Newbie 2016: Snapdragons (Game Over)

[TheThirteenthJT]

Ideally yes I would want someone to explain their reads. Does it make them scummy for not doing. Not 100% of the time. My whole issue with it is do how minimal impact this discussion has on the game when I see clearer targets.

My elim pool right now is Clark orr 72 basically. I wanted to see how Jamsv and Looker reacted with my vote but I don't think it's had a big impact.

Clark is at l-2? Let me look back after I post this.

In the nicest way, saying you're testing something just kind of made me feel like, oh he isn't actually suspicious, IDK it just felt like it removes a lot of the pressure.

I know UNVOTE:

You were my least scummy read so it should have been obvious it was a test whether I said it or not. I honestly don't think it had any effect even before saying this. And it wasnt just you it was also for Looker but he flat out ignored someone else joining your wagon. Right now the only way I see you as scum is based on your partners flip. My heart was not in your vote at all and I couldn't even muster the energy to fake it. But I will say this don't feel safe with me lol. I've done it before were I vote against my own reads if I trust the players around me.

[TheThirteenthJT]

VOTE: clark

L-1 I will policy elim your ass tomorrow if you hammer (Jamsv!)

Let's test BMs theory. Ps BM if this nothing you rise in my suspicion list.

[ClarkBar]

Yup l-2. I actually wouldn't want a quickhammers this day so I'm not risking it. Maybe Clark should claim at l-2?

I feel that claims are probs best at L-1 with notice of intent. What do you think of the case against me?

pre-edit: Oh neat

[TheThirteenthJT]

I built the early case against you lol.

[ClarkBar]

If anyone hammers me while I'm writing my next post I quit this game forever.

[JamSV]

VOTE: clark

L-1 I will policy elim your ass tomorrow if you hammer (Jamsv!)

Let's test BMs theory. Ps BM if this nothing you rise in my suspicion list.

If anyone hammers me while I'm writing my next post I quit this game forever.

I.. I really... the temptations

[JamSV]

VOTE: clark

L-1 I will policy elim your ass tomorrow if you hammer (Jamsv!)

Let's test BMs theory. Ps BM if this nothing you rise in my suspicion list.

By the way just before I go off, there are certain things I'll stand by as a matter of policy regardless of meta.

• Quickhammers are NAI, however quickhammers without explanation or warning are Scum Indicative.
• The pretext, something is so scummy, therefore I'm not scum, is highly scummy
• Wagoning is NAI
• I don't like going off of meta nor previous games
• I assume everybody is a good player regardless of experience

With all that send, let's have a good game.

DW I will never quick hammer.

[TheThirteenthJT]

UNVOTE: clark

My votes on you. I just don't trust people.

[TheThirteenthJT]

72 you pinky swear not to hammer too? Lol

VOTE: clark

I'm a bit off my rocker today.

[JamSV]

72 you pinky swear not to hammer too? Lol

VOTE: clark

I'm a bit off my rocker today.

I mean, I do like a good round of poker, but I'm not 72.

[TheThirteenthJT]

Nah 72 and I have history now. A bit of a previous game situation...joke lol.

You said you wouldn't above so I'm trusting you. Raya is a question mark but they are already in the chopping block so wouldn't make sense. And Looker I don't think would quickhammers Clark unless 100% scum. Clark could hammer clark but shouldn't if town.

[TheThirteenthJT]

Wait 72 is already on this wagon.

[ClarkBar]

what was your guess?

Well I'm at E-1 so I guess there's no need to be coy. I think that based off my posting early in D-2 you began to suspect that I had a PR. You wanted to find out so you strongly encouraged a wagon against me despite not having any real problem with me D-2. Your reason for voting me is thin enough, but the active encouragement for others to join (988) was for one reason- getting a claim from me.

I want to test my theory - we don't necessarily have to lynch him.

If you think I'm scum and are urging others to join my wagon, but you don't need to execute me? Well I suppose my being executed would be a bonus for you as you get a bonus NK.

I also think that in case I do claim a PR you have been setting the table to discredit that claim. You can say that you knew I would claim and the reason for my wagon getting to that point was to trap me in making a claim. While doing this you breadcrumb that you may have the PR you suspect I may actually have:

This doesn't mean I'm assuming both scum are necessarily in this block, but I don't currently want to push Raya, Looker or Jam today for reasons I will not disclose.

You use the cop emoji and suggest that you have privileged information that only a PR (or scum in your case) would have. You are baiting me to get setup info, to reveal a PR for a NK, or in the best case scenario to get me executed by convincing town that a PR claim by me would be bogus. Hence your bread crumbing of a PR and a "theory".

[ClarkBar]

I am the cop, so it worked. I investigated the 13JT overnight. He's town.

I'm not sure if this is the best way to go about this, but we'll see.

VOTE: Battle Mage

Raya may still be scum, those little hints about who he doesn't want executed has his partner in it as well as somebody he want to pocket (Jam).

[JamSV]

what was your guess?

Well I'm at E-1 so I guess there's no need to be coy. I think that based off my posting early in D-2 you began to suspect that I had a PR. You wanted to find out so you strongly encouraged a wagon against me despite not having any real problem with me D-2. Your reason for voting me is thin enough, but the active encouragement for others to join (988) was for one reason- getting a claim from me.

I want to test my theory - we don't necessarily have to lynch him.

If you think I'm scum and are urging others to join my wagon, but you don't need to execute me? Well I suppose my being executed would be a bonus for you as you get a bonus NK.

I also think that in case I do claim a PR you have been setting the table to discredit that claim. You can say that you knew I would claim and the reason for my wagon getting to that point was to trap me in making a claim. While doing this you breadcrumb that you may have the PR you suspect I may actually have:

This doesn't mean I'm assuming both scum are necessarily in this block, but I don't currently want to push Raya, Looker or Jam today for reasons I will not disclose.

You use the cop emoji and suggest that you have privileged information that only a PR (or scum in your case) would have. You are baiting me to get setup info, to reveal a PR for a NK, or in the best case scenario to get me executed by convincing town that a PR claim by me would be bogus. Hence your bread crumbing of a PR and a "theory".

This is a trap by the way, but do answer it if you wish, Clark are you and Raya masons?

[JamSV]

EBWOP hold up, that's a claim.

[TheThirteenthJT]

I'm convinced clark BM scum team.

UNVOTE: clark still going to do this as a safe but sorry bet.

[ClarkBar]

BM may have also been worried that I investigated him overnight (and it was a very close call) and wanted to discredit any claim I made about his alignment. More reason to pin down if I had a PR, what it was, and hopefully discredit any claim I might make.

[JamSV]

I am the cop, so it worked. I investigated the 13JT overnight. He's town.

I'm not sure if this is the best way to go about this, but we'll see.

VOTE: Battle Mage

Raya may still be scum, those little hints about who he doesn't want executed has his partner in it as well as somebody he want to pocket (Jam).

May I ask, why 13JT and not somebody like Raya?

[ClarkBar]

I'm convinced clark BM scum team.

You give me too much credit.

[JamSV]

I don't get why one would opt to do 13JT over others.

[ClarkBar]

Raya would have been a fine choice, but it was really between BM and 13JT. I chose not to investigate BM because I was worried that if he were town then he would indeed be a good pick for a NK. I didn't want to waste my power. Also, 13JT was pressuring me a lot D1 for reasons that didn't rub me the right way, and I knew that 13JT would probably push me again today. If he and I did get into it today I would liked the benefit of knowing whether his push was genuine or not so I could focus my attention in the right place.

[Battle Mage]

I am the cop, so it worked. I investigated the 13JT overnight. He's town.

I'm not sure if this is the best way to go about this, but we'll see.

VOTE: Battle Mage

Raya may still be scum, those little hints about who he doesn't want executed has his partner in it as well as somebody he want to pocket (Jam).

LOL that definitely wasn't my theory...

UNVOTE:

I need to re-evaluate the game (again).

[ClarkBar]

I don't get why one would opt to do 13JT over others.

In hindsight BM was the right choice. This is my first time in this position, I made a choice and I stuck to it.

[TheThirteenthJT]

What was your theory BM?