Micro 952 - The Coalition: ItGBSMoD [game over!]

[Datisi]

Vote count 2.08

with 7 votes in play, it takes 4 to make a decision. day 2 ends in (expired on 2020-07-16 13:15:00).

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PookyTheMagicalBear [3]:

Klick, Alduskkel, Wug

Klick [3]:

Dumb and Dumber, PookyTheMagicalBear, DonCorleone

not voting [1]:

Deimos27

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[Deimos27]

Like Wug FYPOV we almost certainly lose by mislynching today cause you know you yourself have very high mislynch equity in 3p LyLo (that's even assuming we get out of the 5p tomorrow).

[Dumb and Dumber]

What do we think about this:

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... er_sort=Go

I think pretty different to this game on tone and content

- Dumber

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

If you look at my game there -

you have several differences between Pooky-Scum there and Pooky-Town here:

1) Activity/Posting:

if you look at the activity over-view I have 110 posts in that game completed while here I have over 300 posts

2) Driving the Action:

I don't drive the action nearly as much in that game as I do in this game - I hammer on all three days - I don't drive the action on the wagon - I tend to be more sneaky and in the background.


As to your point about my 1v1ing - I didn't really 1v1 with anyone in that game except maybe Varsoon and even then that is because he came after me for things that Koba did prior to entry in the game.

[Deimos27]

1) Activity/Posting:

if you look at the activity over-view I have 110 posts in that game completed while here I have over 300 posts

Your posts

per page

are almost identical — this game is about 3 times longer.

[Deimos27]

And I wield the hammer again. What is life

[Deimos27]

Is one of your heads clidd, DnD?

[Deimos27]

Actually most likely not

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

Your posts per page are almost identical — this game is about 3 times longer.

This is more of a function of how many players are posting - when you look at posts per page you're really looking as post count as a percentage of the total posts in the game as each page has a fixed number of posts.

Coalition is a 9 player game whereas the other game is a 7 player game - also not a lot of people were posting in that game in general so that will increase my post count as a percentage of the entire game.

I think a better measure would be something like posts/day -

In this game I'm at 320/20 = 16 posts per day

in that game I'm at 110/11 = 10 posts per day.

[Dumb and Dumber]

I think pretty different to this game on tone and content

Vaguely having followed select pages of the game, this is where I stand too. The kind of confidence he portrays there and aggression is completely reversed here. Pooky could absolutely be a versatile scum player, but it's more of a "would he do that" instead of "could he do that" for me: even if he planned around dying he'd have done something more is my read.

As to whether one of us is Clidd: it's elementary, my dear Watson

-Dumbass

[Dumb and Dumber]

And I wield the hammer again. What is life

Yes. And since a town firing is pretty important today, both scum pretty much have to be on the same wagon I think. Klick->Aldu->Wug

-Dumbass

[Alduskkel]

@DC: Why do you find Klick scummier than Pooky? Is it because of Pooky's interaction with the Koba wagon? I'd like to point out that Pooky had already changed his read on Koba to town prior to Koba reaching E-1, thus a hammer would have been suspicious.

I just don't understand why you've changed your mind on Pooky vs Klick when you were so adamant earlier that eliminating Pooky was the correct decision today.

Right, only... why change his mind on it when I entered the post-coalition fail phase pushing koba and all he had to do was stay sceptical to get a hammer off and mis-exe.

Do you disagree that there was probably a scum on the koba wagon? If there was, and your answer is “it was wug” why does pooky decide to start off the day lolbussing his partner?

The coalition failed at post 1269, Pooky changed his stance on Koba in 1111.

Scum on Koba's wagon was most likely you or D&D.

False equivalency -- Klick is engaging more with the game than Pooky is, and also Klick (up until recently) probably didn't feel as though death were imminent.

PookyTheMagicalBear Jun 23, 03:36pm Jul 13, 11:52pm 0 days 15 hours 315
Klick Jun 25, 04:15pm Jul 13, 08:05pm 0 days 19 hours 247

How is Klick engaging more with the game when I have like 25% more posts than him?

I've also had meaningful fights with Clover, Koba and Klick.

I meant on Day 2 specifically.

And again, post count is a very shallow measure of engagement. I was referring to the content of your posts.

Who can this man even be scum with though

D&D or DC? With a smaller chance of Wug?

My scumread isn't over-exaggerated. Pooky has been scummy and continues to be scummy. Look at his posting this phase -- there's next to no scumhunting, basically just unhelpful interactions and an apathetic move towards voting Klick when it looks like he might actually survive today against all reason. If Pooky were town he'd be like, "oh crap, tomorrow's gonna be lylo, better scumhunt as hard as I can before I get eliminated."

I think that you're unnaturally confident on this read, and I disagree that he has not been scumhunting.

I could argue you're unnaturally confident in Pooky being town.

I've explained why I suspect Pooky. If I seem "unnaturally confident" then explain in more detail why that's true.

[Deimos27]

Klick's tr of D&D at the beginning of the day was pretty forced and the "quicklynch this" on Pooky was scummy too — she should for sure be sorting D&D whom she expressed doubts about D1 (another progression I'm unsure about, considering her confidence in Sleeper town pre-coalition failure).

I do find scum!Klick a legitimate possibility.

[Deimos27]

D&D or DC? With a smaller chance of Wug?

Nah, not D&D:

Spoiler:

FTR I think Pooky/D&D just became somewhat less likely because if that team NK's in-coalition it's to sacrifice Pooky and get the other coalition member hyper townread — and D&D is now trying to save Pooky.

Just saying I'd expect a bus here to lock in the D&D WIFOM protection with Wug/Aldus/DC on the chopping block.

Assuming scum!D&D this play makes a lot more sense as setting up Klick -> Pooky or Pooky -> Klick miseliminations.

I also have a read on Sleeper's and Pooky's early-game interactions.

DC has done an insane amount of flip-flopping on Pooky. He kept him L-1 for a long time yesterday, and jumped on today as well with Klick and myself for the L-1. Weirdest buses of the century if it's Pooky/DC.

[DonCorleone]

Neither of the DnD heads is clidd I’m pretty sure

Clidd has like a pretty specific speech pattern that I think is a result of English being his second language, and that hasn’t been present at all in either head’s posting

However, clearly someone familiar with Clidd given the Sherlock reference

[Deimos27]

Yeah I thought I saw the speech pattern somewhere while reading their iso but that pattern was broken immediately thereafter

[Dumb and Dumber]

Being a secret hydra is fun

- Dumber

[Deimos27]

DC what partners can we rule out for D&D?
I think Wug at least, due to the ongoing game fiasco between Tux and Sleeper.

[Deimos27]

Klick as well because of this push, probs

[DonCorleone]

The only people I think could be partners to DnD are you and pooky

[Deimos27]

Why not Aldus?

[Deimos27]

I think you could be scum with D&D. Any interactions you can point me to that you think would disprove this?

[DonCorleone]

Err idk maybe like the fucking 8 pages of arguing between us?

[DonCorleone]

Specifically with the dumber head

[DonCorleone]

Why not Aldus?

Maybe aldus too

Idk they feel like they’re weirdly uncoordinated for that though, like they’re both pushing such different angles and that would require aldus having hard pocketed klick and DnD having hard pocketed me and while I could believe the latter maybe, I feel like it’s more klick pocketing aldus than the other way round if that’s what has happened there