Newbie 2016: Snapdragons (Game Over)

[Raya36]

jesus christ. i'm alive and all my suspects are dead

and town

.

initial thoughts: Jam-scum wouldn't have made that weird play yesterday around the Porkens wagon. Too conspicuous and odd for no reason.
Raya's posts at end of day had conviction and didn't leave herself open to a Porkens town-flip. Felt legit.
Must be at least 1 scum on the Porkens wagon because there was no reason not to be, therefore must be TTJT and/or Looker.
need to revisit 72offsuit as i think i basically locktowned him based on pork being scum.

I may be biased but 72 has been really aggressively pushing me and the reasoning doesnt all feel that great

Then convince me you are town. I have 4 scumreads, it needs to go down to 2.
Who is scum? Why are they scum? Make it foolproof.

Hurt my hand so I'd rather not type out a whole case but tomorrow I plan to go over some associations with the lynch and NK. See if I can find anything. Hopefully that will help

[Raya36]

Forgot tO add BM +72 scum team. You have two players juipsstifying you are town at the start of the day phase based on the flip. When in all honesty I feel that the flips only implicates you more because of the constant buddying with LL before Porkens and counterwagoning day 1. If you flip red your partner will be either BM and Clark.

I am also ok with a Clark vote here because of Day 1 play and I don't think early day 2 play has been helping my thoughts. Agrees you are town 72, tries to deflect attention to Jamsv, and agrees with my list despite 72 being my top scumread and town for them? Clark flip implicates BM for me.

Now BM as individual hasn't been giving me too many scumvibes, may be biased for my bro here. Associations a re what have him as a suspect.

Raya has been the scummiest player day 1 for me (Clark almost tied) and I need to see more from them here Day 2. At this point my advice would be to stop worrying about the pressure on you and instead helping scumhunt since most of their posts have been about defending themselves and I know I've been stuck in that pocket. This is also the biggest doubt I have reflecting their play.

Most of my posts were pushing Porkens slot? Not defending myself?

[72offsuit]

Will hopefully have time to continue ISOs tonight.

[Raya36]

jesus christ. i'm alive and all my suspects are dead

and town

.

initial thoughts: Jam-scum wouldn't have made that weird play yesterday around the Porkens wagon. Too conspicuous and odd for no reason.
Raya's posts at end of day had conviction and didn't leave herself open to a Porkens town-flip. Felt legit.
Must be at least 1 scum on the Porkens wagon because there was no reason not to be, therefore must be TTJT and/or Looker.
need to revisit 72offsuit as i think i basically locktowned him based on pork being scum.

I may be biased but 72 has been really aggressively pushing me and the reasoning doesnt all feel that great

I'm not even voting for you. If you are town you are playing horribly.

referring to 729 for example

[Raya36]

jesus christ. i'm alive and all my suspects are dead

and town

.

I'm sure I'm getting NKed tonight when you flip scum anyway, but they'll lynch your obvscum buddy Quick tomorrow thanks to me!

This tough for me, and somewhat WIFOMEY (apologies for using an acronym as a verb) but would scum NK their biggest scum-read? Anybody is free to weigh in here.

it's WIFOM really, but yeah, as a general rule I probably wouldn't because it basically pins you on 2 mis-elims and discredits your reads.

Having said that, he suspected me too, so 3 probable explanations for the NK:

1. I killed Quick because he suspected me.
2. Someone else killed Quick to make me look bad.
3. Someone killed Quick because they thought he was a PR, or he was an SE (although little evidence of either that I saw).

Why include yourself in the explanations....

Trying to be helpful by setting out all the possible options (obviously it isn't 1 but not everyone knows that).

But if you know it's not a possible option why even include it in YOUR list

[Looker]

991
Long Story Short
Many people have also brought up the lack of sustenance your % stuff has. It's not just me, I'm the one pushing for you to explain in depth. Once again, you were incapable of explaining any read or percentage Looker.

What people, and I think you mean substance. What part of my explanation did you not like? "Incapable"? Are you a troll account?

Try harder. My vote isn't moving, at least not for the next few days.

What part of your lazy complacency is supposed to compel me?

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• How am I an OMGUS vote on JamSV when I voted him first?
  • And if JamSV hasn't skated under the radar, why am I the first person to vote him?

[72offsuit]

jesus christ. i'm alive and all my suspects are dead

and town

.

initial thoughts: Jam-scum wouldn't have made that weird play yesterday around the Porkens wagon. Too conspicuous and odd for no reason.
Raya's posts at end of day had conviction and didn't leave herself open to a Porkens town-flip. Felt legit.
Must be at least 1 scum on the Porkens wagon because there was no reason not to be, therefore must be TTJT and/or Looker.
need to revisit 72offsuit as i think i basically locktowned him based on pork being scum.

I may be biased but 72 has been really aggressively pushing me and the reasoning doesnt all feel that great

So which push DO you like and why?

[72offsuit]

I still don;t get why !townRaya brings this up when its a new day and I was clearly voting for clark, prior to actually posting thoughts on others. So self-centric. It's scummy.

[JamSV]

Screw it. Let's test something out. I really feel Jamsv is pursuing a non issue instead of scumhunting. But maybe it's just me not understanding the percentage dispute and why it matters at all. It was just a different way to do a readlist in my eyes.

VOTE: Jamsv

You might aswell have no read list if percentages are a read list. Having no read list is as bad as having a read list with no explanations. The entire time since he brought up his first set of percentages I've asked for an explanation for the percentages, he hasn't tried to explain any of them yet. One of the first posts I made with an issue had a whole point of explaining why the percentage read list is crap and needs explanations, TTJT and Looker ignored the end of that past, asking for explanations for specific percentages and have only focused on the why from that post. All he has to do is explain any of the percentages, ideally more than one, but any of them. He hasn't. This is all an attempt from him to delay so one of us can slip up and his %s can be more accurate.

He made a post about OMGUS ( don't know how to multi quote on mobile) in which he asks how his vote can be OMGUS - I'm the only one bothering to push him thoroughly for an explanation of his "read list", and he scum reads me for it nothing more to add to this sentence.

Once again, all he has to do is explain any of his %s, rather than just saying they're made up based off of votes, I already debunked than nonsense. The more he denies the more and more certain I am he is scum, we may aswell still have Homura because of how little impact he really is having.

[TheThirteenthJT]

Just wait Quick, you are going to love what I post. A game with both you and Looker in it is bound to be a joke.

It's because I quickhammered humaneatingmonkey. Genuine aggression or are you fucking with me?

Lucky

72o

Thirteen

Looker

Quick

JamSV

Clark

BM

Raya

I'm still sold on the BM slot being scum. Sorry BM, you've been dealt a bad hand. People can deny newbie tells as legitimate, but they still work. The only reason he's not a solid

red

is because of the possibilities of angles Raya has taken. I feel that Raya has to act the way she has if Blopp is scum, because she can't win the game alone once Blopp is eliminated. I didn't immediately switch from Blopp to Raya when posting my analysis on her slot because I was giving her the benefit of the doubt, but her continued pushing in bad faith, her constant attempts to buddy half the player list, and some of 72o's points on her slot have convinced me she's 100% scum. If Blopp (BM) is scum, Raya is

always

scum. The only case where Raya is scum and blopp (BM) is not is one where Raya took an incredibly aggressive position of hard defending town!Blopp while chainsaw pushing me in hopes of chain eliminating which ever one of us doesn't get eliminated D1. In that case, Clark is positioned with the highest partner equity for Raya. I decide this because of their early interactions with Raya and their latest ISO of Raya where Raya magically becomes town at the end of it. I think it's more likely that Clark is just new and still learning than that they are scumbuddies with Raya. I think newbie scum might be more likely to join their scumbuddy in pushing me. Maybe Clark should be higher up on the list of townies, I think he's only this low because in the small case where Raya is playing super aggressively and wasn't forced to by a newbie partner getting caught and bailing, she'd need a scumbuddy that's not Blopp (BM). Anyway, it's pretty much always Blopp (BM) / Raya.

The way you ordered your list is weird to me; why put Raya at the bottom if your chief suspect is Battle Mage? And you're voting Battle Mage but say Raya has the most scum equity.

Looker replaces Homura.

Hey Looker! Please tell me if I'm crazy about thinking Lucky is scum here and your thoughts on getting a proper claim since he claimed a TPR

Hey, Raya. Fuck LuckyLuciano. I'm pretty sure he's just faking his outrage because he has no other tools in his skillset as scum. Him faking a PR was weak.

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• Currently, flip preferences are: 36% LuckyLuciano or Battle Mage | 26% 72offsuit, JamSV, or ThirteenthJT | 16% LicketyQuickety | 12% ClarkBar | 10% Raya.

VOTE: LuckyLuciano

Looker replaced Homura: Lurky as fuck. How can I read this?

I'm not lurky, you just have nothing better to do with your time. You made 72 posts in the course of a day. I have things to do, a job, and an occupation where I don't have access to my phone.

Spoiler:

Ok sorry about contributing to 10 pages today. I just finished my secodnnd read through and here’s my new spicy take:

Reya is ropebait and scum are setting up to mishang her.

El Town:
JamSV replaced individual
ClarkBar
LicketyQuickety (SE) replaced EchoVision
Raya36 (SE)
Porkens (SE) replaced LuckyLuciano

Scum are in:
Looker replaced Homura
72offsuit
Battle Mage replaced Blopp
TheThirteenthJT

(Now there is an alternate universe where Echo was scum with Blooper but that’s pretty tinfoil)

Anyway, could be shit, but there you have it.

VOTE: TheThirteenthJT

Flip preferences: 29% Porkens | 20% JamSV | 16% Raya | 14% ThirteenthJT or LicketyQuick | 12% Battle Mage | 9% 72offsuit | 0% ClarkBar

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I've been working longer hours so I'm more irritated by the time I get home. Sorry. LuckyLuciano is not a bad person. His fakeclaim and AtE are still scummy, though.

He has you pretty high on the list since it started. I feel had you not been so high on his list you wouldn't have had any problems with it

Not all readlsts have explanations to it. I haven't seen you question BM or Clark for theirs.

[TheThirteenthJT]

Towniest
TheThirteenthJT
JamSV
Raya36
72offsuit
ClarkBar
Looker
Lickety Quickety
Porkens
Scummiest

Convinced the scumpair is Lickety Quickety and Porkens. Reads subject to change depending on flips, but that's where I am now.

Grateful if, before going to night, people can give comments on Quick, in particular his progression on LL which I highlighted in post 789 (noting that now he claims LL is null).

That's BM's and NVM on Clark don't know if he posted a readlist but someone else did.

[JamSV]

Just wait Quick, you are going to love what I post. A game with both you and Looker in it is bound to be a joke.

It's because I quickhammered humaneatingmonkey. Genuine aggression or are you fucking with me?

Lucky

72o

Thirteen

Looker

Quick

JamSV

Clark

BM

Raya

I'm still sold on the BM slot being scum. Sorry BM, you've been dealt a bad hand. People can deny newbie tells as legitimate, but they still work. The only reason he's not a solid

red

is because of the possibilities of angles Raya has taken. I feel that Raya has to act the way she has if Blopp is scum, because she can't win the game alone once Blopp is eliminated. I didn't immediately switch from Blopp to Raya when posting my analysis on her slot because I was giving her the benefit of the doubt, but her continued pushing in bad faith, her constant attempts to buddy half the player list, and some of 72o's points on her slot have convinced me she's 100% scum. If Blopp (BM) is scum, Raya is

always

scum. The only case where Raya is scum and blopp (BM) is not is one where Raya took an incredibly aggressive position of hard defending town!Blopp while chainsaw pushing me in hopes of chain eliminating which ever one of us doesn't get eliminated D1. In that case, Clark is positioned with the highest partner equity for Raya. I decide this because of their early interactions with Raya and their latest ISO of Raya where Raya magically becomes town at the end of it. I think it's more likely that Clark is just new and still learning than that they are scumbuddies with Raya. I think newbie scum might be more likely to join their scumbuddy in pushing me. Maybe Clark should be higher up on the list of townies, I think he's only this low because in the small case where Raya is playing super aggressively and wasn't forced to by a newbie partner getting caught and bailing, she'd need a scumbuddy that's not Blopp (BM). Anyway, it's pretty much always Blopp (BM) / Raya.

The way you ordered your list is weird to me; why put Raya at the bottom if your chief suspect is Battle Mage? And you're voting Battle Mage but say Raya has the most scum equity.

Looker replaces Homura.

Hey Looker! Please tell me if I'm crazy about thinking Lucky is scum here and your thoughts on getting a proper claim since he claimed a TPR

Hey, Raya. Fuck LuckyLuciano. I'm pretty sure he's just faking his outrage because he has no other tools in his skillset as scum. Him faking a PR was weak.

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• Currently, flip preferences are: 36% LuckyLuciano or Battle Mage | 26% 72offsuit, JamSV, or ThirteenthJT | 16% LicketyQuickety | 12% ClarkBar | 10% Raya.

VOTE: LuckyLuciano

Looker replaced Homura: Lurky as fuck. How can I read this?

I'm not lurky, you just have nothing better to do with your time. You made 72 posts in the course of a day. I have things to do, a job, and an occupation where I don't have access to my phone.

Spoiler:

Ok sorry about contributing to 10 pages today. I just finished my secodnnd read through and here’s my new spicy take:

Reya is ropebait and scum are setting up to mishang her.

El Town:
JamSV replaced individual
ClarkBar
LicketyQuickety (SE) replaced EchoVision
Raya36 (SE)
Porkens (SE) replaced LuckyLuciano

Scum are in:
Looker replaced Homura
72offsuit
Battle Mage replaced Blopp
TheThirteenthJT

(Now there is an alternate universe where Echo was scum with Blooper but that’s pretty tinfoil)

Anyway, could be shit, but there you have it.

VOTE: TheThirteenthJT

Flip preferences: 29% Porkens | 20% JamSV | 16% Raya | 14% ThirteenthJT or LicketyQuick | 12% Battle Mage | 9% 72offsuit | 0% ClarkBar

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I've been working longer hours so I'm more irritated by the time I get home. Sorry. LuckyLuciano is not a bad person. His fakeclaim and AtE are still scummy, though.

He has you pretty high on the list since it started. I feel had you not been so high on his list you wouldn't have had any problems with it

Not all readlsts have explanations to it. I haven't seen you question BM or Clark for theirs.

The difference between BM / Clark and Looker, is that, even though BM / Clark haven't explained it inside the read list post, they've still explained some reads. Looker hasn't even done that. Not to mention, for reasons already stated, I want his reads more than everyone else's:

......... I can tell you what would be best for you and town, which would be explaining. You replaced into the game rather late, as such you've had plenty of time to read over the game, and should have one of the freshest outlooks on the game. I look forward to you being helpful for town and explaining yourself, or for you to give me more ammunition for a scum case against you.
UNVOTE: ClarkBar
VOTE: Looker

[JamSV]

@TTJT, do you not want him to explain any of the logic / processes behind his reads or not. It very much seems so that you don't.

[ClarkBar]

I think I'm going to have to side with Jam in the Looker/Jam jamboree.

Regarding the flip percentages: I asked Looker about them in 475 due to my interest in how or if those percentages match up with reads. The response came in 534. I thought it was interesting to express the perceived value of a flip into a list, and of course how scummy a player is would be a factor. The problem is in the lack of a clear explanation for why the percentages are what they are, and how or why they change. In a void, me being at 0% makes it seem like Looker

knows

I'm town. And then me going from 0% to 9% without any explanation would indicate something about how Looker sees me/the game has changed, and not sharing why is not helpful. And that's the major point I agree with Jam on, what's the point of flip preferences if there's no clarity on why those preferences are what they are or why they change?

It's true that only 6 or 7 hours elapsed from when Jam asked you about your percentages in 753, so I don't know that I'd classify that as "plenty of time" to respond. However it was at a stage of the game where a hammer was imminent and there was a lot of discussion around that. I think that in that moment Jam was more focused on hurting and upsetting me than he was your response.

• How am I an OMGUS vote on JamSV when I voted him first?

You are correct, your vote was not OMGUS in the literal sense. But your vote for Jam seemed to be purely born out of him pushing you for an explanation on your reads. Perhaps there's more to it?

[*]And if JamSV hasn't skated under the radar, why am I the first person to vote him?[/list]

When I think of somebody "skating under the radar" I think of a player who posts just enough fluffy/safe content, and when they do vote it's sheeping a strong case. Jam has not been that this game. His presence has been highly visible. I don't think it's fair to say he "parked" his vote, his interactions with LL/Porkens were plentiful and often contentious. I don't believe that being consistent in a read is scummy.

I would guess that nobody voted for him because nobody had a reason to? Can you point out a situation/time in the game where you think somebody should have?

[Battle Mage]

I think I'll just kinda do a rundown of players and update my thoughts on them. I'll try and be somewhat brief to avoid a huge wall of text. LL's absolutely insane (he was trolling, right?) play from yesterday makes the wagon against him a little tough to dissect. LL sunk that slot to a point where scum could happily and justifiably sit on that wagon/join the push. That makes things tough, but there are other things to consider in when updating reads.

I agree with this, and can't see any reason why scum wouldn't be on that wagon? unless they were of the mind they could push through another mislynch and keep that one on the backburner, but don't recall anything which looked like a serious counterwagon. It wasn't just LL, in some ways Porkens was worse, doing the same thing as LL did all over again (albeit slightly more discreetly). It was a horrible slot, although I had another one the same in a mini normal which just finished (with me and Raya) - a player who I was "96% sure" was scum from the way they played, flipped town Day 1, but luckily we still won.

Battle Mage:

Things get a little more murky here. Having both of his top scum-reads both flip town isn't without some comedy. Obviously Porkens was a wagon anyone could get on, but the Quick thing never really went over with me. BM accuses me of having my blinkers on, but I never found anything really compelling about scum!Quick. So is BM's push on Quick genuine or an attempt to test the waters for an alternate wagon? Well given the NK of Quick such an effort would have been for nothing. Also, BM NK'ing Quick after he made him an avatar would be pretty rude. Porkens votes BM near the end of D1, and some of his reasoning resonates with me. I have only one completed game, and in that scum came in as a replacement and did a bunch catch-up posts that were essentially fluff that appeared pro-town/high-effort. I think BM's takes are slightly better and he has some real takes, as horribly wrong as they turned out. Anyways, we get to D2. I appreciate that my posts and questions early on may have seemed a little cryptic, they weren't meant to be. I certainly don't think they were scummy. My 959 could certainly have been worded better, but I'm not ducking anything. I guess I'm walking you through 954 right now. Certainly don't think I was being dodgy. All of this is to say that BM's vote on me (a player he has consistently given at least a weak town-read to all game) seems to come out of nowhere and the reasons backing it seem thin. He says he has a theory he wants to test. I had a guess as to what that might be last night, but on second thought I might be projecting a bit there. Seems so many players have their little tests that seem to go unexplained. It may be connected to 988 and the pressure comment. Pressure to do what? What are asking of me that more pressure will deliver? I think this slot is a null for me for now, but I have some serious apprehension.

Quick was scummy for just cruising through the game, with a lazy tunnel on me, and without really engaging properly. In hindsight it was just lazy and uninterested town, and most of my case was predicated on an LL scum-flip anyway as the most obvious buddy. I won't rehash it unless it's particularly helpful, but I wasn't pushing some weak shizz.
Resent the assertion my comments on the game before I joined were just fluff - they were designed to help me get properly immersed into the game, and to invite discussion and give people an opportunity to challenge and engage with my views on what had happened to date. I've never done it before, but think it is a good thing to do, it's pretty lame when people replace in and basically ignore everything that's happened before. In future, I'd probably do it more succinctly. On my vote on you, it's probably fair that it's come out of nowhere, although you could level that challenge at me basically whatever I do - I mean, I shot my load a bit early on Day 1, and had largely town-blocked everyone else by default. I agree I don't have strong reasons, but don't always need them! I will obviously explain my theory when the time is right.

I'm only interested in lynching one of: Clarkbar, TTJT and 72offsuit today.

This doesn't mean I'm assuming both scum are necessarily in this block, but I don't currently want to push Raya, Looker or Jam today for reasons I will not disclose.

[Battle Mage]

Jamsv what are your thoughts on 72. You disagree with my assessment on them so I'm curious where you stand. Do you also have a readlist anywhere?

72 similar questions right now. How do you fe about Jamsv and Looker. Town v town. Scum v town? Scum v scum.

PS I am ready to change my vote to add pressure to a wagon but these questions will need to be answered first.

BM me and Clark is a wild theory. Did you ever look at rv's questioned I asked and Clark's answer? To be honest should be proof enough that didn't warn him how to not answer it.

Screw it. Let's test something out. I really feel Jamsv is pursuing a non issue instead of scumhunting. But maybe it's just me not understanding the percentage dispute and why it matters at all. It was just a different way to do a readlist in my eyes.

VOTE: Jamsv

I agree with you insofar as Jam's argument about percentages is a non-issue and doesn't matter. However that doesn't make Jam scum necessarily. If you wanted to add pressure to a wagon, why not join me in Clark country? I want to test my theory - we don't necessarily have to lynch him.

[Battle Mage]

jesus christ. i'm alive and all my suspects are dead

and town

.

I'm sure I'm getting NKed tonight when you flip scum anyway, but they'll lynch your obvscum buddy Quick tomorrow thanks to me!

This tough for me, and somewhat WIFOMEY (apologies for using an acronym as a verb) but would scum NK their biggest scum-read? Anybody is free to weigh in here.

it's WIFOM really, but yeah, as a general rule I probably wouldn't because it basically pins you on 2 mis-elims and discredits your reads.

Having said that, he suspected me too, so 3 probable explanations for the NK:

1. I killed Quick because he suspected me.
2. Someone else killed Quick to make me look bad.
3. Someone killed Quick because they thought he was a PR, or he was an SE (although little evidence of either that I saw).

Why include yourself in the explanations....

Trying to be helpful by setting out all the possible options (obviously it isn't 1 but not everyone knows that).

But if you know it's not a possible option why even include it in YOUR list

I'm not sure why you're getting hung up on this? It wasn't a list 'for me', I was answering a question from Clark, a newbie whose alignment I do not know, in a newbie game. Do you think it would be more helpful or protown if I excluded it? This is a moot point, but I feel like you're going to continue to push it nonetheless because it's low effort shade.

[Battle Mage]

Screw it. Let's test something out. I really feel Jamsv is pursuing a non issue instead of scumhunting. But maybe it's just me not understanding the percentage dispute and why it matters at all. It was just a different way to do a readlist in my eyes.

VOTE: Jamsv

You might aswell have no read list if percentages are a read list. Having no read list is as bad as having a read list with no explanations. The entire time since he brought up his first set of percentages I've asked for an explanation for the percentages, he hasn't tried to explain any of them yet. One of the first posts I made with an issue had a whole point of explaining why the percentage read list is crap and needs explanations, TTJT and Looker ignored the end of that past, asking for explanations for specific percentages and have only focused on the why from that post. All he has to do is explain any of the percentages, ideally more than one, but any of them. He hasn't. This is all an attempt from him to delay so one of us can slip up and his %s can be more accurate.

He made a post about OMGUS ( don't know how to multi quote on mobile) in which he asks how his vote can be OMGUS - I'm the only one bothering to push him thoroughly for an explanation of his "read list", and he scum reads me for it nothing more to add to this sentence.

Once again, all he has to do is explain any of his %s, rather than just saying they're made up based off of votes, I already debunked than nonsense. The more he denies the more and more certain I am he is scum, we may aswell still have Homura because of how little impact he really is having.

I sort of respect this, as a BM-esque push (tunnelling to the extent you've lost sight of the big picture). You should try and meta Looker - I've played with him loads of times and he is always like this, as town and scum. I'd only be considering a Looker-elim before LyLo if nobody else looked scummy, which is not the case here. He will need to be considered as part of the mix tomorrow if we fail to hit scum today.

[ClarkBar]

This doesn't mean I'm assuming both scum are necessarily in this block, but I don't currently want to push Raya, Looker or Jam today for reasons I will not disclose.

Ugh, looks like my guess about your theory was right after all. Good job on your soft-claim breadcrumbs btw, nice touch.

[Battle Mage]

Just wait Quick, you are going to love what I post. A game with both you and Looker in it is bound to be a joke.

It's because I quickhammered humaneatingmonkey. Genuine aggression or are you fucking with me?

Lucky

72o

Thirteen

Looker

Quick

JamSV

Clark

BM

Raya

I'm still sold on the BM slot being scum. Sorry BM, you've been dealt a bad hand. People can deny newbie tells as legitimate, but they still work. The only reason he's not a solid

red

is because of the possibilities of angles Raya has taken. I feel that Raya has to act the way she has if Blopp is scum, because she can't win the game alone once Blopp is eliminated. I didn't immediately switch from Blopp to Raya when posting my analysis on her slot because I was giving her the benefit of the doubt, but her continued pushing in bad faith, her constant attempts to buddy half the player list, and some of 72o's points on her slot have convinced me she's 100% scum. If Blopp (BM) is scum, Raya is

always

scum. The only case where Raya is scum and blopp (BM) is not is one where Raya took an incredibly aggressive position of hard defending town!Blopp while chainsaw pushing me in hopes of chain eliminating which ever one of us doesn't get eliminated D1. In that case, Clark is positioned with the highest partner equity for Raya. I decide this because of their early interactions with Raya and their latest ISO of Raya where Raya magically becomes town at the end of it. I think it's more likely that Clark is just new and still learning than that they are scumbuddies with Raya. I think newbie scum might be more likely to join their scumbuddy in pushing me. Maybe Clark should be higher up on the list of townies, I think he's only this low because in the small case where Raya is playing super aggressively and wasn't forced to by a newbie partner getting caught and bailing, she'd need a scumbuddy that's not Blopp (BM). Anyway, it's pretty much always Blopp (BM) / Raya.

The way you ordered your list is weird to me; why put Raya at the bottom if your chief suspect is Battle Mage? And you're voting Battle Mage but say Raya has the most scum equity.

Looker replaces Homura.

Hey Looker! Please tell me if I'm crazy about thinking Lucky is scum here and your thoughts on getting a proper claim since he claimed a TPR

Hey, Raya. Fuck LuckyLuciano. I'm pretty sure he's just faking his outrage because he has no other tools in his skillset as scum. Him faking a PR was weak.

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• Currently, flip preferences are: 36% LuckyLuciano or Battle Mage | 26% 72offsuit, JamSV, or ThirteenthJT | 16% LicketyQuickety | 12% ClarkBar | 10% Raya.

VOTE: LuckyLuciano

Looker replaced Homura: Lurky as fuck. How can I read this?

I'm not lurky, you just have nothing better to do with your time. You made 72 posts in the course of a day. I have things to do, a job, and an occupation where I don't have access to my phone.

Spoiler:

Ok sorry about contributing to 10 pages today. I just finished my secodnnd read through and here’s my new spicy take:

Reya is ropebait and scum are setting up to mishang her.

El Town:
JamSV replaced individual
ClarkBar
LicketyQuickety (SE) replaced EchoVision
Raya36 (SE)
Porkens (SE) replaced LuckyLuciano

Scum are in:
Looker replaced Homura
72offsuit
Battle Mage replaced Blopp
TheThirteenthJT

(Now there is an alternate universe where Echo was scum with Blooper but that’s pretty tinfoil)

Anyway, could be shit, but there you have it.

VOTE: TheThirteenthJT

Flip preferences: 29% Porkens | 20% JamSV | 16% Raya | 14% ThirteenthJT or LicketyQuick | 12% Battle Mage | 9% 72offsuit | 0% ClarkBar

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I've been working longer hours so I'm more irritated by the time I get home. Sorry. LuckyLuciano is not a bad person. His fakeclaim and AtE are still scummy, though.

He has you pretty high on the list since it started. I feel had you not been so high on his list you wouldn't have had any problems with it

Not all readlsts have explanations to it. I haven't seen you question BM or Clark for theirs.

The difference between BM / Clark and Looker, is that, even though BM / Clark haven't explained it inside the read list post, they've still explained some reads. Looker hasn't even done that. Not to mention, for reasons already stated, I want his reads more than everyone else's:

......... I can tell you what would be best for you and town, which would be explaining. You replaced into the game rather late, as such you've had plenty of time to read over the game, and should have one of the freshest outlooks on the game. I look forward to you being helpful for town and explaining yourself, or for you to give me more ammunition for a scum case against you.
UNVOTE: ClarkBar
VOTE: Looker

Why does replacing in late mean you have more time to read the game? The opposite should be true - it should be easier to have good reads if you've been there since the start. It's not clear why you think his reads would therefore be more valuable than anyone else's, which appears to be the point you're pressing with TTJT above?

@TTJT, do you not want him to explain any of the logic / processes behind his reads or not. It very much seems so that you don't.

I won't speak for TTJT, but personally I don't really care either way (no offence Looker!)

[Battle Mage]

This doesn't mean I'm assuming both scum are necessarily in this block, but I don't currently want to push Raya, Looker or Jam today for reasons I will not disclose.

Ugh, looks like my guess about your theory was right after all. Good job on your soft-claim breadcrumbs btw, nice touch.

what was your guess?

[JamSV]

Just wait Quick, you are going to love what I post. A game with both you and Looker in it is bound to be a joke.

It's because I quickhammered humaneatingmonkey. Genuine aggression or are you fucking with me?

Lucky

72o

Thirteen

Looker

Quick

JamSV

Clark

BM

Raya

I'm still sold on the BM slot being scum. Sorry BM, you've been dealt a bad hand. People can deny newbie tells as legitimate, but they still work. The only reason he's not a solid

red

is because of the possibilities of angles Raya has taken. I feel that Raya has to act the way she has if Blopp is scum, because she can't win the game alone once Blopp is eliminated. I didn't immediately switch from Blopp to Raya when posting my analysis on her slot because I was giving her the benefit of the doubt, but her continued pushing in bad faith, her constant attempts to buddy half the player list, and some of 72o's points on her slot have convinced me she's 100% scum. If Blopp (BM) is scum, Raya is

always

scum. The only case where Raya is scum and blopp (BM) is not is one where Raya took an incredibly aggressive position of hard defending town!Blopp while chainsaw pushing me in hopes of chain eliminating which ever one of us doesn't get eliminated D1. In that case, Clark is positioned with the highest partner equity for Raya. I decide this because of their early interactions with Raya and their latest ISO of Raya where Raya magically becomes town at the end of it. I think it's more likely that Clark is just new and still learning than that they are scumbuddies with Raya. I think newbie scum might be more likely to join their scumbuddy in pushing me. Maybe Clark should be higher up on the list of townies, I think he's only this low because in the small case where Raya is playing super aggressively and wasn't forced to by a newbie partner getting caught and bailing, she'd need a scumbuddy that's not Blopp (BM). Anyway, it's pretty much always Blopp (BM) / Raya.

The way you ordered your list is weird to me; why put Raya at the bottom if your chief suspect is Battle Mage? And you're voting Battle Mage but say Raya has the most scum equity.

Looker replaces Homura.

Hey Looker! Please tell me if I'm crazy about thinking Lucky is scum here and your thoughts on getting a proper claim since he claimed a TPR

Hey, Raya. Fuck LuckyLuciano. I'm pretty sure he's just faking his outrage because he has no other tools in his skillset as scum. Him faking a PR was weak.

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• Currently, flip preferences are: 36% LuckyLuciano or Battle Mage | 26% 72offsuit, JamSV, or ThirteenthJT | 16% LicketyQuickety | 12% ClarkBar | 10% Raya.

VOTE: LuckyLuciano

Looker replaced Homura: Lurky as fuck. How can I read this?

I'm not lurky, you just have nothing better to do with your time. You made 72 posts in the course of a day. I have things to do, a job, and an occupation where I don't have access to my phone.

Spoiler:

Ok sorry about contributing to 10 pages today. I just finished my secodnnd read through and here’s my new spicy take:

Reya is ropebait and scum are setting up to mishang her.

El Town:
JamSV replaced individual
ClarkBar
LicketyQuickety (SE) replaced EchoVision
Raya36 (SE)
Porkens (SE) replaced LuckyLuciano

Scum are in:
Looker replaced Homura
72offsuit
Battle Mage replaced Blopp
TheThirteenthJT

(Now there is an alternate universe where Echo was scum with Blooper but that’s pretty tinfoil)

Anyway, could be shit, but there you have it.

VOTE: TheThirteenthJT

Flip preferences: 29% Porkens | 20% JamSV | 16% Raya | 14% ThirteenthJT or LicketyQuick | 12% Battle Mage | 9% 72offsuit | 0% ClarkBar

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I've been working longer hours so I'm more irritated by the time I get home. Sorry. LuckyLuciano is not a bad person. His fakeclaim and AtE are still scummy, though.

He has you pretty high on the list since it started. I feel had you not been so high on his list you wouldn't have had any problems with it

Not all readlsts have explanations to it. I haven't seen you question BM or Clark for theirs.

The difference between BM / Clark and Looker, is that, even though BM / Clark haven't explained it inside the read list post, they've still explained some reads. Looker hasn't even done that. Not to mention, for reasons already stated, I want his reads more than everyone else's:

......... I can tell you what would be best for you and town, which would be explaining. You replaced into the game rather late, as such you've had plenty of time to read over the game, and should have one of the freshest outlooks on the game. I look forward to you being helpful for town and explaining yourself, or for you to give me more ammunition for a scum case against you.
UNVOTE: ClarkBar
VOTE: Looker

Why does replacing in late mean you have more time to read the game? The opposite should be true - it should be easier to have good reads if you've been there since the start. It's not clear why you think his reads would therefore be more valuable than anyone else's, which appears to be the point you're pressing with TTJT above?

@TTJT, do you not want him to explain any of the logic / processes behind his reads or not. It very much seems so that you don't.

I won't speak for TTJT, but personally I don't really care either way (no offence Looker!)

Just wait Quick, you are going to love what I post. A game with both you and Looker in it is bound to be a joke.

It's because I quickhammered humaneatingmonkey. Genuine aggression or are you fucking with me?

Lucky

72o

Thirteen

Looker

Quick

JamSV

Clark

BM

Raya

I'm still sold on the BM slot being scum. Sorry BM, you've been dealt a bad hand. People can deny newbie tells as legitimate, but they still work. The only reason he's not a solid

red

is because of the possibilities of angles Raya has taken. I feel that Raya has to act the way she has if Blopp is scum, because she can't win the game alone once Blopp is eliminated. I didn't immediately switch from Blopp to Raya when posting my analysis on her slot because I was giving her the benefit of the doubt, but her continued pushing in bad faith, her constant attempts to buddy half the player list, and some of 72o's points on her slot have convinced me she's 100% scum. If Blopp (BM) is scum, Raya is

always

scum. The only case where Raya is scum and blopp (BM) is not is one where Raya took an incredibly aggressive position of hard defending town!Blopp while chainsaw pushing me in hopes of chain eliminating which ever one of us doesn't get eliminated D1. In that case, Clark is positioned with the highest partner equity for Raya. I decide this because of their early interactions with Raya and their latest ISO of Raya where Raya magically becomes town at the end of it. I think it's more likely that Clark is just new and still learning than that they are scumbuddies with Raya. I think newbie scum might be more likely to join their scumbuddy in pushing me. Maybe Clark should be higher up on the list of townies, I think he's only this low because in the small case where Raya is playing super aggressively and wasn't forced to by a newbie partner getting caught and bailing, she'd need a scumbuddy that's not Blopp (BM). Anyway, it's pretty much always Blopp (BM) / Raya.

The way you ordered your list is weird to me; why put Raya at the bottom if your chief suspect is Battle Mage? And you're voting Battle Mage but say Raya has the most scum equity.

Looker replaces Homura.

Hey Looker! Please tell me if I'm crazy about thinking Lucky is scum here and your thoughts on getting a proper claim since he claimed a TPR

Hey, Raya. Fuck LuckyLuciano. I'm pretty sure he's just faking his outrage because he has no other tools in his skillset as scum. Him faking a PR was weak.

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• Currently, flip preferences are: 36% LuckyLuciano or Battle Mage | 26% 72offsuit, JamSV, or ThirteenthJT | 16% LicketyQuickety | 12% ClarkBar | 10% Raya.

VOTE: LuckyLuciano

Looker replaced Homura: Lurky as fuck. How can I read this?

I'm not lurky, you just have nothing better to do with your time. You made 72 posts in the course of a day. I have things to do, a job, and an occupation where I don't have access to my phone.

Spoiler:

Ok sorry about contributing to 10 pages today. I just finished my secodnnd read through and here’s my new spicy take:

Reya is ropebait and scum are setting up to mishang her.

El Town:
JamSV replaced individual
ClarkBar
LicketyQuickety (SE) replaced EchoVision
Raya36 (SE)
Porkens (SE) replaced LuckyLuciano

Scum are in:
Looker replaced Homura
72offsuit
Battle Mage replaced Blopp
TheThirteenthJT

(Now there is an alternate universe where Echo was scum with Blooper but that’s pretty tinfoil)

Anyway, could be shit, but there you have it.

VOTE: TheThirteenthJT

Flip preferences: 29% Porkens | 20% JamSV | 16% Raya | 14% ThirteenthJT or LicketyQuick | 12% Battle Mage | 9% 72offsuit | 0% ClarkBar

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I've been working longer hours so I'm more irritated by the time I get home. Sorry. LuckyLuciano is not a bad person. His fakeclaim and AtE are still scummy, though.

He has you pretty high on the list since it started. I feel had you not been so high on his list you wouldn't have had any problems with it

Not all readlsts have explanations to it. I haven't seen you question BM or Clark for theirs.

The difference between BM / Clark and Looker, is that, even though BM / Clark haven't explained it inside the read list post, they've still explained some reads. Looker hasn't even done that. Not to mention, for reasons already stated, I want his reads more than everyone else's:

......... I can tell you what would be best for you and town, which would be explaining. You replaced into the game rather late, as such you've had plenty of time to read over the game, and should have one of the freshest outlooks on the game. I look forward to you being helpful for town and explaining yourself, or for you to give me more ammunition for a scum case against you.
UNVOTE: ClarkBar
VOTE: Looker

Why does replacing in late mean you have more time to read the game? The opposite should be true - it should be easier to have good reads if you've been there since the start. It's not clear why you think his reads would therefore be more valuable than anyone else's, which appears to be the point you're pressing with TTJT above?

@TTJT, do you not want him to explain any of the logic / processes behind his reads or not. It very much seems so that you don't.

I won't speak for TTJT, but personally I don't really care either way (no offence Looker!)

I'd spoiler it but IDK how to, last time it broke. Replacing in doesn't mean you had more time to read the game. I said he'd had plenty of time to read over the game, at the time the post was made, meaning, he had enough time, to have already read + caught up.

I think it would be more valuable in a way, because it would be fresh, to go into more depth as to what that means, imagine if the RVS stage was started after 10 pages were already done, it would be of a higher quality. Additionally, and probably more important, as the game goes on, your more likely to change your mind, if you had a blank slate, from replacing in or from other means, there'd be no bias from previous scuffles, you'd get more of a safe read for your first read, there'd be a good opportunity to start pressuring / to form a new wagon also. They were just a few examples of why it would've been nice, and rather useful to get an actual read list.

Once again, because he'll have to address it soon, as basically all my posts regarding Looker have included it. Explain the bloomin' percentage read list already Looker. To all non UK residents please read bloomin with a u sound instead of an oo sound for authenticity ty.

[TheThirteenthJT]

Ideally yes I would want someone to explain their reads. Does it make them scummy for not doing. Not 100% of the time. My whole issue with it is do how minimal impact this discussion has on the game when I see clearer targets.

My elim pool right now is Clark orr 72 basically. I wanted to see how Jamsv and Looker reacted with my vote but I don't think it's had a big impact.

Clark is at l-2? Let me look back after I post this.

[TheThirteenthJT]

Yup l-2. I actually wouldn't want a quickhammers this day so I'm not risking it. Maybe Clark should claim at l-2?

[JamSV]

Ideally yes I would want someone to explain their reads. Does it make them scummy for not doing. Not 100% of the time. My whole issue with it is do how minimal impact this discussion has on the game when I see clearer targets.

My elim pool right now is Clark orr 72 basically. I wanted to see how Jamsv and Looker reacted with my vote but I don't think it's had a big impact.

Clark is at l-2? Let me look back after I post this.

In the nicest way, saying you're testing something just kind of made me feel like, oh he isn't actually suspicious, IDK it just felt like it removes a lot of the pressure.