Newbie 2016: Snapdragons (Game Over)

[ClarkBar]

I went from a pretty agreed upon scum-read to an E-1 to an uncountered PR claim and prob/confirm town in about 20 or so posts. Ask yourselves, who responded (or hasn't even referred to it) when and why?

Beware the "it wasn't worth mentioning" bullshit.

Looker, you like wagons. How did you like the one that grew quickly on me?

[Dunnstral]

Somebody is bussing somebody.

I'm not scum

[ClarkBar]

Ok, got one.

[ClarkBar]

Still my birthday for half an hour. I'm going to walk naked to the park across the street (who's going to stop me?) and have a smoke. While I have that smoke I'll be considering a few things. Including: is Jam's push (for as much I agree on it) on Looker for real? Has BM totally schooled me by talking me out of his execution? Is Looker a dick or a monk? Is 72's vote for BM pure opportunism?

I do like this game for all the whining I do. I just can't stand to lose again.

[Battle Mage]

I somehow missed 1149. I think it got bumped.

BM, if you are scum then when this game is over I will PM you my address so you can send me a bottle of your favorite booze as consultation for fooling me and causing me to lose yet another game. I think you have me in your corner for now.

Posting from mobile so I’ll leave it at that for now. Fuck.

Well, at least something has gone right for me this game! Now the actual work begins.

I'm still more convinced: Re: raya/dunnstral over BM, but if most of everyone prefers BM thats fine.

what? you're the only person voting for me and Dunnstral is already at -1, so this is a bit odd.

[Battle Mage]

I think my whole case and how reactionary Lucky acted in response is enough on its own

I don't believe the claim at all. Scum ALWAYS claims a PR in this situation. So why are we just blindly trusting Lucky's PR claim when we don't even know the specific role and can just get by without a counterclaim

Lucky Luciano WAS fakeclaiming, though, no? The logic was correct

^Unsure how to feel about this argument. If you do know a pushed slot is town and is doomed (again, LL really did this game a disservice) then all the town cred is there for the taking. It's like a white knight thing.

This is particularly interesting - as noted, this is why I assumed Raya had to be a mason because she was so certain about the PR claim being fake. I don't really understand continuing to push LL here in the absence of that knowledge. Generally speaking, a PR claim should result in a moment of pause and reflection for town. Is it AI that Raya didn't do that? It seems an aggressive line to take either way. I have recently finished a game with Raya-scum, so will try and compare later.

[72offsuit]

Somebody is bussing somebody.

Who gives two shits if scum are bussing.
If thats the case, let them.

Step 1 is to lynch the first scum.

Dunnstral is pretty obvious at this stage. Just totally ignoring my case against his slot.

[72offsuit]

VOTE: Dunnstral

[Nahdia]

Vote Count 2.05

Dunnstral (4):

TheThirteenthJT, Looker, ClarkBar, 72offsuit

Looker (1):

JamSV

Not Voting (2):

Dunnstral, Battle Mage

Deadline is in

(expired on 2020-07-18 19:24:03)

, at which point we will default to no elimination.

With seven players alive, it takes

four

to reach majority.

Mod Note:

None.

[Nahdia]

Dunnstral has been eliminated. He was a

Vanilla Townie

.

Night 2 begins now. Please submit your night actions via PM or PT (if applicable) before the next day starts.

Day 3 will begin in (expired on 2020-07-19 10:46:09).

[Nahdia]

If

all

currently living players PM me their approval, we will end the night early.

[Nahdia]

Apologies for the delay!

[Nahdia]

ClarkBar was killed during Night 2. He was a

Town Cop

.

[Nahdia]

Vote Count 3.00

Not Voting (5):

Looker, Battle Mage, 72offsuit, JamSV, TheThirteenthJT

Deadline is in

(expired on 2020-07-27 00:40:03)

, at which point we will default to no elimination.

With five players alive, it takes

three

to reach majority.

Mod Note:

Apologies for the huge delay! No good excuse, I forgot to set an alarm and it just slipped my mind...

[72offsuit]

Lame.

[72offsuit]

VOTE: BM

All aboard the BM wagon!

Choo choo

[JamSV]

The issue when its 3v2 of voting at all, is it actually allows potential for both scum partners to hop on and quick hammer. So I don't know how to take what 72 just did.

[JamSV]

AKA. Did 72 just hit a scum slot as town or is 72 scum? It isn't town hitting town as scum would win.

[JamSV]

Regardless, let's not rush into a hammer today as town. If all 4 of us suddenly realise and are certain that BM is town, whilst there are technically 3 town and 1 scum left who's alignments aren't confirmed, the 3 town can find the 1 remaining scum. 3 heads are better than 2.

[TheThirteenthJT]

Mas claim time. I am the town doctor. I was bout to warn you guys not to close out the day because I would w unavailable to send in a night action until today. I'll respond after work

[JamSV]

I'm going to go off on a whim. I think its BM + Looker.

[JamSV]

I'll be courteous though and let them respond and try to persuade me otherwise.

[Battle Mage]

VOTE: BM

All aboard the BM wagon!

Choo choo

The issue when its 3v2 of voting at all, is it actually allows potential for both scum partners to hop on and quick hammer. So I don't know how to take what 72 just did.

AKA. Did 72 just hit a scum slot as town or is 72 scum? It isn't town hitting town as scum would win.

I don't have lots of time tonight. 72o pulled a similar move on me in our only other game which went to LyLo (where we were both town and subsequently lost), so it's not completely certain he's scum. That being said, he hasn't actually given any reason for voting me, so I don't think there's any prospect of persuading him otherwise, and it makes my decision a no-brainer!

VOTE: 72offsuit

I think it's highly likely he's scum anyway given the quickhammer on Dunnstral yesterday before I had a chance to check my meta on him, which also prevented TTJT (who is now 100% conftown) from protecting the cop. And the early vote on me, also without discussion, which would throw the game for himself if he was town.

Hard to see why 72o-town would suddenly not care about analysis/discussion, when previously he has been very thoughtful and detailed in his efforts - easily the most I've ever seen him try. Which is NAI in itself, but the lack of consistency seems more like scum who has open-wolfed and taken one for the team, as opposed to town who spontaneously decided they don't care anymore. And #1189?

It then becomes a question of whether it's 72o-Looker or 72o-Jam. Would welcome TTJT's thoughts on that in particular.

[Battle Mage]

I'll be courteous though and let them respond and try to persuade me otherwise.

72o-scum for reasons above, plus his paranoia about me suspecting him yesterday when I didn't, and failure to provide an argument for voting me (despite being cogniscent of all the reasons I'm town), beyond a proven-false claim about me lurking.

Also voting patterns indicate 72o-scum more than BM-scum. Day 1 final wagon was pretty much unanimous, and so 72o didn't need to be on it to get the mislynch. Yesterday wagon was definitely not unanimous and harder for scum to fashion a mislynch, and 72o was on it and hammered before discussion could finish, and despite very clearly trying to set me up as the other mislynch required for scum-win. He only quick-hammered when momentum against me had diminished.

[JamSV]

VOTE: Looker