Newbie 2018: Ferrets [GAME OVER]

[clidd]

If you are referring to post 70, of course.

But, If you are talking about any other post in particular, just tell me which one is. I'll translate, if it really isn't understandable.

[clidd]

Hum.. You said in the plural, so it's probably a set of posts. I will try to reduce my esoteric tone.

[GuiltyLion]

Implying you're hesitant to vote for someone new in the same breath as you voted for someone new is a little contradictory, isn't it? And although this is a nitpick, the line also implies that if you scumread another new player, you wouldn't shift your vote.

Pearofclubs, can you give me more thoughts on why you think these things might be indicative?

I agree that saying that you're hesitant to vote a newbie, but then landing on voting him seems contradictory, but I think the explanation of realizing the difference between EM and MS makes sense, and I'd like to know why you think scumwould be more likely than town to wind up contradicting himself in that way.

[GuiltyLion]

Hum.. You said in the plural, so it's probably a set of posts. I will try to reduce my esoteric tone.

honestly don't worry about it too much, I was half joking and half grumpy from a long Friday! I will still read your posts even if they are wordy and it's not the tone, just the number of extra words or phrases that don't always need to be there

[Ydrasse]

i must admit that i have yet to feel the town waves radiate from mujie, sunflower-friend.

also, regarding the experience i think that my personal theory is that sjreaver is experienced in other formats but not forum mafia, and while they lend their talents to playing something like this it's a different setting entirely. not a fresh newbie sj might be emboldened to do some shenanigans but i feel they'd probably be too self-conscious of the backlash for them to willfully claim vt.

I had a conclusion similar to yours in relation to SJ, but what really caught my attention was that nobody seemed to care much about the claim and acceptance was expressively quick, which makes me think that the resistance on my part, with general opinions of that he is VT for more than a pretext and the impartiality of some players, indicate that there is a collective distance from his wagon that reflect me as a position of vulnerability, more common, in my experience, in slots that are being evaluated by both the alignments, more likely town than not.

clidd i think i like your posts but please can i have a translation for my little ant brain as to what this means. i don't know if we're agreeing or not on our conclusions. also given your questions towards mujie in 70, i can also offer my perspective as an em player (i don't wanna taint any answers from mujie).

[clidd]

I was almost done with the comparison, but I noticed that using auto-meta to justify a read on another player is not going to be a well received instance.

And the fact that I would be deliberately quoting games from my past can create a bad atmosphere that will likely make it difficult to read my slot, assuming that some players will be inclined to read my games.

So, I would just like to comment that normally when a player makes a brief assessment of how I play, initially inferring that I am town, while citing a possible threat that I could offer as a scum, that player tends to be town, statistically based on my personal past games.

[clidd]

Which is why post 46 sounds good to me.

[Ydrasse]

ahhhh, okay. thanks for the clarification!

right now i'm kind of just waiting for the replacements/two no content slots to say something. :V

[clidd]

Hum.. You said in the plural, so it's probably a set of posts. I will try to reduce my esoteric tone.

honestly don't worry about it too much, I was half joking and half grumpy from a long Friday! I will still read your posts even if they are wordy and it's not the tone, just the number of extra words or phrases that don't always need to be there

Huum.

[clidd]

ahhhh, okay. thanks for the clarification!

right now i'm kind of just waiting for the replacements/two no content slots to say something. :V

Wait, was that to me ?

In fact, I was referring to post 56. I still have to answer you.

[clidd]

If so, it was my fault, don't worry. I forgot to add what context I was referring to.

[beeboy]

Clidd you should probably step back your posting as the thread is around 1/3rd your posts.
I'll read this thread tonight I apologize to everyone for making you all wait.

[Ydrasse]

oh. i... read it as an interpretation to mine LMFAO.

okay. okay. i am going to pretend this never happened.

p-edit: is there a particular reason why you think clidd should stop posting so much?

[beeboy]

Of course I didn't put out a conclusion yet. I didn't have a conclusion yet. I prefer to wait for more conclusive evidence to vote for someone.

And I said I'd prefer not to if possible. As in: If I have two scum reads, 1 who's first game it is and one who's a veteran player, I'd rather vote for the veteran player because it would suck for a brand new player to be lynched on the first day. Maybe it's just my nature, especially as a youth worker though. Like we took someone to Friday football, we made sure he had the best first session so he'd feel confident about it.

As for why I pointed it out:

1) I always like to joke and like turn someone's statement into a good version. Like that old joke where it twists around: "Your mum... Is a very nice person."

2) At the time, I wasn't thinking "This guy's a scum, I'm gonna try to take that suspicion away. I was thinking "This guy made a mistake, but if I suggest he could be bluffing, then it might cast doubt, thus making the mafia do a double take."

So I do think SJ's leaning towards scum, but OK, so while writing this post, I realised why I was hesitant to vote. In Epicmafia, IIRC, once everyone's voted, the lynch happens. It's so fast that you can't vote recklessly. But here, it's not a lynch when everyone votes, it's after 9 days.

So...

VOTE: SJReaver

I know someone's gonna say I voted for SJ just to make me seem less scummy, but he's my strongest suspicion atm, but if a stronger suspicion comes along who's first game it isn't, I'll vote for them. That's just who I am. (Side Note: For like half an hour, I was debating in my head whether to vote for SJReaver, until I realised what the difference in formats meant.

Can you guys tell me your thoughts on this post?
It's the one that stands out to me the most while reading this game.

[beeboy]

I have 2 town reads right now.

One is SJReaver, I think they opened the way they did because they are town, it's a claim that is likely to draw a lot of attention to them, it's not something I think anyone would advice a new player to do. It's also not a post I think a new player would be able to think of themselves. As a result I think in general that post is likely to come from town.

Ydrassa is approaching this game in an incredibly similar manner to the way I would. The opening post when they state SJReaver is town and if they are wrong it will be apparent anyway just really melds with my exact thoughts on the situation. Just nonchalantly calling someone town then backing themselves up by saying "I am good enough to correct myself if I am wrong" just strikes me as a town post. I also read some level of hesitation or real concern in 42 that I feel comes from town.

These are my only reads I have right now, that one question from above is the only real thing I have to ask right now.

[beeboy]

p-edit: is there a particular reason why you think clidd should stop posting so much?

I was reported to the mod for posting too much in a recent game, it's just something that makes games harder to follow for certain players.
4 pages evenly balanced just creates a more interesting and easier to solve game then it does to have just 1 player engaging everyone.

It's not a big deal Clidd is free to do what he wants and I am not going to fault him for doing something I'd do but I am not even sure if he is aware he is doing it. As someone who plays like that sometimes I just like my excitement get the better of me.

[beeboy]

@Ydrasse what's your experience playing mafia?

[Ydrasse]

ah, that's fair. do you think that the content that clidd has posted thus far is fluff, though, or do you see an active attempt to solve? i do not know if there are limits in this thread or anything but i feel it's important to figure out if the posts are meaningful, if there are many.

i was introduced to mafia quite a few years ago, though it was chat based mafia and i never played competitively. and i took a very long break from it (a few years) before coming back recently after having garnered an interest from the games i spectated. it's the first time i've ever really not played with friends, and i've finished about three? games now, two of which were also with friends and not very serious.

[clidd]

Clidd you should probably step back your posting as the thread is around 1/3rd your posts.
I'll read this thread tonight I apologize to everyone for making you all wait.

I believe that the topic being more inactive than usual created the illusion of high activity on my part.

But yes, I suppose that facilitating the accessibility of players who have not yet interacted with the game is ideal for real-time discussion.

oh. i... read it as an interpretation to mine LMFAO.

okay. okay. i am going to pretend this never happened.

p-edit: is there a particular reason why you think clidd should stop posting so much?

I confess that it was a fun episode and made the abstraction of my post 50 explicit. I will try to be brief in the explanation below.

i must admit that i have yet to feel the town waves radiate from mujie, sunflower-friend.

also, regarding the experience i think that my personal theory is that sjreaver is experienced in other formats but not forum mafia, and while they lend their talents to playing something like this it's a different setting entirely. not a fresh newbie sj might be emboldened to do some shenanigans but i feel they'd probably be too self-conscious of the backlash for them to willfully claim vt.

I had a conclusion similar to yours in relation to SJ, but what really caught my attention was that nobody seemed to care much about the claim and acceptance was expressively quick, which makes me think that the resistance on my part, with general opinions of that he is VT for more than a pretext and the impartiality of some players, indicate that there is a collective distance from his wagon that reflect me as a position of vulnerability, more common, in my experience, in slots that are being evaluated by both the alignments, more likely town than not.

Being more directly, I meant that I agreed with your theory that SJ would be aware of the consequences of VT's claim, so the Town!SJ scenario would make more sense than Scum!SJ. But I have some additional reasons to believe that he is town, such as the fact that there was no retaliation for his claim by a large part of the players (which I interpret as a positive sign), the impartiality of opinions (players with opinions that have reasons for infer Scum!SJ and Town!SJ, but believe more strongly in Town!SJ), the non-escalation of votes (did not exceed 2 votes), and the vulnerability I feel about the slot, where a scum player could have used his claim as a valid reason to formulate a scumread on him, aiming at a possible ML (something that probably didn't happen due to the scarcity of votes on him), assuming, of course, that he's town.

Can you guys tell me your thoughts on this post?
It's the one that stands out to me the most while reading this game.

Post 45, from my view, seems to convey a real insecurity, that is, without a malicious purpose, but the lack of an interest in elucidating the scumread in SJ through a questioning process conveys a scummy apathy. But the slot, in general, is subtly towny to me. I went into more detail in my analysis on post 70 (inside the spoilers).

[clidd]

That's all, I'll be gone for a few hours.

If there is anything important that I should answer or observe, let me know.

[SJReaver]

I'd hoped to back off for a day and come back to a thread full of discussion from our missing members, or at least a 'we're still alive' post from them. No such luck, I see. That's annoying.

For completely meta reasons, I suspect one of the two are scum. In Town of Salem, mafia are the most likely to immediately drop from a match. I can easily see a new player getting a red-team PM and noping out.

In a group this size, two players MIA make it harder to get reads on people through their interaction as well as unbalancing the sides.

(If you're red and your buddy flaked on you, my sympathies.)



@clidd, please continue to communicate in your normal style. Deliberately altering it would only make it harder to get a bead on you. Also, Mafia is a game where different players have different ways of expressing themselves. Learning to parse posts outside of your comfort zone is an important skill.

@beeboy, thanks for stepping it up. Looking forward to chatting with you more.

@GuiltyLion, Are you usually this quiet day 1?

[SJReaver]

Hum.. You said in the plural, so it's probably a set of posts. I will try to reduce my esoteric tone.

honestly don't worry about it too much, I was half joking and half grumpy from a long Friday! I will still read your posts even if they are wordy and it's not the tone, just the number of extra words or phrases that don't always need to be there

Will you?

Even when I'm in a good mood, I'll likely skim a long or wordy post. If I'm grumpy and tired, my eyes glaze over and I scroll through them, maybe catching bits and pieces.

[GuiltyLion]

@GuiltyLion, Are you usually this quiet day 1?

uhhh what?



I have one fewer post than you and I'm in the top 3 players by post count. The game just started yesterday. I have open questions to both Mujie and pearofclubs to help me engage with them and get to sorting them, and I'm currently voting with the leading wagon.

Why are you saying I'm quiet? I feel that's a pretty significant mischaracterization of my play.

[GuiltyLion]

Can you guys tell me your thoughts on this post?
It's the one that stands out to me the most while reading this game.

I tipped my hand a little bit in 68 but the post didn't initially sit right with me. It does feel pretty self-conscious and defensive, particularly the bit about 'someone's gonna say the vote is meant to make me seem less scummy'.

However I don't think those things are necessarily scum-indicative here, anyone who's been around the block has seen awkward and defensive newbie townies before, and when reading through it again the claimed scumread on SJReaver stood out the most to me. Hence I'm looking to get more insight from Mujie on that front.

[SJReaver]

Can you guys tell me your thoughts on this post?
It's the one that stands out to me the most while reading this game.

I tipped my hand a little bit in 68 but the post didn't initially sit right with me. It does feel pretty self-conscious and defensive, particularly the bit about 'someone's gonna say the vote is meant to make me seem less scummy'.

However I don't think those things are necessarily scum-indicative here, anyone who's been around the block has seen awkward and defensive newbie townies before, and when reading through it again the claimed scumread on SJReaver stood out the most to me. Hence I'm looking to get more insight from Mujie on that front.

Oh. ic ic

My bad; thank you for that stirring and well-researched defence of my question.



In other news:

DIE MAFIA SCUM.

VOTE: GuiltyLion