Open 785: Secrets of the Anuket Topaz [Game over!]

[northsidegal]

Votecount 1.16

RCEnigma

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(3):

Eevee (292), Snowblaze (415), Menalque (433)

HoldenGolden

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(3):

Umlaut (402), Raya36 (495), Fredrick A Campbell (498)

Menalque

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(2):

HoldenGolden (129), Ydrasse (182)

Raya36

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(1):

RCEnigma (497)

Not Voting

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(4):

Something_Smart, Chemist1422, Mohab500 (51), Almost50 (235)

With 13 alive, it’s 7 to lynch. The Day 1 deadline is in (expired on 2020-07-14 12:17:59).

[HoldenGolden]

You’ve been reading for like 2 days holden I want content

I'm at page 18. I dont sadly have the luxuries of uninterrupted reading time right now. So once I'm back from hauling goat shit I'll post stuff.

[Mohab500]

I would give a speech about not rushing but since we only have three days, I need you guys to speak up. For me, the RCE wagon still seems OK to me. This is fairly hypocritical of me but the low presence or inactive players as well as the replace-outs probably have the bulk of scum in them. I'll evaluate later in more detail and give more precise reads. VOTE: RCEngima for now.

[Mohab500]

I still don't understand the Holden wagon, though.

[Something_Smart]

Why is no-one interested in playing this game?

One can only wonder.

What are your overall thoughts on the gamestate?

[Menalque]

Scum aren’t really fighting me for control of the gamestate, which means that either they’re happy for me to lead as I’m wrong somewhere, or that they’re just the inactive slots but that there’s also enough inactive town slots that the game feels dead

[Ydrasse]

i trust whatever fredrick is doing right now with his voting methods. they're all over the place but it inspires joy.

menalque's efforts to provide cpr to this sluggish game also inspire joy.

i don't like either of the main wagons right now. rce kind of feels like the inevitable "yeah we can all throw our votes here for the sake of a wagon" vote without anyone like... thinking too hard about it. also it feels at odds with the idea that there's a lot of lurking scum which has been tossed around quite a bit. i get not wanting to vote on slots that don't have a lot of content/none at all but meh. i feel that the votes on holden have the potential to be people trying to follow up with this idea of coasting/inactive/etc etc scum while trying to get rid of a fairly towny voice under this premise? idk.

VOTE: raya36

can you pls provide me with a general progression of ur read on holden raya ty.

[Something_Smart]

Scum aren’t really fighting me for control of the gamestate, which means that either they’re happy for me to lead as I’m wrong somewhere, or that they’re just the inactive slots but that there’s also enough inactive town slots that the game feels dead

What is your case on RCE, in a nutshell?

[Menalque]

He doesn’t feel like when I’ve played with him before (where I think he’s been town in every game we’ve had together?) and I feel like he is simultaneously producing content and yet not interested in solving the game

[Menalque]

Ydrasse r u trying to pocket me by just asking the exact same questions as me?

[Ydrasse]

Ydrasse r u trying to pocket me by just asking the exact same questions as me?

Spoiler:

get in.

no though, it's just the product of me sitting down and making myself think through this game a bit. honestly it's a bit demoralizing of an experience but i think a lot of people share that sentiment atm? so, no better way to get rid of that by... actually participating, lmao.

[HoldenGolden]

Spoiler: big stupid wall

craig is exactly null for me

I wouldn't kill that slot until he starts playing or indicates that's not a thing that's going to happen

Ah man, chemist actually got it (although I disagree with he hadn't done anything yet worth to read on that front.)

Light town read for this and the rest of chems posts up to this point. Mainly the felt loose tonally with their posts in a manner different than then what I've witness before with scum!chemist mutiple times.

Craig i'm guessing you're suggesting Ydrasse is taking the easy approach that scum would which is go for the lynchbait Craigy and not comment on surrounding stuff which is harder to comment on as scum
my townpings on her is for tone rn though

~Eve

I really dislike this post. This is a preemptive defense before even hearing the reason why craig was suspecting Ydrasse while interjecting their own. Craig already admitted that he wasnt going to give away the reason prior to getting his answers, so I'm not sure why town!eevee would be that eager to try and influence his stance at that moment.

It also weirdly proposes the reason, but then gives the defense on something unrelated (tone).

Catching up now, my initial impression of the game is that

Craig Pelton

Holden is very townie, probably my top TR

I fixed this for you

What is going on with this game full of replace outs...

Quick reads: HoldenGolden - I like the flow of this guy's posts if that makes sense? also get the impression scum wouldn't really do flavour like this as to not attract attention (esp. with that point raya mentioned about scum getting lynched having heavy stakes), so I think this slot is town.

Since this is a hot topic, Craig is null, waiting for the our replacement dude to hit us up with some of posts.

Eevee - Don't like their reads or style atm, thoughts do seem a bit genuine though so not sure what to think here. I guess I've seen this more from town rather than scum, so a slight town-lean here.

Umlaut - Doesn't have a lot of posts but I think I can see some solving and content coming out from them even in so little posts. Probably still needs more posting so so far I'd just say I am leaning town on this one (again).

RCEnigma - Seem to be focused on the game mechanics (which I am actually still somewhat confused about?) but yeah they don't have much else to say regarding anything else. This is more of a gut feeling but I am not a fan of this obsession with the mechanics, feel a little like they side-step reading or other discussions in favour of the mechanics stuff. Wouldn't be surprised if this flipped scum.

everyone else is probably null here, so far.

Given the context of the thread when this was made, I strongly am bothered by the Ulmant and eevee weak reads. At the time, both of them were teetering on people's town list. The reads have clauses to discount the town lean (needs to post more/dont line the reads slash playstyle respectively) built within them. Put together, I can see scum!mohab making this list given how flexible it is with the thread's opinion without committing to anything besides me (despite feeling scumvibes from RC there wasn't a vote).

RCEnigma do you actually think Porkens was the towniest player in the game when you replaced him? why if so?

While people are crediting Raya with moving out of rvs, Porkens had the first vote of substance. Even if calling out fluff is just surface level it's still a prod worth acknowledging.

I dont mind the arguement that porky technically started the transition out of RVS, but it falls apart when you consider porky's response back to votato shutted the discussion down.

Also show not tell.

*There was suppose to be a post here by Ulmant, but I guess I didnt click it. Anyways I'm feeling town vibes from Ulmant. For example, His read over craig is actually substantial rather than something generic like "too scummy to be scum".

So for anyone who didn’t already know: I am Craig Pelton. Craig Pelton is me. I wanted to play in the community game but after that got cancelled and I received the invitation, I figured I’d just use it in this game instead. I wasn’t planning on outing at any point, but I accidentally posted in another game as Pelton thereby outing my identity and thought it was a little unfair on anyone not aware of that to lose out on the bonus info

This is a troubling development. Menalque would certainly open wolf as scum and the town lean stuff for wagon choice is now null at best.

This post doesn't sit right with me and it's hard to describe why. The easiest way I think is that it sounds like a theater kid high on pixie dust and is being unnecessary dramatic over your friend's shoes.

Aka I find the whole Craig->Mena progression sounding artificial tonally if that makes sense?

Reachy yes, but did we not get out of rvs?

sure but are you now claiming that was your original intention rather than actually thinking it was suspicious from Holden?

~Eve

Yes. It stood out to me most in the rvs phase though

Why is your vote still on Holden then?

This was actually a fairly good observation.

Fwiw I don't think Frederick is with snow or ydrasse. Feel less strongly about Frederick not being with menalque.

Strongly believe menalque is not with snow or ydrasse since I know that he would know this is an anti-bus setup.

I dont have an issue per say over the association reads considering how the have been presented (criticism tho yes).

However his lack of actually assigning individual reads to them is more alarming. He does eventually with frederick, but despite his focus on the mena slot, I don't see really a clear expression of his stance post replace in.

I’m starting to scumlean Fredrick a bit now. His play feels slightly different from the newbie game we played, and I don’t like how he voted for me based on meta without checking my scum games beforehand.

But he does have a point that I should probably be voting by now. VOTE: Fredrick A Campbell

Meta killed the mafia star

Really wish I was there for the moment, but slightly different how?

Bear with me since I rarely play setups besides the Newbie one, but is Holden being post-restricted? I don't remember which game it was that had a player similarly bound by pirate-speak.

in contrast to Mohab's setup question - this i like

Homura usually plays newbie games and she's apparently played in game where a player had a pirate speak post restriction before so this is a legitimate question to ask
it being a legitimate question means she could've asked it in her scum PT or not suspected it in the first place if scum have said soemthing about the open setup in there

it's minor High Seas points to Homura - let's just say 1 actually i don't do halves

~Eve

I would like to point out that mafia doesn't have daytalk and Homura thus couldn't have asked it in the scum PT. Also, scum might not have said anything about the open setup in there, causing what we observed.

*this is a catch all for most of fredericks posts and my stance on them.

I actually like the short to the point posting style fredrick had. The effectiveness of his reaction tests are questionable, but that's besides the point. I dont think scum would adopt such a narrowed playstyle. Further, his flinging around without much hesitation is likely to be town as well.

The dumbtell is meh. There is some value in how it was used as a side comment rather than a direct question. Not really a major factor for me though.

These 3 had good tone and I mindmelded on the first two

How could you mindmeld on the first one(!?)

I know Eve hates dumbtells, and while I think I'm more lenient on them, it seems unrealistic Mohab thought there were power roles in this game? It feels like Mohab didn't read the setup at all, so then why did he choose to play this game? Many questions.

~Eva

Are those questions really AI though?

Dumbtells individually are annoying to analyze because what are you going to do? Get the person to admit they actually knew the set up and was pretending to be a old sweet grandma who needed a youthful whippersnapper for help? Would you say, for example, scum replacing in would know who their predecessor was and thus wouldnt shade their own slot? Wrong, been there and done it by general accident. Its NAI. Do you think the "dumbtells" are being excessive however is a better train of thought.

Back to the point:

The bottom half feels like a trump tweet; it comes off as shade rather than actually trying to sort the dumbtell. More importantly, eevee already inquired pages prior to this asking mohab about their lack of knowledge about the set up. There should of been more progression, imo, if town!eevee is going back to that point here. Something like: "Mohab ignored responding to my point over the lack of set up info and proceeded to make another dumbtell while trying to catch up. I think this is scummy because x,y,z". Instead there just is a noncommittal hyping over discussing the dumb tell.

UNVOTE: Fredrick A Campbell,

since that remark apparently wasn't a scumsl

ip. Not sure who to vote for next; I'm slightly concerned I may have too many townreads.

Woah what? That wasnt at all why you said you were voting him. You said that it was a meta reason and his butchering of a meta analysis on you?

Scum points for apperent over justification during the fredrick vote

hello i have finally decided to try and dig my claws into this game but it has in fact meant the claws ended up in my brain. it's late here but i'll be here before work tomorrow.

@rc: can you walk me through your read on eevee. there seems to be a Moment (238/239) where you're speculating that they're scum/on a specific team and then throw them into a no-elimination pile in 262. what caused that turnaround?

@eevee: is meta the sole reason that snowblaze gets a little scum ping for having reads so early on? (145) you liked when umlaut provided a reads list that had little to substantiate it. (101) so i guess i don't see how the situations distinguish themselves from one another save for the meta...?

@fredrick: what reasons do you think i would have for not posting here as much? (303)


p-edit: i was already trying to read through this game pls

I like this post a lot for town. The points raised here feel detailed enough to be hard to simply skim and make up. The neutral tone as well is organic rather than a robotically forced stance mafia makes sometimes (RC, Eevee). The fredrick question also feels to be trying an attempt to sorting him so decent post all around.

*the fredrick Ydrasse interaction following the question also feels TvT.

Would you explain where that vote is coming from?

Feel like Holden has very much disappeared from the game as a presence after having done just enough to seem like town + he’s voting me which is a wagon I would expect a scum to have gotten on

I don’t particularly want to control the game here but people need to stop fucking around on 2 person wagons and get to voting some people up

My candidate is Holden. Get onboard or tell me why I’m wrong

That’s @evwryone

Spicyyyyyy

The tone is NAI, but I like the push onto me in theory. I think the call out was fair since I forgot to openly declare that I was VLA in this thread. The only hiccup I have with it is the lack of going back and explaining why my vote on craig was bad based on what I gave rather than the generic "scum would vote me".

In other news, getting the game moving is definitely a cause I can get behind. Not sure about Holden specifically, though: he's been inactive in another game I'm playing with him, and the activity tracker does show he's V/LA, so in this case it's probably NAI. And I do seem to remember townleaning him off his earlier content.


I also have townreads or -leans to some extent on Umlaut, Fredrick, Eevee, Menalque and Chemist... that's not actually as many as I thought.

So, who do I vote for?

Sujimichi has precisely one post with no AI content at all
Mohab500 also has relatively little AI content, which is slightly more concerning given her higher post count. I'm okay with her reads post, although none of it is exactly controversial.

RCEnigma does actually have some useful content, which is nice. I'm not getting a townread from any of it, though, and I am curious: if you're trusting Eevee's townlean on Homura, why do you not feel the same way about their read on Ydrasse? (202)

Speaking of Ydrasse, I don't really have any particularly strong feelings either way on her. I do feel slightly sympathetic as I'm kind of in a similar position (first non-newbie game, struggling to get into it properly) but that is an objectively bad reason to townread someone.

Raya I was vaguely townleaning earlier, but I'm not really so sure now, I haven't really seen the follow-up I was looking for.

Homura/Almost50 have very little AI content between them.

VOTE: RCEnigma, for lack of any better ideas. If anyone has a case against someone I'm not townreading, let me know!

Brrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr the washing machine goes brrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

Fluff. Everything outside the townleans are fluff almost. Even his defense of me is fluff.

In the meantime, how about a vote for Holden?

How about a vote for Chemist1422?

No. Chemist is literally the laziest vote you could be making in this playlist and trying to read him off activity tells is shit and never works. Also chemist has lowkey towntold this game

How? and why? I can agree that using activity as the main reason to push is a little excessive

(seeing as activity is a major point for most of the players here), but I don't see why they are the worst possible push?

This implies that you dont like fredricks pushes which are due in part to activity. If you town read him, why?

Also really disappointed in the constant replace outs, I know I would've done the same if I had something that made me busy (in fact, I am still considering replacing out atm), but it's hard for me to form any reads properly when the player changes midway.

Honestly unsure of what to do at the moment. can someone provide a summary of what the fuck happened in the last few pages? I don't understand what's going on anymore.

From what I understand: push on holden initially makes sense, but seeing as they're apparently V/LA, shouldn't be a cause for a push anymore.

i feel like you're LAMISTing and dumbslipping so much more than i'm used to from you - like it doesn't feel natural that you're so lost
other than the Holden debacle is there anything else you're confused about?

Menalque you still want to push Holden now knowing he's V/LA? he is btw - i checked

~Eve

Hmm, and now they actually address the dumbtelling in a good way.

Eve head is townie and the Eva head is scummy; might go back later and see if anything the Eve head said gives me scum vibes.

Personally I would like to guillotine in the pool of {Snow, RC, and one of Mohab/eevee).

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Snowvlazer

I really dislike the read progression issue snow had with fredrick. Snow votes fredrick over concerns about a meta difference and fredricks usage of meta against him. This then differs from his later unvote reasoning of the day talk point not being a scum slip. The slip never actually solves the core issues that snow had with fredrick, so the flip feels as if scum!snow recognize the threads stance on a dumbtell and wanted to back away. Additionally, his vote explaintion post for RC was filled with fluff wishy washy goodness for why everyone not label a townlean may not be scum.

Overall, it looks like a lot of over justification is coming from his slot to an unnatural amount. This is scum. Kill scum.

Need to reread eevee's posts for a eve head analysis, but there interaction with mohab feels scummy from the eva perspective. I dont particularly find mohab a bundle of town either though.

If someone town reads both of these players, please explain why to me

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[HoldenGolden]

Vote snow 2020. If you dont vote for snow, you arent invited to the christmas city raid.

[Almost50]

OK.. I think I need to intervene here: I am solidly against the RCE wagon. He is one of my 2 confident TRs. (Sorry, mate.. but keeping my TRs to myself is going to get you lynched.)

This is a mountainous (well, the "escape" mechanic is different, but it still is a Powerless setup, so let's call it an "altered mountainous)

People play differently when they know there are no PRs and I scum/town hunt accordingly too. (Like you can't accuse someone of "TPR hunting" in a mountainous. Right?)

Anyway, RCE was the one who called for your top TRs to NOT be outed. His attempt to protect global TRs by not announcing them to scum is Town indicative of the mindset he's playing the game under. It is minor things like this that I am mainly looking for on this format (rather than -say- looking for a crumb that may or may not be true)

[Almost50]

Btw, I had my eyes on the RCE slot as soon as I began my catch up for yet another silly reason:

second

First

These posts looked like they were "maybe" a slip. Like 2 scums talking in their PT and deciding to hit the main thread and one assumes the other beat them to posting and the other tries to cover it by turning it into a joke (crazy, I know.. but that's why they call me MONKEY). Even post #23 looked a bit odd of sorts under that assumption, but as soon as it was RCE in Porkens shoes all my illusions evaporated.

[Raya36]

I think Fredrick is ok. No slip there. Unless he backpedaled hard and successfully

Sorry guys, was really not engaged with this game yet and discouraged when I came in and couldn't find anything to comment on.

VOTE: Fredrick
Going to start off again with this

What was going on here, raya?

Me trying to re-engage myself

[Menalque]

I think Fredrick is ok. No slip there. Unless he backpedaled hard and successfully

Sorry guys, was really not engaged with this game yet and discouraged when I came in and couldn't find anything to comment on.

VOTE: Fredrick
Going to start off again with this

What was going on here, raya?

Me trying to re-engage myself

Okay but like why did you vote fredrick to do so?

[HoldenGolden]

His attempt to protect global TRs by not announcing them to scum is Town indicative of the mindset he's playing the game under

So you are saying his focus on association analysis for example stems from him wanting to avoid giving scum info?

[HoldenGolden]

I think Fredrick is ok. No slip there. Unless he backpedaled hard and successfully

Sorry guys, was really not engaged with this game yet and discouraged when I came in and couldn't find anything to comment on.

VOTE: Fredrick
Going to start off again with this

What was going on here, raya?

Me trying to re-engage myself

What do you think of my snow vote.

Engage with me

[Eevee]

Are those questions really AI though?

Dumbtells individually are annoying to analyze because what are you going to do? Get the person to admit they actually knew the set up and was pretending to be a old sweet grandma who needed a youthful whippersnapper for help? Would you say, for example, scum replacing in would know who their predecessor was and thus wouldnt shade their own slot? Wrong, been there and done it by general accident. Its NAI. Do you think the "dumbtells" are being excessive however is a better train of thought.

Back to the point:

The bottom half feels like a trump tweet; it comes off as shade rather than actually trying to sort the dumbtell. More importantly, eevee already inquired pages prior to this asking mohab about their lack of knowledge about the set up. There should of been more progression, imo, if town!eevee is going back to that point here. Something like: "Mohab ignored responding to my point over the lack of set up info and proceeded to make another dumbtell while trying to catch up. I think this is scummy because x,y,z". Instead there just is a noncommittal hyping over discussing the dumb tell.

I do think so, yes. There is clear motivation for scum to use dumbtells: "I don't know this crucial piece of information and/or I am very disoriented, therefore I can't be scum." I'm accusing Mohab of exactly that, because is it really likely for someone to think there were power roles in this game when the setup is on the first page, and they had to have seen it when they were signing up? And furthermore, why do they need to ask this question in thread other than to show people they don't know this piece of information? It isn't even helpful for solving.

I thought it was fairly clear what I meant as I summarised it as being "unnatural" and I don't like how you think this was scummy just because I didn't type this out.

~Eva

[Almost50]

His attempt to protect global TRs by not announcing them to scum is Town indicative of the mindset he's playing the game under

So you are saying his focus on association analysis for example stems from him wanting to avoid giving scum info?

Not sure what you're referring to by "his focus on association analysis", but I was referring precisely to this post:

That was a bad post and I encourage everyone to not follow my example. Please refrain from commenting on your top townreads. Town doesn't benefit from universal townreads today. Just focus on your scumreads pls ty.

[Umlaut]

Prodging again, sorry

UNVOTE: Holden
Liked his catch-up wall

[Fredrick A Campbell]

VOTE: Snowblaze

[Menalque]

Liked his catch-up wall

What did you like about it?

[Menalque]

I’m confused, why does town not benefit from universal TRs?