Newbie 2018: Ferrets [GAME OVER]

[SJReaver]

Damnit, I quoted the wrong post.

The one with the picture, guys.

[beeboy]

I love your energy SJReaver!!!

VOTE: GuiltyLion

[beeboy]

ah, that's fair. do you think that the content that clidd has posted thus far is fluff, though, or do you see an active attempt to solve? i do not know if there are limits in this thread or anything but i feel it's important to figure out if the posts are meaningful, if there are many.

i was introduced to mafia quite a few years ago, though it was chat based mafia and i never played competitively. and i took a very long break from it (a few years) before coming back recently after having garnered an interest from the games i spectated. it's the first time i've ever really not played with friends, and i've finished about three? games now, two of which were also with friends and not very serious.

No his posts are certainly acceptable content, it's not the point I was making in all honesty.

[Pearofclubs]

Implying you're hesitant to vote for someone new in the same breath as you voted for someone new is a little contradictory, isn't it? And although this is a nitpick, the line also implies that if you scumread another new player, you wouldn't shift your vote.

Pearofclubs, can you give me more thoughts on why you think these things might be indicative?

I agree that saying that you're hesitant to vote a newbie, but then landing on voting him seems contradictory, but I think the explanation of realizing the difference between EM and MS makes sense, and I'd like to know why you think scumwould be more likely than town to wind up contradicting himself in that way.

I know that contradictions aren't necessarily scumtells, but my vote is more or less a result of (with ydrasse's explanation) noticing his flip floppiness and possible early attempt at buddying up with SJ.

The continuing small inconsistencies in his posts just make his case look worse, and at this point in the game we don't have any night activities to talk about, nor any leads on what power roles people might have. What's more, we have two missing players in a game with two mafia, meaning that we could theoretically all be town. Unlikely, but it's possible.

Little things like these contradictions and minor inconsistencies his posts, and defensively predicting people scumreading him for doing something (right as he does that something) are at the moment the most suspicious behavior that I'm seeing. A saying goes: "If you're telling the truth, you don't need to have a good memory." Him stepping on his own toes indicates to me that he might be manufacturing posts rather than just saying what he feels.

He's listed as a new player, but he

does

have at least some experience. Clidd mentioned him having been around here before, and he's stated that he played on other forums, as well. It's entirely possible he's a much more experienced/competant player than you guys are giving him credit for.

But then again, I could easily be wrong. I'm figuring this out as I go and going with how I feel :p

[Umlaut]

WaltertheDunce10 replaces opcleaver01. Please welcome them!

[Pearofclubs]

@SJreaver @Beeboy

I'm not sure I understand your votes. Did I miss something about Guiltylion? I'm gonna have to reread his posts.

And yes, Beeboy, Sj's energy is great fun

Also, welcome to the thread, Walterthedunce!

[Umlaut]

Vote Count 1.2

mujie

(3): Ydrasse, GuiltyLion, Pearofclubs

GuiltyLion

(2): SJReaver, beeboy

SJReaver

(1): mujie

Not voting

(3): WaltertheDunce10, Apto 3rd, clidd

With 9 alive, it takes 5 votes to eliminate.

Deadline:

(expired on 2020-07-19 22:19:00)

Notes:

• Seeking a replacement for Apto 3rd.

[mujie]

In a nutshell, I believe that Mujie is someone who demonstrates a certain insecurity and uncertainty that seems natural to me. The way he repeatedly uses the experience of another platform to try to orient himself here, under other circumstances, is an attempt that I consider positive, although he seems to lack interest in relation to his read on SJ. The constant concern about what others will think of him is something negative, but at the moment I am speculating that perhaps it is an interpersonal particularity that is manifesting itself because of his adaptation from the fast rhythm (which he is theoretically more accustomed) to the slow rhythm. The tonality of his posts seems to me more relaxed, with the absence of apprehension that a scum mentality with a cognitive load would have.

(Reading the spoiler is optional)

Spoiler:

I spent my summers catfishing at the lake

Huh. I've always found catfishes spend more time online than in lakes. But whatever floats your boat.

So, I don't say this to criticize but just as a point of feedback, first tip is you don't want to claim your role like that, even if you are a Vanilla. Mafia need to get rid of the power roles as fast as possible, so usually they will decide to kill people who they think may be a power role. Claiming vanilla narrows the pool for them.

SJReaver could always be a power role pretending to be a vanilla townie. I gotcha back SJReaver.

VOTE: Pearofcubs

Are you just voting for everyone who hasn't replied yet in the hopes that they end up replying? I don't have any scumreads yet cause it's mostly been tips so far, but clidd, I am curious as to why you voted for SJReaver?

The first line is a NAI comment.

The second line is a guess that carries a speculation that brings no benefit when pointed out, considering that, as a rule, it would not be of interest to the town alignment to provide information that could lead to the identification of PR players, keeping in mind that survival of these has a very strong mechanical impact to increase the chances of victory. Within that context, I can imagine three scenarios here:

1- Mujie is scum

, therefore, his perception differs from that of a town player due to the cognitive load that being scum and knowing already who is town carries, which made him interpret the claim in an unusual way, because he comes from a mentality scum (TMI).

2- Mujie is town

and naively made his opinion about the claim transparent.

3- Mujie is town

and commented on purpose with some goal in mind.

Reflections:

- The first scenario assumes that the process of interpreting the posts around him was influenced by the cognitive load that he, theoretically, would be feeling for being scum and already having information that no town would have, which means that his point of view would inevitably be influenced by it. But, suffering from a cognitive load suggests that he would be more ''tense'', in the sense of humor and would tend to act more cautiously in his interactions, which is something that I found contrary to the way he interacted in more relaxed tone when he answered post 7 and for the repetition of the gif ''razz'', which seemed subtly natural. Scum!Newbies influenced by cognitive loads, in my experience, have more difficulty in detecting jokes and interacting with comical situations, as they unconsciously operate within a more defensive mentality, to prevent leaks of information (slips).

- The second scenario assumes that he would not have a correct judgment of the flow of useful/non-useful opinions due to inexperience, that is, he would not be aware of the consequences of exposing a certain opinion. But that would also imply that he had no contact with the ''mafia'' theme, something that is not true considering references from another platform in posts 14, 20 and 45.

- The third scenario is interesting, as I can see variations of it, with changes in the type of objective that he would be aiming (evidently, within the scope of interests that he would imagine beneficial to the town alignment), which could go from hindering the interpretation by the mafia (by adding wifom

to the claim), to reaction test, in order to get a better view of the slot that made the claim.

Conclusion:

- I imagine that within the line of reasoning that encompasses these three scenarios, I am more inclined to think that the healthy inference is belonging to the third scenario, which, although not necessarily the most accurate when measuring his behavior, is the one that comes closest , in my opinion, in discriminating the alignment connected to his intention when exposing the comment regarding the claim, which in this case is towny and probably comes from a non-malicious perspective, at least in the context in which I evaluated the possible segmentations from the disclosure of post 13 and the suspicions surrounding it.

Oh, I don't really have any tips, I normally played on epicmafia, and in that you're kind of waiting for people to die to figure out roles. And then you go back and look for contradictions or, for example, if someone posted at the start of the day, it might indicate they're a power role cause a night only ends when they make an action. But that's with fast-paced mafia. But it will probably be easier when more people are dead I imagine.

Man, I was going to jokingly play my character as a conscientious objector, but for lynching, but apparently my character's now an insane sociopath who wants people to die so he can beat the Mafia. OK, yeah, this is gonna be a fun role to play.

He comments on a particular feature of Epicmafia and makes a brief comparison with the forum we are in, noting that the different pace between platforms prevents the reasoning presented from being applied here (NAI).

There are more features of comic content in the bottom line, which basically reinforce the idea that he is not under the influence of a cognitive load, as I speculated previously.

I suppose you were away from the forum for a long time, Mujie, although you were still active on the theme through other platforms.

What is your impression of the claim on post 7 ? Is it something you imagine a beginner scum would do ?

I say I’ve been on epic mafia, I haven’t been active on that in years, but I used to be really active on it. But I normally play on classic, so you’re basically assumed to be vanilla unless proven otherwise. I’ve never really seen someone claim to be townie until the later days, where townies end up being the hammer.

I can see a newbie town claiming to be vanilla so that they don’t get suspected, but I think a newbie mafia would be way too nervous to claim it like that. Especially so early on.

That said, 10 minutes for a pretty detailed post. I’d assume that meant he was planning his post before the day 1 PM and after the role PM. A newbie mafia might want to plan out his first post in a lot of detail to make sure he can’t get caught, while a newbie townie I’d imagine wouldn’t need to do so.

Also, from a meta standpoint, it’s SJ’s first game, so if another scum read comes up I’d rather lynch them than lynch the brand new player on the first day.

Thinking about it that way, it’s definitely a possibility that SJ is maf, but I’m not yet ready to vote for him

Reflections:

- In the first paragraph, he retrieves more of the experience obtained in Epicmafia and tries to use this alternative knowledge to answer my question.

- In the second paragraph, he expresses a personal opinion that is probably common sense for everyone, considering that most beginner players, regardless of their profile, would feel nervous when trying to operate a false claim very early.

- In the third paragraph, he associates the elaboration of the observed post with a more biased mentality, within the newbie context, something I particularly agree with, although this does not consider the cooperation between this newbie player with a partner, who can change the course of player action.

- In the fourth paragraph, he gives his opinion on the lynch priority, giving SJ more opportunity, which makes sense, considering that the queue we are in was made especially with the purpose of helping newcomers to join the forum community.

- In the fifth paragraph, he complements the previous answer, giving an additional simplified justification.

Conclusion:

- There is a back and forth with the opinion about SJ, which would not necessarily be scummy if there were a more accessible conclusion. What I understood is that, because he has many impressions about the same individual, not all of them having the same agreement, the indirect conclusion would be that he would not be ready to vote for SJ because of this uncertainty, which is the reason why he gives reasons for SJ to be logically scum, but does not materialize it in one vote. There is no greater interest in clarifying this doubt, in fact, but when I compare his uncertainty with the uncertainty presented by Pear, for example, I note that in this case, the insecurity shown is attributed to a confusion of ideas, which sounds genuine. In other words, his insecurity seems towny, but his apathy towards solving the problem is scummy, in isolation.

Of course I didn't put out a conclusion yet. I didn't have a conclusion yet. I prefer to wait for more conclusive evidence to vote for someone.

And I said I'd prefer not to if possible. As in: If I have two scum reads, 1 who's first game it is and one who's a veteran player, I'd rather vote for the veteran player because it would suck for a brand new player to be lynched on the first day. Maybe it's just my nature, especially as a youth worker though. Like we took someone to Friday football, we made sure he had the best first session so he'd feel confident about it.

As for why I pointed it out:

1) I always like to joke and like turn someone's statement into a good version. Like that old joke where it twists around: "Your mum... Is a very nice person."

2) At the time, I wasn't thinking "This guy's a scum, I'm gonna try to take that suspicion away. I was thinking "This guy made a mistake, but if I suggest he could be bluffing, then it might cast doubt, thus making the mafia do a double take."

So I do think SJ's leaning towards scum, but OK, so while writing this post, I realised why I was hesitant to vote. In Epicmafia, IIRC, once everyone's voted, the lynch happens. It's so fast that you can't vote recklessly. But here, it's not a lynch when everyone votes, it's after 9 days.

So...

VOTE: SJReaver

I know someone's gonna say I voted for SJ just to make me seem less scummy, but he's my strongest suspicion atm, but if a stronger suspicion comes along who's first game it isn't, I'll vote for them. That's just who I am. (Side Note: For like half an hour, I was debating in my head whether to vote for SJReaver, until I realised what the difference in formats meant.

More associations to the experience in the epicmafia, reinforcement of the premise of ''newbie> veteran'', exaggerated concern about public opinion in relation to the attitude he showed when he suspected SJ and, finally, a subtle ''get this off my chest'' about the way he approaches the game and the formalization of the FoS with a vote. Nothing extraordinary.

@Muj

I have some questions:

1- You draw several parallels with your experience in the epicmafia. Now bringing to the current platform, imagine that you are scum, how would you use the time available in the forum (days) to organize your game ? which approach do you think would be interesting for this initial phase of random votes ?
2- Apart from SJ (who is the first), what is your second biggest suspect ?
3- What is your view on the two slots that will be replaced ? is there any role interpretation when a player leaves the game within your epicmafia experience ?
4- In post 20 you suggest in a passage that a beginner player, as scum, would be more inclined to prepare a more elaborate initial post than a beginner town player. Have you seen this scenario before ?
5- You showed a certain level of concern in post 45 about how you were making your suspicion transparent. Is the fact that other players are suspicious of you something that makes you nervous ? if yes/no, why ?
6- I noticed that you were not afraid to comment on SJ's claim in post 13. Is there any difference in the approach, within your experience in the epicmafia, with possible PR players ? Is it not in the collective interest to avoid revealing PRs ? Is there any connection between your approach to the subject (PR) and your playstyle ?

1. I don't think I'm going to answer that. I'm not exactly an expert, but if one of the maf saw my post and saw something that they hadn't thought of, they could use it for themselves.

2. Well, after your question 1, I'm suspicious of you. I don't know how old a player you are and I'm not gonna check your post history, because I don't want to metagame this. On the one hand, you're an SE, and I'm not arrogant enough to think you'd learn anything from my answer to the question. On the other hand, you're an SE. You should know better than to ask a question that would give hints to the mafia. (Again, this depends on how old a player you are. So, if you don't mind me asking, what's your experience on the site? Asking you about it is fair game to me, but spying, not my style.) My other other biggest suspect is Beeboy. SJReaver didn't give much of a reason for his vote on Guilty. So SJ, what was your reason for voting for Guilty? The strange thing though is the Beeboy jumped on straight away, implying the reason was because of SJ's energy. So Beeboy, did you have another reason for voting for guilty?

To summarise the answer, my main scumreads are an SJ/beeboy team or you and someone else Clidd.

3. I'd rather not say. It's not fair on the player who replaces the players to judge them based on the actions of their previous player cause the new player wasn't the one that made that mistake. You're free to make your own deductions, but I'm not gonna help with that.

4. That's not based on Mafia experience, but more some amateur psycho-analysis. It's like PearofClubs said, the manufacturing makes my posts seem scummy. But I'd put out it's slightly different. When you're under pressure, you're more likely to think carefully. When someone tells you something, you're going to try to avoid people thinking that, even if it's not true. Example: If someone thinks you hate someone. It's not true, but you are careful to not say anything bad about the person after that because of it.

Now, here's the difference. I'm putting more thought into my posts because of the pressure of being voted on. SJ was voted 2 minutes before he posted. The post could not have been written in just 2 minutes, meaning he wrote it without the pressure of a vote on him. Then where could the pressure to manufacture a post like that come from? The pressure of having the perfect post? Being mafia.

That said, I can't remember who, but someone said SJ could have just been eager. Which is fair and SJ definitely does seem like an eager player. But for now, the vote on Guilty is still suspicious.

5. Of course. When you're more likely to die, you're gonna be more cautious. Everything I say is under a microscope atm, so even though I'm not Mafia, the fact that I'm under the pressure atm means that I have to be more careful about what I say.

6. The general rule for classic mode epicmafia (1 cop, 1 doc, 2 maf and 3 villagers) is: The cop will only reveal himself day 1 if he has a guilty verdict. I've said before, but a, I like to twist comments to make them seem better, and also was hoping it would confuse the Mafia.

TL;DR - Questions for Others

To Clidd:

What experience do you have with Mafia?

To SJReaper:

Why did you vote for Guilty?

To BeeBoy:

Did you have any other reasons for voting Guilty apart from liking SJReaper's energy?

[clidd]

@Mujie

Before I evaluate your answers (and answer the questions directed at me), I need you to answer the first question, it is important. This has absolutely nothing to do with

''if you can imagine what you would do as a scum, it means that you are scum''

, which may have crossed your mind. It is important for me, individually, to understand how your imagination works on this subject, otherwise it may hinder my read about you.

[clidd]

Just give me a basic description of what you think would be interesting to do as mafia, with an emphasis on the long time you would have to plan.

Don't forget to be honest in your opinion. It is not in my interest to have socially correct or standardized opinions. I need to know what you really think it would be advantageous to do as scum.

[Ydrasse]

UNVOTE:

my expectations for a scummy!mujie would've been moreso to placate those who put pressure on them, tbh. i can agree that his posts thus far are pretty insecure, but i don't see it in a way where like... a new scum player needs permission or approval from the town as a whole for what they do. given that there's some experience there, sure, could be wrong. but otherwise i think that 107 is a good reply.

he doesn't bow down to clidd (who i can imagine for all of the content/Verbose Posts can be a bit intimidating if only for the sheer amount of stuff to sift through, offers some reads, blah blah. it doesn't feel like omgus for him to have a sr on clidd. 64 in particular is perhaps an odd sort of way to sort who to vote for but i've seen it thus far from town rather than scum, that sort of arbitrary decision. (at least to me, it's arbitrary — but that could be because we have differing play styles, lmao.) i also think the sr on beeboy from mujie's pov is reasonable because it is a vote that crops up out of nowhere seemingly.

(i get it though. guiltylion so far has some Bad Vibes but that's more of a gut thing that i can't really verbalize. might be the confusion over what post was being referenced in 39 but that's hypocritical because i too made a mistake of what post i spoke about.

also, i get why sj called gl quiet; while at the time he was in the top post count, there's a difference between presence and quantity of posts imo and gl hasn't exhibited the former as much as some others have wrt huntin' down scum. i don't think it's as much of a discredit as gl assumes. early game though so i'm not so bothered by this. Yet™.)

VOTE: pearofclubs

in contrast, i feel that pear so far demonstrates a hesitation that i can see more feasibly coming from the scum player who needs to know what the town thinks and approves of so their moves/votes/content can blend in. sheeping the vote on mujie in 44 stuck out to me, 62, 103 sheeping explanations, and 105 needing explanation too. (the last is the least offensive imo but i feel it plays into where my head is at right now).

pear, do you have any other reads/thoughts currently?

[GuiltyLion]

Why are you saying I'm quiet? I feel that's a pretty significant mischaracterization of my play.

SJReaver, if you are going to vote me then you owe me a response to this question. Why are you saying I'm quiet? What would you expect me to comment on as town that I did not comment on?

[GuiltyLion]

also, i get why sj called gl quiet; while at the time he was in the top post count, there's a difference between presence and quantity of posts imo and gl hasn't exhibited the former as much as some others have wrt huntin' down scum. i don't think it's as much of a discredit as gl assumes. early game though so i'm not so bothered by this. Yet™.)

I disagree, I think that was a notable discredit. I voted mujie with you creating pressure on his slot, while making a good faith engagement with him as well as pearofclubs who had a questionable hop onto the wagon. That's presence in the game and it's scumhunting, just because I'm not writing walls doesn't mean I'm 'quiet', ESPECIALLY given that it had been literally like 24 hours since the game had started.

[GuiltyLion]

I know that contradictions aren't necessarily scumtells, but my vote is more or less a result of (with ydrasse's explanation) noticing his flip floppiness and possible early attempt at buddying up with SJ.

Speaking of potential buddying, did you have any thoughts on SJ's townread on mujie?

The continuing small inconsistencies in his posts just make his case look worse, and at this point in the game we don't have any night activities to talk about, nor any leads on what power roles people might have. What's more, we have two missing players in a game with two mafia, meaning that we could theoretically all be town. Unlikely, but it's possible.

Little things like these contradictions and minor inconsistencies his posts, and defensively predicting people scumreading him for doing something (right as he does that something) are at the moment the most suspicious behavior that I'm seeing. A saying goes: "If you're telling the truth, you don't need to have a good memory." Him stepping on his own toes indicates to me that he might be manufacturing posts rather than just saying what he feels.

I dunno, I can't follow you here. If he's town and telling the truth, I think he's more likely to contradict himself in the same post, not less. Scum manufacturing their posts are usually more likely to be aware of the contradictions and edit themselves in order to try to emulate a consistent/logical thought process

[GuiltyLion]

I just had a game finish with scum!Ydrasse and her posting in this game feels a lot more organic and focused to me, as scum she would pretend to be sorting a ton of different slots all at once and shotgun questions to everybody whereas here I think she's genuinely chasing leads. I agree with her read on mujie's latest reply as well.

I'm ambivalent about pearofclubs and I also strongly dislike the way SJReaver has accused me of being 'quiet' as well as the way SJ gave such a free townread on mujie at the start.

I want to +1 Ydrasse's point about 105, sitting from my POV knowing I'm town, that feels like scum doing a lazy WK more than town who genuinely is confused about the votes on me. pearofclubs is careful not to express whether or not they'd be willing to vote me or what his read on me is, I think town who hadn't seen any issues with my posts would be more likely to defend me a bit there.

VOTE: pearofclubs

[Pearofclubs]

@ydrasse
I don't know that the last one really means anything at all? Neither of them gave any explanation for their votes except that bee likes Sj's energy. Is that enough of a reason to vote someone?

That aside, I suppose I've been following a bit more on the Mujie front because I found your allegations convincing, although I further elaborated on my stance by pointing out that continuing contradictions and inconsistencies in his posts make it seem manufactured instead of genuine. I still feel that way at the moment, since he followed up my picking at his posts with a gap in responses followed by a much more level statement. Which, of course, is what I would imagine someone would do if they were either alignment. If he's town he did it to distance himself from appearing scum, if he's scum he did it for the same reason.

As for other scumreads, I am still fairly green here but I'm somewhat wary of clidd. He dominated the thread through volume, with long wordy, often confusingly worded posts in which he picked at everything and everyone. He was fairly quick to assume that SJ was a fake alt, and in that scenario had to be scum. When I asked him how common fake alts were because that seemed unlikely he responded with a non answer. He dropped the suggestion that SJ was fake when it became clear that there was no traction. He started grilling Mujie fairly soon after he began accumulating votes.

Guiltylion for a while at the beginning only had a post in which he was offering helpful advice to a new player that (probably) made a bit of a faux pas in his first post. You accused Mujie of buddying, and I agreed. I'd be remiss not to mention that this sticks out to me, an experienced player making a big show out of helping a new player and then being fairly quiet for a while. That said, he's been a lot

less

suspect lately. Hence my asking why they voted him, in particular, now.

Obviously the two that dropped out without a word are somewhat suspect, since they're both newbies and ill full well admit that as a new player signing up for my first game I crossed my fingers that I wouldn't be red. I could see someone deciding to not show up if they don't like the role they got.

In fact, you know what? I do still suspect Mujie but writing this has made it clear that I suspect more people than I don't. Which is, I guess, expected?

While I think about all this, I'll just leave my vote where it is because I still don't trust him.

-Dangit, Guilty, your post ninjad me!

[Umlaut]

midwaybear replaces Apto 3rd. Please welcome them!

[Ydrasse]

also, i get why sj called gl quiet; while at the time he was in the top post count, there's a difference between presence and quantity of posts imo and gl hasn't exhibited the former as much as some others have wrt huntin' down scum. i don't think it's as much of a discredit as gl assumes. early game though so i'm not so bothered by this. Yet™.)

I disagree, I think that was a notable discredit. I voted mujie with you creating pressure on his slot, while making a good faith engagement with him as well as pearofclubs who had a questionable hop onto the wagon. That's presence in the game and it's scumhunting, just because I'm not writing walls doesn't mean I'm 'quiet', ESPECIALLY given that it had been literally like 24 hours since the game had started.

myeh, yeah, that's why i'm not particularly pressed about this matter. i think it's subjective to each person what counts as like, a post that is Worthwhile or whatever. i had a similar thought about you while skimming through so maybe that's why i'm like 'yeah, fair point from sj.'

[Pearofclubs]

Wait, no it didn't. It didn't at all. I guess I gotta refresh more. Oof.

[Ydrasse]

hello to walter and to midway, btw!

[clidd]

[mujie]

@Mujie

Before I evaluate your answers (and answer the questions directed at me), I need you to answer the first question, it is important. This has absolutely nothing to do with

''if you can imagine what you would do as a scum, it means that you are scum''

, which may have crossed your mind. It is important for me, individually, to understand how your imagination works on this subject, otherwise it may hinder my read about you.

That's not what I meant. I know what I'd do, and I had an answer planned. But my explanation involved how I'd decide who I'd kill that night. Which, if the mafia is still figuring stuff out, it might help them. Especially a long term plan could give a newer mafia ideas. OK, I'll say what I'd do outwardly rather than my inward thoughts or long. Well, the last MS I played I was scum, and I think I had less time on my hands, so I couldn't... But if I was scum now, I'd still try to stay active. Well, I can't speak for MS because I've only properly played as the Maf in EM. But I'd like to think, at least during day 1, I'd act the same as I would if I were town. It's day 2 when it gets hard, with claims and counter claims and trying to make sure you don't say the real cop is innocent. But here day 1 starts before night 1, so it makes it simpler imo. I hope if I was maf I'd act the same way I am now, but I won't know for sure until I become a maf.

On the topic of Pear, I'm not quite sold yet. Yeah, he's mostly using other people's explanations, but I think what's important is whether he purely just jumped on because it's the bandwagon or because he's genuinely thinking about it. In my opinion, it's the latter. He's using other people's analyses to form his own opinions. One post that makes me think he's not just going with the bandwagon is #40. At that point, I was 2 votes in, it would have been easy to vote for me. Instead, he both questioned one of the arguments against me, as well as one of the arguments for me. To me, the lack of definitve conclusion suggests he was still thinking about it. Pear only voted for me once he was satisfied with Ydrasse's explanation. To me, it reads as newbie town seeking his seniors' advice rather than jumping on the bandwagon. At the moment, I'm most interested in hearing Reaper and Beeboy's replies.

[clidd]

@Mujie

Before I evaluate your answers (and answer the questions directed at me), I need you to answer the first question, it is important. This has absolutely nothing to do with

''if you can imagine what you would do as a scum, it means that you are scum''

, which may have crossed your mind. It is important for me, individually, to understand how your imagination works on this subject, otherwise it may hinder my read about you.

That's not what I meant. I know what I'd do, and I had an answer planned. But my explanation involved how I'd decide who I'd kill that night. Which, if the mafia is still figuring stuff out, it might help them. Especially a long term plan could give a newer mafia ideas. OK, I'll say what I'd do outwardly rather than my inward thoughts or long. Well, the last MS I played I was scum, and I think I had less time on my hands, so I couldn't... But if I was scum now, I'd still try to stay active. Well, I can't speak for MS because I've only properly played as the Maf in EM. But I'd like to think, at least during day 1, I'd act the same as I would if I were town. It's day 2 when it gets hard, with claims and counter claims and trying to make sure you don't say the real cop is innocent. But here day 1 starts before night 1, so it makes it simpler imo. I hope if I was maf I'd act the same way I am now, but I won't know for sure until I become a maf.

On the topic of Pear, I'm not quite sold yet. Yeah, he's mostly using other people's explanations, but I think what's important is whether he purely just jumped on because it's the bandwagon or because he's genuinely thinking about it. In my opinion, it's the latter. He's using other people's analyses to form his own opinions. One post that makes me think he's not just going with the bandwagon is #40. At that point, I was 2 votes in, it would have been easy to vote for me. Instead, he both questioned one of the arguments against me, as well as one of the arguments for me. To me, the lack of definitve conclusion suggests he was still thinking about it. Pear only voted for me once he was satisfied with Ydrasse's explanation. To me, it reads as newbie town seeking his seniors' advice rather than jumping on the bandwagon. At the moment, I'm most interested in hearing Reaper and Beeboy's replies.

Ok, thanks.

[mujie]

Wait, no it didn't. It didn't at all. I guess I gotta refresh more. Oof.

Sorry, what were you referring to?

[Pearofclubs]

At the end of my post, I suggested Guiltylion had clipped me because when I went to submit it, the post popped up as a new reply, and I didn't want people to think I'd written Guilty's part after seeing what he'd posted.

But then it turns out I just hadn't refreshed the page recently enough on my phone. So it was my own fault.