Newbie 2016: Snapdragons (Game Over)

[JamSV]

I'm rather curious.

I'm going through your ISO currently. But a quick summary of what I'm seeing. It is based on your stance of LL/Porkens as well as your stance on replacement players. You defend LL hard and slowly worked your way to turning on them. But you teased a vote multiple times and it wasn't until you realized you weren't the hammer that you finally jumped on the wagon. Basically it comes down that you wanted any reason to join the wagon but we're too afraid to hammer so shied away.

Yes, my opinion of LL did change, even after the claim. But several opinions of mine changed while rereading for 465 and if more clarity on my thought process is needed I'm happy to oblige.

Did I defend LL hard? I just didn't mind his push on Blopp and thought the ART was not as reachy as some were implying. I turned on him pretty fast actually. What's my stance on replacement players and why is it bad?

And I will tell you, I was excited to be the hammer. I've never done it before, I was going to post a M.C. Hammer "hammer time" gif and everything. But we had people like Looker and BM who were still catching up/giving reactions and so I was being patient. And then it turned out my vote math was wrong. If somebody claims intent I would actually request they let me unvote, then they put Pork at L-1 so I can then hammer.

Would anybody else have done this?

[Battle Mage]

By the way, this might be a pain for some, I actually town lean Porkens. I was simply very very curious to see how a hammer would play out. One of the annoying things about when people post the minutes around their own hammer, is you can get a very good indicator of their role and alignment. I wanted to test who would actually hammer Porkens.
VOTE: ClarkBar
Sorry bud.

PS- I'm very sorry for the insults @Porkens, I wanted to make it seem more genuine.

Spoiler: I would have hammered Porkens

[JamSV]

I can see any one of Looker, Clark, 13 being teamed with BM.

I think got 2 names mixed up.
I can see any one of Looker, BM, 13 being teamed with Clark.

[Raya36]

Raya are you all caught up?

Just caught up now and I'm not happy with the turn of events on Porkens. I don't want Clark eliminated. I'm very confident Porkens is scum

[TheThirteenthJT]

Porkens has been on the fence for hammering this slot for a while now and a few times looked to be close. You never called it out then but why now?

This is very weird especially for me because I do scumlean Clark more than Porkens.

So you were encouraging the player you scumread more than me to hammer me?

Encouraging is a strong word here. Theyve stated intent and really wanted to hammer. I was ready to hammer you but wanted Clark to unvote so I could e-1 you and them hanner. This feels almost unavoidable at this point.if I e-1 right now I miss out on Jamsv turn of events but I assure you it's coming.

I've explained a few times how I think your turn is the most beneficial for the town. A scum there's one left to go. As town, provides a depth of analysis as well as prevents scum from keeping you around and pushing suspicions ok n to you again later down the road.

You should really be seeing the benefits of your turn if you are town but you keep fighting it. Even when you said you were here tof and scum not defend yourself.

[Raya36]

Somebody else get on the Porkens wagon

The difficulty to get this through should be telling enough

[Porkens]

You think Clark is scummier than me but you aren’t voting for Clark

[Porkens]

Somebody else get on the Porkens wagon

The difficulty to get this through should be telling enough

Stop you are going to make yourself look scummy and then they will get you tomorrow.

[Battle Mage]

I'm done for today I think. Wake me up when we're lynching Quick or Pork, otherwise I'm not interested.

[Raya36]

Somebody else get on the Porkens wagon

The difficulty to get this through should be telling enough

Stop you are going to make yourself look scummy and then they will get you tomorrow.

I won't look scummy when you flip scum

[Porkens]

Somebody else get on the Porkens wagon

The difficulty to get this through should be telling enough

Stop you are going to make yourself look scummy and then they will get you tomorrow.

I won't look scummy when you flip scum

No, in that case I’d agree. I don’t think you’d bus a parter like this. I guess I could be wrong about that though. Sadly not going to work out that way.

[TheThirteenthJT]

VOTE: porkens

You arent looking at my point here.

I've been 100% on scum voting when they've been elimnated. Hammered both times lol. I really want to continue my stream (maybe not hammering this time.)

[JamSV]

VOTE: Porkens
Stole it

[Raya36]

Somebody else get on the Porkens wagon

The difficulty to get this through should be telling enough

Stop you are going to make yourself look scummy and then they will get you tomorrow.

I won't look scummy when you flip scum

No, in that case I’d agree. I don’t think you’d bus a parter like this. I guess I could be wrong about that though. Sadly not going to work out that way.

Still playing the innocent card. You keep saying you're town but your play indicates scum

[ClarkBar]

I don't understand 875.

[Porkens]

Porkens has been on the fence for hammering this slot for a while now and a few times looked to be close. You never called it out then but why now?

This is very weird especially for me because I do scumlean Clark more than Porkens.

VOTE: porkens

You arent looking at my point here.

I've been 100% on scum voting when they've been elimnated. Hammered both times lol. I really want to continue my stream (maybe not hammering this time.)

[TheThirteenthJT]

I've allowed everyone to say their peace now. Jamsv you put yourself in a bad spot here at the end. You were my top town read for not waiverinf your stance.

[JamSV]

I don't understand 875.

Sorry bud.

[ClarkBar]

Jam, that's pretty cold.

[JamSV]

I've allowed everyone to say their peace now. Jamsv you put yourself in a bad spot here at the end. You were my top town read for not waiverinf your stance.

Do we really think scum would unvote here when they could get such a free bus?

[Porkens]

VOTE: Porkens
Stole it

This is so bad.

I still think this is town, but a policy hanging is not out of order.

[TheThirteenthJT]

Even worse spot with that hammer.

[Porkens]

I've allowed everyone to say their peace now. Jamsv you put yourself in a bad spot here at the end. You were my top town read for not waiverinf your stance.

already knows

I’m going to flip town.

[TheThirteenthJT]

Jamsv and Porkens twam anyone?

[JamSV]

Really hope Porkens aint green now