Newbie 2019 | Game Over!

[GeniusGamer]

The problem I see with having post based reads is that they are not alignment indicative so it’s not a real solid way to read players.

Either I’m missing something in your argument, or you’re missing something in mine. Everyone is either town or scum. I provided a reason why he would do it as town and a reason why he would do it as scum. I could do that for basically any action that anyone carried out. My approach is to analyze what players do.

It is to understand what they would do in certain situations and why they would do what they have already done.

I get your analysis, but you have no idea what certain players would do in a given situation. Sure you can speculate, but that’s all it is, speculation.

This is the basis of the game. I think your response here was unhelpful.

Those are my thoughts on you for now! It could definitely change.

You’re right. It is the basis of the game. And that fact is my point exactly. I was questioned for determining the reasons why a player would do something. Your comment shows that I made my intentions clear: play the game.

[N0bleNoob]

My main suspects for now are those accusing others of being scum, it seems to me a good way to keep yourself from being seen as scum if you accuse others of being the same.

By this logic, how do we find scum if we never accuse anyone of being scum? Or maybe I'm misunderstanding what you're trying to say here

I think at this point in the game it would be very early to think that another person is scum, because of the early stage of the game there can be no built up evidence that supports any ones accusations.

[Redados]

My main suspects for now are those accusing others of being scum, it seems to me a good way to keep yourself from being seen as scum if you accuse others of being the same.

By this logic, how do we find scum if we never accuse anyone of being scum? Or maybe I'm misunderstanding what you're trying to say here

I think at this point in the game it would be very early to think that another person is scum, because of the early stage of the game there can be no built up evidence that supports any ones accusations.

Okay, I see what you're saying. You're saying "it seems to me a good way to keep yourself from being seen as scum if you accuse others of being the same

this early in the game

". Thanks for clarifying.

[ItalianoVD]

mafia would not have the motivation to investigate, but what better way to defend yourself as mafia than play the part of the investigatory townsperson?
This is still my rebuttal for that statement, it DOES NOT MATTER the motivations of what a scum would be, smart people would not play like scum so they would not be seen as scum.

I like this because what it does is get people thinking about the whole picture and not base your read(s) on only one thing.

For example we don’t know who the scum are. They could both be noobs, they could both be SEs or it could be one experienced and one noob. Putting tells/reads into a cookie cutter is dangerous for town and scum can take advantage of that.

I thought that you jumped on me a little quick, with little basis in why you jumped on me.

You pushed because I wanted to play the game and participate in the game?

That’s not it at all. I pushed on you because of a scumtell that has some history of being done before both on and offsite.

I find it a little disturbing that you seem to be putting so much trust in the SEs. For all we know there’s only one that we can trust. Not to mention that being an SE in and of itself makes you no better than a newbie. I think

everybody

should add in their two cents in some way and that

everybody’s

thoughts should be regarded with no basis in prior experience in this site. It doesn’t sound like you’re planning to do that.

Well as a newbie, I don’t know some of the things on this site like the SEs do. They know the meta, certain tells and more often than not they are fairly accurate in their town tells. Having town tells can eliminate candidates for scum which in part narrows down the field and helps find the scum easier. I’m not disregarding anyone else’s opinions or thoughts. Maybe I’m giving them too much respect huh?

I’m letting the town in on my thoughts, but I see a couple of you have a problem with it so I may just dial it back.

Either I’m missing something in your argument, or you’re missing something in mine. Everyone is either town or scum. I provided a reason why he would do it as town and a reason why he would do it as scum. I could do that for basically any action that anyone carried out. My approach is to analyze what players do.

It is to understand what they would do in certain situations and why they would do what they have already done.

I get your analysis, but you have no idea what certain players would do in a given situation. Sure you can speculate, but that’s all it is, speculation.

After reading it back again, I admit it sounded harsh. My apologies. I kinda tell it like it is so forgive me my responses have sounded this way. I will try to adjust it from now on.

[Porkens]

Does anyone want to ask me questions?

[Redados]

Does anyone want to ask me questions?

Who do you think is scum?

[Porkens]

Does anyone want to ask me questions?

Who do you think is scum?

I don’t know. I think everyone who I’ve engaged has done a reasonable job explaining themselves, and I haven’t really been thinking too hard about alignment yet. I’m hoping that when I look back I’ll see some clues.

[GeniusGamer]

Does anyone want to ask me questions?

Is anyone giving you town vibes? If so, why?

[Porkens]

Does anyone want to ask me questions?

Is anyone giving you town vibes? If so, why?

I have some some very basic emotional gut reactions but nothing that I can explain rationally.

For example, I

feel

like Micc is playing in a protown way, but of course I

think

he’s just being a good SE.

On the other side of things, my initial reaction to Italiano is suspicion, but intellectually I think his avatar is making me read his tone in a negative way.

[Micc]

checking in to say that I'm still around but also that work has been a pain and I won't be able to catch up until later tonight

[GeniusGamer]

checking in to say that I'm still around but also that work has been a pain and I won't be able to catch up until later tonight

Man, that must suck...

[shellyc]

@N0blenoob (post 184 / 201): How are we supposed to scumhunt without asking questions and suspecting others? Town's wincon is to eliminate all the scum and would push their scumreads and vote them. Mafia is supposed to seem town, not be town. They do not need to push scum.

Town is supposed to be the proactive side trying to find scum. Without questioning others, even at this early stage, how can we find and vote the mafia? "No evidence". We get evidence from QUESTIONING and INTERACTION.

[shellyc]

Also I was suspecting Minimegabyte for not posting a lot of game-advancing content, and you're defending him now for my "questioning". It's totally possible that you two are partners, keep that in mind.

[GeorgeBailey]

Votecount 1.4

shellyc(2)

~ Porkens(30), MiniMegabyte(19)

Redados(2)

~ ItalianoVD(32), N0bleNoob(15)

ItalianoVD(2)

~ Micc(13), Redados(25)

MiniMegabyte(1)

~ shellyc(27)

Micc(1)

~ T-Bone(12)


Not Voting (1): GeniusGamer(32)

With 9 alive it takes 5 to eliminate.

Day 1 deadline is in (expired on 2020-07-24 16:20:10)

[Redados]

Can someone explain how lynching works? Is it majority by the end of the day, or does it go to No Lynch if we don't get five votes?

Also, it's correct to lynch on the first day, right? Like, statistically?

[GeniusGamer]

Can someone explain how lynching works? Is it majority by the end of the day, or does it go to No Lynch if we don't get five votes?

Also, it's correct to lynch on the first day, right? Like, statistically?

I don’t know about whether to vote on the first day

statistically

, and it really depends on the situation. The moment we reach a majority for voting, the day ends. If we don’t reach a majority, nobody is eliminated.

[Redados]

Each day is a chance for town to kill, and each night is a chance for mafia to kill. So by not killing, we give up a chance to kill a mafia while letting the mafia get an extra chance to kill town, so that's bad to not lynch, I think.

[GeniusGamer]

Again, it does depend on the situation. Though I do agree that we should eliminate someone this day phase.

[shellyc]

Elimination is the town's only way to get rid of mafia. Mafia will kill town in the night.

It takes 2-3 mislynches for mafia to win (2 mafia v 2 town), and 2 correct lynches for town to win

[shellyc]

Not been very active for the last hours, eh?

[GeniusGamer]

Not been very active for the last hours, eh?

Well, yes. For me, it’s 8:45 am right now, and your previous post was at 11:30 pm. But I’m still here.

[T-Bone]

Can someone explain how lynching works? Is it majority by the end of the day, or does it go to No Lynch if we don't get five votes?

Also, it's correct to lynch on the first day, right? Like, statistically?

Elimination works when someone receives the majority of votes (in this case 5). If we don't reach 5 by deadline, no elimination occurs.

It is always better to eliminate someone than to not eliminate someone, as this is the town's only tool for removing mafia. Even a mislim of town is preferred to nolim.

[Redados]

I am not using the V/LA system because it says it only works for three days minimum, but I will be moving tomorrow and Sunday. I'm not sure how often I will be able to be active on here. I will try to check in, but at the the latest I will catch up Sunday night or Monday morning.

[GeniusGamer]

That’s fine.

[ItalianoVD]

Not sure where the activity went, but I’ll be off an on all day.