Varsoon has your read on me evolved at all or is this the same read from the nomination 1 phase?
Also we have already mislynched so we are sort of behind right now. Easy or hard we really don't want to mislynch again.
I am trying to think of Dunnstrals buddy and I am still leaning towards Dunnstral?
Elbrin is starting to be a better look I like the way he asked me to vote him, it felt rather town that he was approaching it in basically the same way I was going to.
I am still unsure why Hellbook isn't an acceptable lynch I don't really town read them either
With 6 players alive, it takes 4 to decide an execution via majority.
Deadline is in (expired on 2020-07-15 00:34:22), at which point the execution will be decided via plurality.
With no clear plurality, the mafia team will privately break any ties.
In post 550, Yukino wrote:I am trying to think of Dunnstrals buddy and I am still leaning towards Dunnstral?
Yes, I suspect if Dunnstal is scum, they're probably on the same team as Dunnstral. (I also get what you meant with this sentence; that you're coming up blank with who Dunn's scumbuddy would be but you still scumread Dunn, it's just funny to read it as you thinking Dunn might be scum with Dunn.)
Anyway.
My read on you has really, really waned since D1, especially with the Raya townflip and your voting in the last bit of time there.
The problem is that, well
I don't really have much to go on this game and no matter what, I keep seeing myself having such low-confidence lynches that two more mislynches are inevitable
And that kinda sucks to think about.
Raya flipping town basically makes me think one of two things:
1. Pooky's slot is scum. But I'm not going to ever go back on my townread there, so I can't accept this.
2. Scum was definitely outside of the pool yesterday, meaning scum is in the Elbirn or Yukino slot.
But then I have to think:
Was Nash just open-scumming with how they were playing?
And I've already discussed my confidence in townreading Yukino wavering a lot.
And at the same time, I like Elbirn, so I don't really wanna lynch Elbirn.
So then it's like
Ugh.
What do I even do?
Do I just go with the Nash/Elbirn lynch 'cus that's the best shit I've got right now?
I'm just not in a good headspace here.
P-EDIT: Hey, wait, dawg, didn't I try to fake-claim masons with you one time? iirc I was scum and you were town that game, but big shrugs
In post 555, Varsoon wrote:Raya flipping town basically makes me think one of two things:
1. Pooky's slot is scum. But I'm not going to ever go back on my townread there, so I can't accept this.
2. Scum was definitely outside of the pool yesterday, meaning scum is in the Elbirn or Yukino slot.
Okay so run me through this
Prologue: why do either of these things follow from rays flip?
1. If this follows from rayas flip you ought accept the possibility, bro. What makes pooky an irrefutable townread for you?
Basically, when I was looking at the ways people would be aligned in teams and what made sense:
Raya couldn't be scum with DkKoba/Pooky--I was confident in a redflip from DkKoba that would solidify a townread on Raya, but we obviously didn't go that route.
DkKoba/Pooky and Hellbooks actually have a lot of patterns of being likely allies. DkKoba was generally willing to let Hellbooks slide with a lot of the same low-effort stuff they were critical of elsewhere. Felt inconsistent to me.
Otherwise, though, the Raya execution was pushed through by Varsoon, Elbirn, Yukino, PookyTheMagicalBear. I'm town. Yukino and you (Elbirn) were both outside of the pool yesterday.
As for:
1. If I scumread there and push it, it'll result in a ban. If I get banned, then my slot is removed from the game and town's much likelier to lose. Even then, I readily acknowledge that my read was hugely biased by playstyle indicators and while, I, Varsoon, the player, hold that playstyle is entirely what people should be judged on, I also realize that I was taking umbrage with what could very well just be an approach from town that I don't like at all. If I just tell myself, "Nope, I don't want to go down the RadiantCowbells road again" and I just townread the slot forever, then I never have to worry about it.
2. Welp.
Like yeah there's a very real possibility that scum is just Pooky-Hellbooks but I'm never gonna catch that team because I'm too cucked by past mistakes.
If this game had a night kill, I feel like I would be left alive because I'm actively leading town in the wrong directions.
My issue is that it seems like no one else is really taking charge or trying to figure things out.
It bums me right the fuck out.
I mean I really don't know how anyone can engage with this given the stonewall of "the slot is just town even though they're probably not because of some clear as mud reasons that mean bad things ban bla bla oh no im elbirn and ive forgotten language i cant even mock varsoon properly blaaahhhh"
or hell I didnt even want to sound so dismissive of your point number 2, I mean I did because I know it's at least half nonsense because I'm town, and I've been townreading yukino, but convince me to believe in something man sell me uhhhh sell me on that yukino scumread man
Yukino feels like they're playing it safe and was especially absent post-nomination D1, then there was all that wagon chicanery at the last minute.
There are players other than me to engage with, homedawg mc dawg dawg.
But yeah, it's like:
Dunnstral - Not bringing their A-game, feels phoned in, feels scum despite having a start I was confident in.
Yukino - Had a decent pre-nomination D1, then proceeded to just disappear and play sloppy.
Hellbrooks - Off the cuff, generally not amazing play but more towny-apparent than everyone else, but could just be scum chilling.
Nash - Elbirn - Sloppy as hell pre-nomination D1, replaced out, and you're just kinda around but not making any waves either.
DkKoba - Pooky - Was absolutely convinced this was scum, the Raya townflip should convince me even more, but I also felt like when I was pushing there, no one else at all wanted to join me on this wagon, there was SO MUCH fucking resistance and Pooky's played in a way where I can't even push them without getting into rhetorical semantics and being frustrated with the whole thing.
Basically, if I had to realistically tier stuff out right now?
I'd be looking for scum in Elbirn/Pooky.
But I've got a lot of personal issues with doing that because
1. I was driving the game D1, no one gave a SHIT about my whole case on the Pooky slot except for Pooky, who had reasons I hate for why I shouldn't be pushing it--then I compromised by executing out Raya who flipped town, so my reads confidence is absolute trash right now.
2. It feels like no one else is even playing this game most of the time. I want to give you space and time to DO SOMETHING to give me confidence in reading your slot, Elbirn, but you really haven't and I can't even hold you that accountable because the same applies to EVERY SLOT IN THIS GAME.
Basically, I think the core mechanic of this game is a wash and, at least here, has killed a lot of player engagement.
So long as all players are on the chopping block for Execution, it gives intrinsic motivation to play the game.
Simply playing to wincon isn't enough to motivate lazy-ass town.
Scum wins by default.
In post 568, Varsoon wrote:Basically, I think the core mechanic of this game is a wash and, at least here, has killed a lot of player engagement.
So long as all players are on the chopping block for Execution, it gives intrinsic motivation to play the game.
Simply playing to wincon isn't enough to motivate lazy-ass town.
Scum wins by default.
Or
Scum outside the chopping block don't have to give a shit because the days execution is guaranteed town
"I can't even look at the game anymore.
That evil teddy bear has got everyone twirling by his thumb.
It's like witnessing an slow but unavoidable train crash you can't stop."
-Norwee
"Please refrain from diverting our sleuths out there Pooky."
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