Micro 952 - The Coalition: ItGBSMoD [game over!]

[Dumb and Dumber]

Pooky and DnD BOTH have this pattern of saying 'no I can't be scum because of X really weak reason' that bothers me deeply
I've been fairly consistent about the main reason I don't make sense as scum here

I mean, consistent sure, bur your reasoning for why you're not scum is weaksauce too

Quoting 1365 and assigning singular motivation to it feels scummy to moi

I don't trust my own reads too much this game though so I'm leaving it up to my buddy to make the final call~

DonCorleone you're tunneling. "If Pooky town then tmi, if Pooky scum you're distracting" read that again and you'll see?

-Dumbass

[Klick]

Quoting 1365 and assigning singular motivation to it feels scummy to moi

It's a counter to 'well why didn't Pooky just hammer Koba???'
Thinking there's no motivation for Pooky-scum to refrain from hammering is silly

[Dumb and Dumber]

ssshhhh there's no need for scum to speak

I think that you're scumread on pooky is overexagerated and doesn't even make much sense either.

He's also making valid points that you're ignoring.
Like you just said pooky slipped wug being his partner, but it wasn't a slip and wug has been trying to get him voted out all day today

- Dumber

(Also I realized I wasn't that good about signing consistently, all posts last night (i.e. the ones with DC) were mine)

[Dumb and Dumber]

Pooky and DnD BOTH have this pattern of saying 'no I can't be scum because of X really weak reason' that bothers me deeply
I've been fairly consistent about the main reason I don't make sense as scum here

I mean I always do that when I think I'm being pushed as scum for dumb reasons so

- Dumber

[Dumb and Dumber]

Like you just said pooky slipped wug being his partner,

Actually I read that wrong, sorry. I take this bit back.

- Dumber

[Dumb and Dumber]

this game is wild,

when I'm convinced koba is scum nobody believes me, but now I'm convinced he's town and everyone thinks he's scum.

I must be really off or something.

Also here's Pooky posturing and leaving open the possibility of hammering Koba later if he feels like he can get away with it

Again, a really uncharitable reading of Pooky's posts? He's not trying to create an opportunity in that post to hammer koba at all and I'm quite confused how that's your takeaway off of this post.

[Dumb and Dumber]

This series of quotes makes the change of opinion on Pooky yesterday pretty clear @DnD

Again, this is reasoning that explains a POE read on Pooky. It does

not

explain how or why he became your biggest scumread, or why you think he's more likely scum than my slot. Even the last post that you quoted there leaves open pivoting to either my slot

or

pooky. It doesn't explain why you think pooky is independently scum, and after reading the 30 pages at the end of day1 I still don't know where that happened

- Dumber

[DonCorleone]

1365

[Dumb and Dumber]

Also Pooky just straight-up ignored this when I posted it to continue pushing Clover

Again, you're failing to explain why Pooky's approach to clover is more likely to come from scum (i.e. as opposed to wrong!town).

- Dumber

Like your'e not explaining a scumread. You're explaining a POE read, which later magically morphed to a scumread, but the reasoning and thought process behind it just isn't there.

[Dumb and Dumber]

1365

Yes, I just talked about that.
You think that post is him trying to wiggle onto hammering koba?

Because that doesn't make sense at all?

- Dumber

[Dumb and Dumber]

This series of quotes makes the change of opinion on Pooky yesterday pretty clear @DnD

Again, this is reasoning that explains a POE read on Pooky. It does

not

explain how or why he became your biggest scumread, or why you think he's more likely scum than my slot. Even the last post that you quoted there leaves open pivoting to either my slot

or

pooky. It doesn't explain why you think pooky is independently scum, and after reading the 30 pages at the end of day1 I still don't know where that happened

- Dumber

Also Pooky just straight-up ignored this when I posted it to continue pushing Clover

Again, you're failing to explain why Pooky's approach to clover is more likely to come from scum (i.e. as opposed to wrong!town).

- Dumber

Like your'e not explaining a scumread. You're explaining a POE read, which later magically morphed to a scumread, but the reasoning and thought process behind it just isn't there.

DC can

you

articulate in like two sentences why klick is scumreading pooky?

[DonCorleone]

I tagged it bc I wanted to know what post you were talking about and you didn’t use post tags

[Dumb and Dumber]

Ah sorry about that

Do you think that Klick's reading of that post makes sense though? Or seems like a reasonable explanation?

- Dumber

[Klick]

Why am I getting the feeling that you really want Clover to be on the table as an option, more than you actually believe Clover is scum?

even if I didn't believe clover was scum I'd still be trying to break down your thought process to figure out whether this is a genuine conversation

Except that's not all you're doing. Looking at the last two pages and reading your posts, the vibe I get is at best 'Clover-skeptic'. That seems to be your main agenda at the moment, and not just in 1515. It doesn't quite add up with your unvote on Clover recently either.
I guess I'm mainly wondering what you're actually trying to achieve if it's not 'lightly push Clover as a lynch option'.

I then ask Pooky a few more questions, which he ignores to continue pushing Clover.

VOTE: Pooky
Your scumread on Clover feels fake.

[Klick]

It's not simply a PoE read (though that does contribute to it), and it's not just 'Pooky is deathtunneling Clover', as much as you'd like to frame it that way

[DonCorleone]

Ah sorry about that

Do you think that Klick's reading of that post makes sense though? Or seems like a reasonable explanation?

- Dumber

Thinking

[Dumb and Dumber]

DC can you articulate in like two sentences why klick is scumreading pooky?

Actually I'll just open this to the floor
Can anyone here?

- Dumber

[Dumb and Dumber]

I then ask Pooky a few more questions, which he ignores to continue pushing Clover.

Yeah, I agree this might not be the best way to play, but I'm quite confused on why that's such a major component of your scumread on him.

- Dumber

[Dumb and Dumber]

It's not simply a PoE read (though that does contribute to it), and it's not just 'Pooky is deathtunneling Clover', as much as you'd like to frame it that way

So what bits am I missing then?

Because that's basically what you gave to me in the posts just above.

2170 describes a poe read
2172 is you saying that he ignored your questions so he's scum.

So like is there anything else you want to point to?

- Dumber

[Klick]

His scumread on Clover was super fake and he pushed it in an opportunistic way when it looked like he was in danger. The Chemist NK also implicates him because he had by far the most pressure on him yesterday, meaning he had the most motive to eliminate players from within the coalition as opposed to outside of it.

There's your tweet on Pooky-scum

[Klick]

2170 describes a poe read

No, 2170 says that Pooky is scummy because he seems to want Clover executed more than he thinks Clover is scum

2172 is you saying that he ignored your questions so he's scum.

God you are a master of reduction

'Klick is scum because I think is scumread on Pooky is weak'
Is that a fair summary of your scumread on me?

[Dumb and Dumber]

His scumread on Clover was super fake and he pushed it in an opportunistic way when it looked like he was in danger. The Chemist NK also implicates him because he had by far the most pressure on him yesterday, meaning he had the most motive to eliminate players from within the coalition as opposed to outside of it.

There's your tweet on Pooky-scum

A few things:

- At least partly why I was asking DC to give the answer is to see if he

could

. I'm trying to make a point that he's soemwhat confbiased and isn't thinking about this critically. I'm not sure he can actually articulate why he's following you onto pooky
- I'm not sure where or why the scumread on Clover was fake.
- I guess I can sort of see the oppurtunistic argument but can you provide a few quotes that support you thinking he's being oppurtunistic (i.e. as opposed to just being strongly wrong on a read)?
- Weird nk's tend to happen because scum are planning on pushing some sort of narrative, and well, here it is. I think it's a pretty reliable tell, actually. I think townies to just shrug it off and go 'that's weird' because they don't actually know how or why that kill happened.

[Klick]

- Weird nk's tend to happen because scum are planning on pushing some sort of narrative, and well, here it is. I think it's a pretty reliable tell, actually. I think townies to just shrug it off and go 'that's weird' because they don't actually know how or why that kill happened.

Can you provide a sample of evidence suggesting this is a reliable tell? NK analysis is a standard scumhunting method and it's a bold claim to declare it a scumtell.

I'll respond to the rest in a bit

[Dumb and Dumber]

2170 describes a poe read

No, 2170 says that Pooky is scummy because he seems to want Clover executed more than he thinks Clover is scum

2172 is you saying that he ignored your questions so he's scum.

God you are a master of reduction

'Klick is scum because I think is scumread on Pooky is weak'
Is that a fair summary of your scumread on me?

2170 literally says that you townread 2/4 members of the coalition and so you're planning on voting one of the other two. It's the definition of a POE read.

And I would say the scumread on you is more 'the thought process leading from town!pooky (i.e. when you put him in the coalition) to scum!pooky (i.e. today when you started off focusing on him because you scumread him over us) entirely seems to be missing and I can't get you to articulate how or why that read changed.'

- Dumber

[Dumb and Dumber]

- Weird nk's tend to happen because scum are planning on pushing some sort of narrative, and well, here it is. I think it's a pretty reliable tell, actually. I think townies to just shrug it off and go 'that's weird' because they don't actually know how or why that kill happened.

Can you provide a sample of evidence suggesting this is a reliable tell? NK analysis is a standard scumhunting method and it's a bold claim to declare it a scumtell.

I'll respond to the rest in a bit

I'll have to do some work to see if I can do that without outing my main.

- Dumber