Micro 952 - The Coalition: ItGBSMoD [game over!]

[Datisi]

Vote count 2.07

with 7 votes in play, it takes 4 to make a decision. day 2 ends in (expired on 2020-07-16 13:15:00).

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PookyTheMagicalBear [3]:

Klick, Alduskkel, Wug

Klick [2]:

Dumb and Dumber, PookyTheMagicalBear

not voting [2]:

Deimos27, DonCorleone

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[Alduskkel]

And on top of that, you're scumreading someone who hard-defended town Day 1. What scum does that? In your scenario, it's two competing town wagons -- scum doesn't give a damn which one goes through in the end.

Well according to you, I did for Koba-town.

Are you confusing me with Klick?

My scumread isn't over-exaggerated.

Klick

has been scummy and continues to be scummy. Look at her posting this phase -- there's next to no scumhunting, basically just unhelpful interactions and an apathetic move towards voting

Pooky

when it looks like he might actually survive today against all reason. If

Klick

were town she'd be like, "oh crap, tomorrow's gonna be lylo, better scumhunt as hard as I can before I get eliminated."

And on top of that,

I'm

scumreading someone who hard-defended town Day 1. What scum does that?

Hmmmmm

False equivalency -- Klick is engaging more with the game than Pooky is, and also Klick (up until recently) probably didn't feel as though death were imminent.

I wouldn't call what Pooky did "hard-defending" of Koba.

My scumread isn't over-exaggerated. Pooky has been scummy and continues to be scummy. Look at his posting this phase -- there's next to no scumhunting, basically just unhelpful interactions and an apathetic move towards voting Klick when it looks like he might actually survive today against all reason. If Pooky were town he'd be like, "oh crap, tomorrow's gonna be lylo, better scumhunt as hard as I can before I get eliminated."

And you don't think he'd fight back as scum?
I can imagine that at least fighting back and having his partner tunnel him sets his partner up nicely; sitting back and just accepting the firing doesn't really sound like a scum!Pooky move either.
Pooky doesn't strike me as the kind of person who resigns that easily as scum.

-Dumbass

I don't think he would, especially after his twilight-not-twilight posting on Day 1. He's trying to act all "o woe is me" and fighting back hard doesn't fit that.

He might not fight back because:
1. He expected to get eliminated quickly, making it pointless.
2. The harder he fights back the more he risks giving away information about other people's alignments after he flips.

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@DC: Why do you find Klick scummier than Pooky? Is it because of Pooky's interaction with the Koba wagon? I'd like to point out that Pooky had already changed his read on Koba to town prior to Koba reaching E-1, thus a hammer would have been suspicious.

I just don't understand why you've changed your mind on Pooky vs Klick when you were so adamant earlier that eliminating Pooky was the correct decision today.

[DonCorleone]

@DC: Why do you find Klick scummier than Pooky? Is it because of Pooky's interaction with the Koba wagon? I'd like to point out that Pooky had already changed his read on Koba to town prior to Koba reaching E-1, thus a hammer would have been suspicious.

I just don't understand why you've changed your mind on Pooky vs Klick when you were so adamant earlier that eliminating Pooky was the correct decision today.

Right, only... why change his mind on it when I entered the post-coalition fail phase pushing koba and all he had to do was stay sceptical to get a hammer off and mis-exe.

Do you disagree that there was probably a scum on the koba wagon? If there was, and your answer is “it was wug” why does pooky decide to start off the day lolbussing his partner?

[DonCorleone]

I guess it's unlikely you'd give me an answer that changes my read on you, so no, it doesn't matter that much.

Thought not. But it was you calling for forming a townbloc right at the beginning — I think townblocs are great when they form naturally but I have a strong suspicion of anyone trying to force one to form, and that goes double for a setup like this

[DonCorleone]

VOTE: klick

Lord help me if I’m wrong and it’s (DnD, pooky) and DnD absolutely worked a number on me

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

False equivalency -- Klick is engaging more with the game than Pooky is, and also Klick (up until recently) probably didn't feel as though death were imminent.

PookyTheMagicalBear Jun 23, 03:36pm Jul 13, 11:52pm 0 days 15 hours 315
Klick Jun 25, 04:15pm Jul 13, 08:05pm 0 days 19 hours 247

How is Klick engaging more with the game when I have like 25% more posts than him?

I've also had meaningful fights with Clover, Koba and Klick.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

Lord help me if I’m wrong and it’s (DnD, pooky) and DnD absolutely worked a number on me

if it's me and DnD you guys can just lynch us.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

If you guys lynch me today -

Get Klick tomm and then his partner should be between Wug - Aldus.


DonC is town because

Fought v hard D1 to get onto Coalition - interaction between him/klick contentious - flipped on him twice now - would be insane scum-theater if he is really scum with Klick

Deimos is town because

Hammered D1 when scum were much better off with NL. Vibe of posts has always been solve-oriented - willing to be open to both sides - genuinely searching for solution.

DnD is town because

yea there's no way I think he's scum after the level of play he did today replacing in - scum just lets me get lynched here and takes the easy win tommorrow.


Between Aldus and Wug:

Wug - Low interaction - pretty lurky - makes sense as a silent type partner for a more dominant Klick. Klick was against a Wug Wagon on D1.

Aldus - Higher Interaction than Wug - Stronger Associatives with Klick in that he's more actively trying to push Pooky-lynch - Klick even tells everyone to sheep Aldus (WIFOM?)

Betw the 2 of them I'd probably think Wug is more likely to be the partner but just by a hair.

[DonCorleone]

What do we think about this:

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... er_sort=Go

[Deimos27]

Concerning similar to his play this game if I'm honest

[Deimos27]

Who can this man even be scum with though

[Deimos27]

VOTE: pooky

Is this the guy who's scum with him?

[Deimos27]

Aldus def ain't the guy.
It ain't you DC

[Deimos27]

Klick can still be scum with everyone and their mothers though

[Deimos27]

Well, slight exaggeration. Probably only Wug and Aldus realistically.

[DonCorleone]

Interesting— you think it looks similar to his play here? I thought it looked p different

[Deimos27]

Hmmm

[Deimos27]

Spoiler:

Pooky, if you're scum here, it's unforgivable, I hope you understand.

We're good - I'm town here

we just have to figure out who the townie is in the 3 people left over and we pretty much win

relax dude you're going to have an aneurysm at this rate.

I'm gonna get wild drunk tonight and figure out who the last good guy is

one of you 3 need to just say they're town alrdy

lets win

[Deimos27]

That read like his entrance to this game, and his 1v1ing too had a similar stubbornness as he's exhibited (e.g. against Koba).

[Dumb and Dumber]

Has DnD looked bad today? I thought they've looked pretty good.

In fact, I challenge you to sell me on this. What about DnD's performance today do you consider to be so much worse than your own, that you're amazed someone could look at them and come to the opposite conclusion?

Klick, I don't believe you answered this, and I would like to hear this too.

- Dumber

[Deimos27]

I maybe sense more reservation in the first few posts. Can you articulate what you see?

[Dumb and Dumber]

My scumread isn't over-exaggerated. Pooky has been scummy and continues to be scummy. Look at his posting this phase -- there's next to no scumhunting, basically just unhelpful interactions and an apathetic move towards voting Klick when it looks like he might actually survive today against all reason. If Pooky were town he'd be like, "oh crap, tomorrow's gonna be lylo, better scumhunt as hard as I can before I get eliminated."

I think that you're unnaturally confident on this read, and I disagree that he has not been scumhunting.

[Deimos27]

Has DnD looked bad today? I thought they've looked pretty good.

In fact, I challenge you to sell me on this. What about DnD's performance today do you consider to be so much worse than your own, that you're amazed someone could look at them and come to the opposite conclusion?

Klick, I don't believe you answered this, and I would like to hear this too.

- Dumber

I am indeed still waiting on that.

[Deimos27]

VOTE: pooky

noticed he's not the wagon any more
he should be

Wug, if you're town you gotta do better than this.

[Dumb and Dumber]

noticed he's not the wagon any more
he should be

This is a really banal reason to be voting him

- Dumber