Newbie 2016: Snapdragons (Game Over)

[ClarkBar]

I expressed intent, so Porkens has the the opportunity.

[Raya36]

What would be the best move as town?

Not worry so much about what people thought of LL and not worry so much about being lynched to put up an innocence act. To get as many reads out as possible to help if you were to be flipped

[Battle Mage]

Yes, don't let Blair know but I think you were the best player in Newbie 2013.

And this is a really, really poor post.

WTF dude

Just hammering the joke that I'm offended by Jam's low opinion of me in that game. Of course he would have a low opinion of my play and of course you were the best player that game.

Aww shucks!

@Battle Mage,

Who do you look at if Porkens flips Town? You still going to go after me? Or is your read on me DEPENDENT on LL?

It was largely dependent on LL originally, though now I think you're independently scummier than he is, aside from the fakeclaim stuff. It's a moot point as LL/Porkens is obvscum due to the fakeclaim, retraction and then re-retraction. Your progression around the LL-claim and subsequently has been extraordinarily scummy, you have barely done anything of value despite being an SE who posts frequently and clearly has time to spend on the game, you are lazily parroting a vote on me which you haven't given a meaningful reason for (besides OMGUS) and you've been super-defensive ever since I first suggested you could be scum with Porkens.

[Battle Mage]

Hey, Raya. Fuck LuckyLuciano. I'm pretty sure he's just faking his outrage because he has no other tools in his skillset as scum. Him faking a PR was weak.

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• Currently, flip preferences are: 36% LuckyLuciano or Battle Mage | 26% 72offsuit, JamSV, or ThirteenthJT | 16% LicketyQuickety | 12% ClarkBar | 10% Raya.

VOTE: LuckyLuciano

Thank you
Opinions from those with the most experience on whether or not Lucky should fully claim?

I'm amazed he hasn't claimed already.

Well he was never at E-1 with intent so I'm more surprised there was any claim in the first place. I do find it very scummy that he was willing to claim he was a town PR but refused to claim what PR. I mean now that he claimed he was a PR he was obviously going to be the NK target. So saying his specific role only would've helped town. Actually with this logic Porkens should probably full claim.

what do you think of Porkens hinting that he is a PR after all?

[Battle Mage]

there we go, I'm caught up! Definitive readslist pending...

[Raya36]

Hey, Raya. Fuck LuckyLuciano. I'm pretty sure he's just faking his outrage because he has no other tools in his skillset as scum. Him faking a PR was weak.

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• Currently, flip preferences are: 36% LuckyLuciano or Battle Mage | 26% 72offsuit, JamSV, or ThirteenthJT | 16% LicketyQuickety | 12% ClarkBar | 10% Raya.

VOTE: LuckyLuciano

Thank you
Opinions from those with the most experience on whether or not Lucky should fully claim?

I'm amazed he hasn't claimed already.

Well he was never at E-1 with intent so I'm more surprised there was any claim in the first place. I do find it very scummy that he was willing to claim he was a town PR but refused to claim what PR. I mean now that he claimed he was a PR he was obviously going to be the NK target. So saying his specific role only would've helped town. Actually with this logic Porkens should probably full claim.

what do you think of Porkens hinting that he is a PR after all?

What choice does he have?

[LicketyQuickety]

It was largely dependent on LL originally, though now I think you're independently scummier than he is, aside from the fakeclaim stuff. It's a moot point as LL/Porkens is obvscum due to the fakeclaim, retraction and then re-retraction. Your progression around the LL-claim and subsequently has been extraordinarily scummy, you have barely done anything of value despite being an SE who posts frequently and clearly has time to spend on the game, you are lazily parroting a vote on me which you haven't given a meaningful reason for (besides OMGUS) and you've been super-defensive ever since I first suggested you could be scum with Porkens.

Nope. Haven't been defensive. And being defensive isn't a Scum tell either.

I have a pretty clear progression on LL and you making it out to be bogus just shows more and more that you are Scum. You tried saying you were not keeping up to date with post in the very post you were being up to date with. I laid out my reasons for you being Scum already which haven't proven false. In fact, you pretty much confirmed it yourself. I don't see you being able to weasel out of a LL/LQ team at this point. You're pretty much stuck with it since I called you out.

Good luck lynching me, you're going to need it.

[LicketyQuickety]

Like, I ALMOST want to say if Porkens flips Scum, go ahead and Elim me.

P.S. I kinda hate calling it Elim.

[Battle Mage]

Towniest
TheThirteenthJT
JamSV
Raya36
72offsuit
ClarkBar
Looker
Lickety Quickety
Porkens
Scummiest

Convinced the scumpair is Lickety Quickety and Porkens. Reads subject to change depending on flips, but that's where I am now.

Grateful if, before going to night, people can give comments on Quick, in particular his progression on LL which I highlighted in post 789 (noting that now he claims LL is null).

[LicketyQuickety]

@Raya36,

Any way I can talk you off the ledge to vote for Scumbro BM?

[Battle Mage]

Hey, Raya. Fuck LuckyLuciano. I'm pretty sure he's just faking his outrage because he has no other tools in his skillset as scum. Him faking a PR was weak.

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• Currently, flip preferences are: 36% LuckyLuciano or Battle Mage | 26% 72offsuit, JamSV, or ThirteenthJT | 16% LicketyQuickety | 12% ClarkBar | 10% Raya.

VOTE: LuckyLuciano

Thank you
Opinions from those with the most experience on whether or not Lucky should fully claim?

I'm amazed he hasn't claimed already.

Well he was never at E-1 with intent so I'm more surprised there was any claim in the first place. I do find it very scummy that he was willing to claim he was a town PR but refused to claim what PR. I mean now that he claimed he was a PR he was obviously going to be the NK target. So saying his specific role only would've helped town. Actually with this logic Porkens should probably full claim.

what do you think of Porkens hinting that he is a PR after all?

What choice does he have?

This isn't really an answer. Please try again.

[Raya36]

@Raya36,

Any way I can talk you off the ledge to vote for Scumbro BM?

Absolutely not but you can try

[LicketyQuickety]

@Raya36,

Any way I can talk you off the ledge to vote for Scumbro BM?

Absolutely not but you can try

Okay, What about my case on BM isn't true?

[Raya36]

Can you give me your case all in one post

[Battle Mage]

It was largely dependent on LL originally, though now I think you're independently scummier than he is, aside from the fakeclaim stuff. It's a moot point as LL/Porkens is obvscum due to the fakeclaim, retraction and then re-retraction. Your progression around the LL-claim and subsequently has been extraordinarily scummy, you have barely done anything of value despite being an SE who posts frequently and clearly has time to spend on the game, you are lazily parroting a vote on me which you haven't given a meaningful reason for (besides OMGUS) and you've been super-defensive ever since I first suggested you could be scum with Porkens.

Nope. Haven't been defensive.

Lie

And being defensive isn't a Scum tell either.

Depends on context - I've given it above.

I have a pretty clear progression on LL and you making it out to be bogus just shows more and more that you are Scum.

your progression is definitely not "pretty clear"; it's "impossible to justify as town" - as evidenced by the fact you haven't been able to justify it

You tried saying you were not keeping up to date with post in the very post you were being up to date with.

I read the game through from the start, as you've seen. You made this point earlier, and I explained why it isn't valid.

I laid out my reasons for you being Scum already which haven't proven false.

I think aside from the above, it boiled down to the fact you didn't like me calling out the weird interaction between you and LL? Was there more I missed, or is this simply a lie?

In fact, you pretty much confirmed it yourself.

Confirmed what, where?

I don't see you being able to weasel out of a LL/LQ team at this point.

It's pretty obvious I'm not looking to "weasel out of a LL/LQ team". Why would I want to?

You're pretty much stuck with it since I called you out.

I can't believe you're an SE.

Good luck lynching me, you're going to need it.

UNVOTE:

VOTE: Lickety Quickety

Inconceivable this slot is town, and I'd rather lynch it today as Porkens is a dead-duck.

[Battle Mage]

Can you give me your case all in one post

Give him a chance to write one. And while he does, care to join me in lynching Porkens scumbuddy?

[Battle Mage]

Quick today, Pork tomorrow, game over.

[Raya36]

No. We get Porkens today. Why lynch who you think Porkens buddy is before confirming Porkens is scum

[ClarkBar]

I'm kind of in a melancholy funk, sorry if I seem quiet.

I guess my issue with Quick/LL is that I have to take into account that those two players may really dislike each other. The history between them may have played a large part in Quick's attitude towards LL, and when the player was replaced that led to a change in attitude towards the slot. I think LL meta was even the original reason Quick had for voting him.

I'm not discounting this scum team, I just don't love it. I want Porkens first.

[Raya36]

Vote for Porken's then Clark. He's at E-2 now

[ClarkBar]

And I will tell you, I was excited to be the hammer. I've never done it before, I was going to post a M.C. Hammer "hammer time" gif and everything. But we had people like Looker and BM who were still catching up/giving reactions and so I was being patient. And then it turned out my vote math was wrong. If somebody claims intent I would actually request they let me unvote, then they put Pork at L-1 so I can then hammer.

My dream was in reach and I let it slip through my fingers.

VOTE: Porkens

[ClarkBar]

E-1^ just to be clear.

[JamSV]

And I will tell you, I was excited to be the hammer. I've never done it before, I was going to post a M.C. Hammer "hammer time" gif and everything. But we had people like Looker and BM who were still catching up/giving reactions and so I was being patient. And then it turned out my vote math was wrong. If somebody claims intent I would actually request they let me unvote, then they put Pork at L-1 so I can then hammer.

My dream was in reach and I let it slip through my fingers.

VOTE: Porkens

E-1^ just to be clear.

I've had one vote target all game thus far, who's excited for me to have been right thus far?

[Porkens]

Towniest
TheThirteenthJT
JamSV
Raya36
72offsuit
ClarkBar
Looker
Lickety Quickety
Porkens
Scummiest

Convinced the scumpair is Lickety Quickety and Porkens. Reads subject to change depending on flips, but that's where I am now.

Grateful if, before going to night, people can give comments on Quick, in particular his progression on LL which I highlighted in post 789 (noting that now he claims LL is null).

You are so full of it BM Your entire catchup is spewing noise, and you should be hanged tomorrow when I flip town.

I’m the most dangerous role to scum in this setup.
Vanilla Town.

VOTE: Battlemage

[JamSV]

Towniest
TheThirteenthJT
JamSV
Raya36
72offsuit
ClarkBar
Looker
Lickety Quickety
Porkens
Scummiest

Convinced the scumpair is Lickety Quickety and Porkens. Reads subject to change depending on flips, but that's where I am now.

Grateful if, before going to night, people can give comments on Quick, in particular his progression on LL which I highlighted in post 789 (noting that now he claims LL is null).

You are so full of it BM Your entire catchup is spewing noise, and you should be hanged tomorrow when I flip town.

I’m the most dangerous role to scum in this setup.
Vanilla Town.

VOTE: Battlemage

Once again, you said you wouldn't bother defending yourself. Claiming is worthless. You came in boisterously, saying you won't defend yourself and will only scum hunt. You've realised, that you don't have a play to get out of this as scum, that you'll get hung, and are using a last ditch effort to save yourself.