I can't point any fingers regarding activity levels, but it's the lack of trying to engage other players in a meaningful way that bothers me. Half-heartedly sharing opinions and having only one vote that was in the RVS and not even a random reason given bugs me.

I'll keep looking at stuff and see if I can't get some questions goings. I'm also happy to answer any questions, in fact that might help me in figuring out my own feelings on some things.

So you believe LLs claim but he is only a town lean?

And I agree on your Homura point but it's not strong enough for it to be my leading case. Could you ISo Raya and let me know how you feel about them.

This is a for fun question and part of my experimental ways of playing.(I know we are out of rqs and wifom and not aftual scumhunting blah blah blah. Just let me be me.) If you were town who is your scum team at this point, and if you were mafia who would your partner be? Please answer both sides and just have fun with the answers. I don't have any day to back anything up but I have theories so this will help me improve as a player. Anyone else is free to answer this as well.

This is a good post about a bad post!

[72offsuit]

Nobody tell him.

I hate not being in on a joke.

@FJ13: I'm sorry if it seems I'm contradicting myself. I feel like I'm not, but ok. Why would I say ok to somebody asking to wipe the slate clean? Why would I ignore things that happened in a game simply because there is a different player in the slot?

Scummy. Apologises for being scummy.

[Porkens]

He's mafia, my vote is no longer random.

Agreed.

VOTE: Blopp

That’s not what you said here.

[72offsuit]

I don't have one. Just think you're reading too much into something that could have a non-game-related reason for occurring.

Thank you for your contribution to the game. Come back when you want to push the game forward.

What a total asshat, Jesus Christ.

Yes, he can be an ass

[ClarkBar]

Ok, we have a little cadre here throwing shade at me. No probs, but where's them votes?

[72offsuit]

The avatar removal just feels like an account deactivation. Seems like she decided forum mafia wasnt her cup of tea.
Question is, what it due to !scumher having to explain her way out of a hole, or just disliking the game overall.

Riddle me this: why did 76 vote for bloop?

Ask 72. His reasons seem to be the same as LL's. The exception being that 72 never gave an opinion on the ART. How does that rub you?

Why did 72 change his vote? Why did 72 seem to not know where his vote was at that point in the game?

[Porkens]

LL is also a lot less wordy as Town. I am assuming this pattern holds based on how I would assume LL would play as Scum given prior experience playing with them. This is not strictly a "meta read" but rather a personality trait narrative read. There's a diff but I don't really feel like explaining rn.

Quick was this true or was it bullshit?

[72offsuit]

Riddle me this: why did 76 vote for bloop?

Ask 72. His reasons seem to be the same as LL's. The exception being that 72 never gave an opinion on the ART. How does that rub you?

Why did 72 change his vote? Why did 72 seem to not know where his vote was at that point in the game?

I knew i voted blopp, and i thought i had voted raya when i started scumreading her.
Nice shading here though.

[ClarkBar]

My bad 72, you did at one point refer to the ART. Why did it take you so long, especially when players asked you if your opinion/reasonsing for the Blopp wagon had changed, to address it?

[72offsuit]

You are townreading me for scumreading someone who townreads him? Am I following that correctly?

You jave been confrontational and poked and prodded.
It gives me town vibes

[72offsuit]

He's mafia, my vote is no longer random.

Agreed.

VOTE: Blopp

That’s not what you said here.

I dont see why you are questioning my motivation here.
Let me break it down.

1) I get an initial bad ping, from the smiley face and LAMIST post of blopp.
2) I like to wagon newbies, they are the most likely tl give AI reactions
3) I vote blopp to pressure the slot.

What is hard to understand here?

[72offsuit]

My bad 72, you did at one point refer to the ART. Why did it take you so long, especially when players asked you if your opinion/reasonsing for the Blopp wagon had changed, to address it?

1. Why are you asking me this now and not earlier?

2. I had nothing new to add.

[72offsuit]

Im eliminating between raya and clark today