Open 784 - Hard-Boiled (Town Wins!)

[JacksonVirgo]

VC 2.3

Doctor Drew (1)

- Tuxedo Mask

Nash (1)

- Looker

PenguinPower (1)

- Battle Mage

No-Hammer (0)

Not Voting (8)

- Nash, Aristophanes, Gypyx, superbowl9, PenguinPower, Froppy, word321, Doctor Drew

With 6 votes to hammer... Doctor Drew, Nash and PenguinPower are at H-5

Deadline:

(expired on 2020-07-23 20:00:00)

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[word321]

hmmm
I think pp or nash is a good choice
pp town would increase the odds of a {looker, Bm} solve
pp scum would increase the odds of nash scum

nash seems scummy by himself, but one of the reasons is subordinated to penguins flip
VOTE: PenguinPower

[Battle Mage]

{word, Ari, BM}

That's where I think we should look today.

I'm guessing you don't have any reasons?

I'm offended you think so little of me.

Prove me wrong.

[Battle Mage]

BM, I thought I was scum.

Why onto PP now?

You and me both then!

1 more scum to find, you're not going anywhere.

[Gypyx]

hmmm
I think pp or nash is a good choice
pp town would increase the odds of a {looker, Bm} solve
pp scum would increase the odds of nash scum

nash seems scummy by himself, but one of the reasons is subordinated to penguins flip
VOTE: PenguinPower

why does pp town means a Looker / BM scumteam?

and also, your point on pp scum can also be made teh other way so that's not really valid in terms of priorities

[PenguinPower]

{word, Ari, BM}

That's where I think we should look today.

I'm guessing you don't have any reasons?

I'm offended you think so little of me.

Prove me wrong.

I mean - I kinda just gave them? Scum almost certainly bussed and you three are in the typical bus positions.

You thinking I'm scum means that I was a counterwagon to my partner and made no effort to get towncred by bussing him nor did I try to move the wagon elsewhere. That's extremely suboptimal play.

[Gypyx]

Your eyes creep me out ngl.

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[Battle Mage]

@Tuxedo mask

could you explain the reasons behind your vote on drew please?

Tux, you don't actually need to answer this.

Your eyes creep me out ngl.

that's the best you've got? I'll settle for a confession or a claim.

[Battle Mage]

hmmm
I think pp or nash is a good choice
pp town would increase the odds of a {looker, Bm} solve
pp scum would increase the odds of nash scum

nash seems scummy by himself, but one of the reasons is subordinated to penguins flip
VOTE: PenguinPower

why does pp town means a Looker / BM scumteam?

and also, your point on pp scum can also be made teh other way so that's not really valid in terms of priorities

i am also baffled by this.

[superbowl9]

{word, Ari, BM}

That's where I think we should look today.

I'm guessing you don't have any reasons?

I'm offended you think so little of me.

Prove me wrong.

I mean - I kinda just gave them? Scum almost certainly bussed and you three are in the typical bus positions.

You thinking I'm scum means that I was a counterwagon to my partner and made no effort to get towncred by bussing him nor did I try to move the wagon elsewhere. That's extremely suboptimal play.

#1 this is WIFOM (also why VCA kinda sorta sucks) and #2 you seem quite sure that bussing would be the optimal play for scum - I don't view this as the case. I think you could still make a case for town (or not scum) Mara and be fine as scum (*cough* word *cough*)

[Battle Mage]

{word, Ari, BM}

That's where I think we should look today.

I'm guessing you don't have any reasons?

I'm offended you think so little of me.

Prove me wrong.

I mean - I kinda just gave them? Scum almost certainly bussed and you three are in the typical bus positions.

You thinking I'm scum means that I was a counterwagon to my partner and made no effort to get towncred by bussing him nor did I try to move the wagon elsewhere. That's extremely suboptimal play.

Gimme a break dude. I basically invented the Marashu-wagon. The likelihood of me bussing like

that

, in that spot, in this format, is pretty slim. Is it possible? Of course. But to have me as one of your top suspects today is ridiculous. Your justification here is superficial and low effort - I know you are better than this.

[superbowl9]

LMAO this is why I love gypyx

[PenguinPower]

#1 this is WIFOM (also why VCA kinda sorta sucks) and #2 you seem quite sure that bussing would be the optimal play for scum - I don't view this as the case. I think you could still make a case for town (or not scum) Mara and be fine as scum (*cough* word *cough*)

Almost everything can be handwaved as WIFOM. I'm just going by probability based on current site meta.

Fun note: my most recent completed game actually goes against this view, but that's an anomaly.

[PenguinPower]

Gimme a break dude. I basically invented the Marashu-wagon. The likelihood of me bussing like that, in that spot, in this format, is pretty slim. Is it possible? Of course. But to have me as one of your top suspects today is ridiculous. Your justification here is superficial and low effort - I know you are better than this.

Sorry you fell in that spot? I didn't read most of the game, but where did you invent the wagon?

[Battle Mage]

Gimme a break dude. I basically invented the Marashu-wagon. The likelihood of me bussing like that, in that spot, in this format, is pretty slim. Is it possible? Of course. But to have me as one of your top suspects today is ridiculous. Your justification here is superficial and low effort - I know you are better than this.

Sorry you fell in that spot?

I didn't read most of the game

, but where did you invent the wagon?

Read the game then.

[PenguinPower]

Nope.

[word321]

VCA. The maximum point of PPs wagon was 5/3 to mara, those 2 votes from looker and bm. I am inclined to think looker more than BM tbh; theres also the other actors. I may be paranoid by BM after all.
This is all assuming PP is town; if he is scum, thrn we would have won the game either way,, as we probably have 4 cpnfirmed town slots rn and only increasing with the hider.

[superbowl9]

Almost everything can be handwaved as WIFOM. I'm just going by probability based on current site meta.

Fun note: my most recent completed game actually goes against this view, but that's an anomaly.

Exactly why using meta does not work lol, if everyone knows the meta it's very easy to break it. To use the argument that "well scum would have bussed because that's the current meta!" is WIFOM which is not useful unless you can argue that scum is conforming to the current meta, which you can't unless you are scum. Thus using VCA in this way is not useful

Don't make me go on a WIFOM rant please the "Oh WeLl TeChNiCaLlY eVeRyThInG iS wIfOm" argument always bugs me

[PenguinPower]

I don't want to devolve this into a playstyle discussion, but....you're wrong.

Rant away in MD.

[PenguinPower]

Are you Reck in disguise?

[Tuxedo Mask]

@Tuxedo mask

could you explain the reasons behind your vote on drew please?

BM seems ontop of this game.

Though I don't get the pivot to PP. The two competing wagons for like all of day 1 were scum, really?

[Tuxedo Mask]

@Tuxedo mask

could you explain the reasons behind your vote on drew please?

Tux, you don't actually need to answer this.

[Battle Mage]

I don't want to devolve this into a playstyle discussion, but....you're wrong.

Rant away in MD.

I'm sure you don't want to get into a playstyle discussion given your ethos of not reading the game.

[Battle Mage]

@Tuxedo mask

could you explain the reasons behind your vote on drew please?

BM seems ontop of this game.

Though I don't get the pivot to PP. The two competing wagons for like all of day 1 were scum, really?

PP isn't certain but I definitely wanna run him up. He's a slippery critter, best to deal with his slot early, and it's really down to him and Nash anyway for the final slot.

[PenguinPower]

I don't want to devolve this into a playstyle discussion, but....you're wrong.

Rant away in MD.

I'm sure you don't want to get into a playstyle discussion given your ethos of not reading the game.

Correct. I play by gut/tone and votes. Reading stuff from when I wasn't here doesn't really help.

If you want to help, you can point out what you're referring to for your argument otherwise I'm just going to ignore it.