Open 784 - Hard-Boiled (Town Wins!)

[superbowl9]

Also I don’t think any more claims today would be beneficial - I believe we should elim out of PP/Nash. I’ll give you my case on why I think it should be Nash later today

[Battle Mage]

Also I don’t think any more claims today would be beneficial - I believe we should elim out of PP/Nash. I’ll give you my case on why I think it should be Nash later today

You stole the page top I was waiting for!

HIDER - tonight target the person directly above you in THIS list (alphabetical order, with slight alteration to avoid double-targetting):

Aristophanes
Battle Mage
Doctor Drew
Froppy
Looker
Nash
Gypyx
PenguinPower
superbowl9
Tuxedo Mask
word321

This will be the last day of doing this - it's possible scum can PoE the hider after tonight, so after that do not direct them! Hopefully they'll crumb or something.

Good if everyone not voting either PP or Nash can do so.

[superbowl9]

Also pretty important,

can we get everyone to come out and say if you agree with this N2 hider plan or not?

It will make it a hell of a lot easier

I agree with the plan

Pedit: you sniped me too ToT

[Battle Mage]

we're seeking agreement? eh, i was just expecting people would go with it. i'm not in the mood for more debate after Froppy's thing earlier...

simpler approach is, if someone claims they diverted from the plan, policy daykill them for being stupid.

[Doctor Drew]

I agree with the plan.

[Tuxedo Mask]

Hey, haven't read the last few pages. I'll hopefully be back with some substantial tonight. Did we really immediately run PP up for a claim, and then drop them? That feels sketchy as hell.

[Looker]

Tuxedo, where am I in your readlist?

Is Aristophanes your partner and you're waiting for him to get back before you vote? Did not having daytalk throw off your bussing of Marashu?

Spoiler:

that's L-2 as well, so you may as well claim. then we are 100% eliminating either you or PP today.

VT

But

Spoiler:

I still think the VT claim was a bad move as scum.

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• I feel Froppy has an exaggerated sense of self.
  
• I don't see how I'm "coasting" through the game when I clung tight to the Marashu wagon and didn't jump off when people kept trying to make it die.
  
• I'm already starting to not like Froppy. As a player.
  • "I haven't seen Looker post since I've joined" - I posted an hour after she joined and even welcomed her.
  • "What's your opinion on the new stuff?" - What new stuff? Be specific.
  • "What's your opinion of my slot? Not whether I'm scum or town" - You [redacted], I don't even know who you are.
• Nash has a unique way of saying "chainsaw defense".

Hider plan is cool, what did PP claim?

[Battle Mage]

PP claimed vanilla too. Agree with rest of your post Looker.

Tux - superficially sketchy but we had a good reason - wanted to pin him down to a vanilla claim when he had been crumbing a PR, to give some strength to the argument he is scum.

[superbowl9]

we're seeking agreement? eh, i was just expecting people would go with it. i'm not in the mood for more debate after Froppy's thing earlier...

simpler approach is, if someone claims they diverted from the plan, policy daykill them for being stupid.

We don't need to debate it, just good to know for sure who is with the plan

[Battle Mage]

can we eliminate someone already? my patience has worn thin!

[superbowl9]

Also looker by coast I didnt mean you haven't been doing pro-town things, I meant that your slot hasn't received any real pressure so far.

[Battle Mage]

me and looker lost this setup last time - give a brother a break

[superbowl9]

Dw you and looker are the least of my worries right now

[Tuxedo Mask]

Who is the most of your worries?

[Froppy]

I'm fine with the plan and looker the question I gave you is open ended. Any answer was fine.

[Battle Mage]

Who is the most of your worries?

clearly Nash as he's voting for him.

Tux, please vote either Nash or PP, I don't care which.

[word321]

Ari! Give me something before you disappear plskthx. I liked you yesterday...I’m iffy today.

Sure thing my friend!

Mara flipping scum really surprised me, so I need to rethink a few things and read their Iso before I commit to things.

I will say that there being no mention of Nash, like not a single one, in Mara's Iso until more than 700 posts into the game, and then 43 mentions in the following 200 (I mean, half of that is the broken quote but still) with a sudden scumread is a lot more interesting than I initially gave it credit for. I am going to have to do some wagonomics on it and see if the pivot looks like scum trying to save their ass, scum trying a light bus to pivot attention and break up their wagon while getting rid of associatives, or like scum flailing.

I'll have a readslist later, since the scumflip changes an awful lot for me.
Sorry Tux.

(I almost posted this in the wrong thread, as in, in Mish Mash. That would have been bad. Thank god for ninjas!)

I want a follow up of this before ending the day.

[Tuxedo Mask]

Who is the most of your worries?

clearly Nash as he's voting for him.

Tux, please vote either Nash or PP, I don't care which.

Still trying to see how I feel about the town bloc. Hard bussing Marashu day 1 is a fine strategy, and the way day two has shaken out has been weird. I'd pick PP over Nash. I at least understood where Nash was coming from end of Day 1. I don't PP has been trying to solve at all today, just arguing about theory stuff.

[word321]

HIDER - tonight target the person directly above you in THIS list (alphabetical order, with slight alteration to avoid double-targetting):

Aristophanes
Battle Mage
Doctor Drew
Froppy
Looker
Nash
Gypyx
PenguinPower
superbowl9
Tuxedo Mask
word321

Can u switch {ari, Bm} or {ari, word}? Can u switch {Gypyx, pp} too? I want to "check" those slots.

[Battle Mage]

HIDER - tonight target the person directly above you in THIS list (alphabetical order, with slight alteration to avoid double-targetting):

Aristophanes
Battle Mage
Doctor Drew
Froppy
Looker
Nash
Gypyx
PenguinPower
superbowl9
Tuxedo Mask
word321

Can u switch {ari, Bm} or {ari, word}? Can u switch {Gypyx, pp} too? I want to "check" those slots.

no. don't over-complicate it, I've done my homework.

[Battle Mage]

Who is the most of your worries?

clearly Nash as he's voting for him.

Tux, please vote either Nash or PP, I don't care which.

Still trying to see how I feel about the town bloc. Hard bussing Marashu day 1 is a fine strategy, and the way day two has shaken out has been weird. I'd pick PP over Nash. I at least understood where Nash was coming from end of Day 1. I don't PP has been trying to solve at all today, just arguing about theory stuff.

i wouldnt have bussed marashu, he seemed like a nice dude.

it feels a bit like scum have given up.

im fine with you voting PP for that valid reason.

[word321]

then Im ok with ending the game with either nash or Pp. both r 0% in the hider/hidee mechanic. So im voting whoever has more votes when ari follows up his post.

[Doctor Drew]

I won't be super active the next day or so, a hammer would be perfect.

[superbowl9]

I at least understood where Nash was coming from end of Day 1.

What???? Nash's play at the end of D1 is policy elimable. Now's a great time to put out more detail about why I prefer them to PP.

PP

The midari case has been done to death, and looking back at the ISO after Mara's flip, nothing does too much to distance the two. There's valid points to be made here on Midari, but PP has been quite inoffensive in his content. It seems to me like they replaced into too many pages and simply is not really putting in much effort to keep up with the game. I can see why it's good to get this slot gone, but Nash has, in my opinion, been objectively bad for a while.

Nash

The no elim vote here is really revealing to me. Yes, bad play is not necessarily AI, but after Nash sees the flawed logic and Mara is flipped, it seems as if their D2 play has become less active (this is partly tonal, but also virtually all content today has been responding to prompts from others/self defense: I saw more individual initiative taken yesterday). I think this is likely a result of scum realizing they messed up with a big anti-town play at a critical moment yesterday and becoming more reserved/defensive (it could also be a result of being shaken by an incorrect TR on Mara, but I don't see a lot of re-evaluation taking place so I think this is unlikely).

The more I look at it, the more Nash's Mara rhetoric gets worse. 757 and 781 read very fence-sitty to me: Nash is willing to bus since their partner has been scummy, but is still keeping the option of pulling out a townread open, which ends up happening. Then at the end of D1, putting huge weight on a VT claim from scum - enough to invalidate everything from 761?

The other issue I have is that Nash has been targeting seemingly "easier" players to ML the whole game. I'll tell you up front that this point isn't the strongest one, as (especially for newer players), easy MLs are usually the ones doing scummy things, so it makes sense that a player's scumreads line up with that to a certain extent. But I do think Nash's foses are quite interesting in this game: votato, worchestire, brassherald, TM, and CJ. Just feels weak to me and like Nash is looking for an easy ML in a bunch of places. Ironically this line of reasoning might also implicate PP, since Nash has townread them for a while, but this is all way too early and way too shaky to really put much solace into. Just something to note.

[superbowl9]

Also TM I am still really confused why you voted Marashu 3 posts in a row (also then unvote next post lol). And can you confirm that you are following the hider plan?