Mini 2150 - Anime SeiyuU-Pick [SHOW'S OVER!]

[Tipsy]

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Page 1 Deimos27 Shiro Tuxedo Mask Battle Mage

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Page 3 Mikul HoldenGolden Deimos27 Shiro Tuxedo Mask Battle Mage

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Page 5 Mikul HoldenGolden Deimos27 Panzerjaer mastina Shiro Tuxedo Mask Battle Mage

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Page 7 Mikul HoldenGolden TheThirteenthJT TrueSoulEnergy Deimos27 Panzerjaer Shiro Tuxedo Mask Battle Mage mastina????????????????

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Page 9 HoldenGolden Mikul TheThirteenthJT TrueSoulEnergy Deimos27 Tuxedo Mask Shiro Panzerjager Battle Mage mastina????????????????

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Page 11 HoldenGolden Mikul TheThirteenthJT Panther Fox TrueSoulEnergy Deimos27 Tuxedo Mask Shiro Panzerjager Battle Mage mastina????????????????

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Battle Mage early insistence at nominating himself read ingenuine and scummy. largely a tonal read. also though the way he interacted was mikul was a lil slimey somehow, like he was trying to earn a townread

Mikul's entrance on the other hand was good! no further notes there.

HoldenGolden gets some townpoints for the entrance.

tuxedo masks early posts felt a little meh to me.

panzerjager's entrance is sufficently vague to possibly be scum just trying to feel out the waters of getting himself nominated. no strong feeling there overall tho.

mastina entrance... what the fuck is this?

TheThirteenJT's reaction to the mason claim is good. like the mindset.

panzer claim.... uhhh.... this could easily just be a scum role that wants to be targeted for some reason, tbh.

lol@tux's reaction to the fakevig. i try not to read too much into rxn tests tbh but this felt...fine? 206 on the other hand rubbed me the wrong way for some reason, even tho i kind of agree.

holden has obvtowned.

one scum in mastina/panzer lol

panther & fox has similar reads to me (:

[Tatsuya Kaname]

ANIME SEIYUU-PICK EPISODE 1

VOTECOUNT 1.6

catboi

(4): Donkey Kong, Panther and Fox,

mastina(L)

, Panzerjager

Shiro

(2): Deimos27, catboi

mastina(L)

(1): Battle Mage

Panzerjager

(1): Mikul

Battle Mage

(1): Starbuck

Not voting (4)

: TheThirteenthJT, Tipsy, Sujimichi, Shiro

13 players remaining, 7 to Vote Out.
Day 1 ends in (expired on 2020-07-25 23:30:00).

DAY 1 AUDITION

AUDITION CLOSED

Winner:

Deimos27

Winner receives (until end of Night 1):

(NIGHT, PASSIVE) You survive ONE Pick/Kick Out attempt.

The next Audition will start in Day 2.

MOD ANNOUNCEMENT

Donkey Kong replaces TrueSoulEnergy!

Battle Mage is V/LA until 7/18 (my time).
I assume mastina is back.
TheThirteenthJT is V/LA until 7/20 (my time).

Prodding one player, they have (expired on 2020-07-19 13:09:49) to get back in the game.

Please expect day extension, the duration is being decided.

[Tipsy]

uh mod why is tuxedo and catboi separate in the vc?

[Shiro]

"I like my wagon". In what way? Why?

Wagons are fun, battle mage is likely scum. Not the first time I have been day 1" scum read" for fluffing by acun6, won't be the last. They always think it's an easy target to float by.

His ridiculous claim that I have an obvious tell was just icing on the cake.

[Battle Mage]

Battle Mage early insistence at nominating himself read ingenuine and scummy. largely a tonal read. also though the way he interacted was mikul was a lil slimey somehow, like he was trying to earn a townread

My early insistence at nominating myself was ingenuine? Why would I not be genuine about it, regardless of my alignment? In general, I don't think it's NAI at all, although it depends on what your role is (i.e. if your audition bonus is crap, and you're pushing to win the audition, I'd consider that scum-indicative, although with limited information I can forgive it slightly more).

I think you should expand on what exactly you mean here, as this all seems a bit "i've got intangible vibes" which is a nice way to avoid being pinned down to anything.

And more broadly, I wonder if it's a coincidence that your reads are eerily reminiscent of the reads from Mastina, in terms of both personnel and justification?

[Shiro]

ANIME SEIYUU-PICK EPISODE 1

VOTECOUNT 1.6

Tuxedo Mask

(3): Donkey Kong Panther and Fox,

mastina(L)

Shiro

(2): Deimos27, catboi

mastina(L)

(1): Battle Mage

catboi

(1): Panzerjager

Panzerjager

(1): Mikul

Battle Mage

(1): Starbuck

Not voting (4)

: TheThirteenthJT, Tipsy, Sujimichi, Shiro

13 players remaining, 7 to Vote Out.
Day 1 ends in (expired on 2020-07-25 23:30:00).

DAY 1 AUDITION

AUDITION CLOSED

Winner:

Deimos27

Winner receives (until end of Night 1):

(NIGHT, PASSIVE) You survive ONE Pick/Kick Out attempt.

The next Audition will start in Day 2.

MOD ANNOUNCEMENT

Donkey Kong replaces TrueSoulEnergy!

Battle Mage is V/LA until 7/18 (my time).
I assume mastina is back.
TheThirteenthJT is V/LA until 7/20 (my time).

Prodding one player, they have (expired on 2020-07-19 13:09:49) to get back in the game.

Please expect day extension, the duration is being decided.

Isn't tuxedo catboi?

[Battle Mage]

"I like my wagon". In what way? Why?

Wagons are fun, battle mage is likely scum. Not the first time I have been day 1" scum read" for fluffing by acun6, won't be the last. They always think it's an easy target to float by.

His ridiculous claim that I have an obvious tell was just icing on the cake.

To be fair, if you knew about it, you probably wouldn't do it. I'm happy to tell you after the game/after you're dead.

You feel completely comfortable with the way Mastina has devoted herself to protecting you, at the expense of looking at her actual scumreads?

To be clear, you're scumreading me for targetting you, because you're an easy target? even though, I'm like, not?

[Donkey Kong]

Who are you people?

[Shiro]

Nah I think you are scum because your reasoning for scum reading me often comes from scum.

I wouldn't exactly call you an easy target no.

[Tipsy]

DK!
DONKEY KONG
DK!
DONKEY KONG IS HERE!!!!!!!!

[Mikul]

I'm going to iso battle mage during the weekend at some point hopefully. I initially scum read him then flipped to a town read the more we engaged earlier in the game. His recent post bother me but tbh I typically consider him a scummy player because of how much he posts. It's like there is no filter and whatever pops in his mind comes out and I often read it as trying to hard

Mastina still bothers me because her read list seems as if it's trying to give town reads to the people that are engaging in and controlling the pace of the game. Granted this just lends to my confirmation bias about how much I dislike that mason claim and consider it anti town.

I'm still between panzer and mastina and really want to iso bm, shiro, and thirteen when I get a chance.

Panzer is a better choice but again I parrot myself. Tying mastina to a lie is beneficial in later day phases

[Shiro]

Why would u think you are an easy target is the question though?

[Shiro]

My iso is pretty small Mikul, u can do it.

[Mikul]

My iso is pretty small Mikul, u can do it.

I'm aware. I just wanted time with it because I recall someone scum reading you off like 10 posts that I recall largely being nai
So wanted to make sure I didn't miss anything but work is slammed atm

[Shiro]

I meant it more in an inspirational kinda way.

Imagine it all cheerleader like.

[Battle Mage]

I'm not sure where Mastina gets off saying everyone else is a shit player

Well for a start, I don't do this.

You have done it.

when she allegedly fakeclaims mason without justification in dozens of games as town

And don't do this because there is always a justification for it and usually a damn good one.

and still routinely manages to make it into a big distraction

And also was not responsible for this because as I have stated multiple times I encourage people to read me off of my actions, not me saying I am a mason, it's OTHER PEOPLE who have made it a big deal and insisted to press on the mason angle.

Shouldn't that serve as a lesson to you though? If your mason claims normally have a net negative impact, why do you continue to do it? Don't get me wrong, I'm also partial to a good fakeclaim as town, although it's pretty vital that one is somewhat selective with it to maintain a bit of credibility. I have no idea what benefit you think is gained if you try and pull the same trick in every game, such that nobody believes you, and the consensus just falls back on "lynch all liars".

and/or gets evicted for it.

Mostly also false in that in all the times I've claimed mason I think only a grand total of one game ever resulted in my lynch and it wasn't because of the mason claim, it was because I hard-defended a flipped scum player (who, notably, was not who I fakeclaimed mason with). All those dozens and dozens of other times? I got nightkilled or lived to the endgame. One game where I got lynched for hard-defending a scum player who wasn't the person I claimed mason with, versus dozens upon dozens of games where I claimed mason or a mason-like role and was either nightkilled or lived to endgame.

So no. I don't get lynched for this nor will I be lynched this game.

So you're saying you're fakeclaiming mason here because historically you've never been lynched for doing so .i.e. it makes people think you are town? Again, I'm struggling to see how this translates into any protown benefit which isn't inherently linked to your alignment.

[Donkey Kong]

DK!
DONKEY KONG
DK!
DONKEY KONG IS HERE!!!!!!!!

This Kong's got style, so listen up dudes!

Ah, may? Use the codeword.

I wake up from my nap and suddenly I'm surrounded. I want an explanation for why yall are in my house. I'm retired, I don't need this excitement.

[Battle Mage]

Nah I think you are scum because your reasoning for scum reading me often comes from scum.

I wouldn't exactly call you an easy target no.

Erm, no. You claimed your reason for scumreading me was that I was opportunistically pursuing you and you're an easy target. In reality, I'm not even voting for you (and strangely, you aren't voting for me).

Can you explain what would constitute a town-indicative reason for scum-reading you, just so we're clear on the difference?

[Donkey Kong]

Wait a second... this isn't my house, this is some pyramid. Are you dudes cultists? How the diddy did I get myself involved in this? I guess I must've sleep walked here.

[Shiro]

Hm, I will be honest, I didn't notice your unvote but you did start it.

[Shiro]

Wait a second... this isn't my house, this is some pyramid. Are you dudes cultists? How the diddy did I get myself involved in this? I guess I must've sleep walked here.

I stole your bananas and you followed me here.

[Donkey Kong]

Hey hey now, you don't mess with a DK's bananas. Give those back or there's gonna be trouble.

What's this talk about votes anyway? You voting for a cult leader to lead your silly pyramid scheme cult thing?

[Battle Mage]

I think it's much more likely there was no good reason to do it at all, beyond using it as a way to deflect suspicion because it's a town-tell per your meta.

I repeat.

Have I, so much as once, said that I am town for having claimed mason?

Have I?

Yes, you have.

Have I, in fact, to the contrary, said that any given time I claim mason could in fact be me claiming it as scum?

Why yes yes I did.

Have I also not repeatedly said that I should in fact be read on merits of my play beyond the mason claim?

So no. Not using it to deflect suspicion.

I'm not sure why you're making this point as if it's a revelation? It's obvious that your self-meta is NAI, and clearly that fact hasn't escaped me as we're having this discussion. However, it's also clear that there's no benefit to your mason claim beyond trying to make yourself seem town, and despite protesting you don't want this to be the effect, it's perfectly obvious what your intention is. Pretending it's part of some grand plan, which other players are too stupid to understand, as a means to discourage people from voting for you, is weak.

I can't see any pro-town benefit to making a fakeclaim which is obviously a fakeclaim which nobody would buy - it is completely redundant, and can't serve any pro-town purpose I can think of

Just because you can't think of a pro-town reason for claiming mason in an opening post does not mean there isn't any. I am perfectly capable of explaining the reasons and in the past (not in this game thread) have even done so. It's something that there are tangible benefits to having done, but I repeat, not ones that I see any benefit of making public. I can write them down in private to show you them in postgame, but there's zero benefit to putting them in this thread.

Plus you happen to be missing context, but that missing context is something I again feel like is not good for me to put forth at this time. (Tho if someone else put forward said context, I'd confirm it. And again, in private can record it to show that it's not me just stealing their reasons, that yes those reasons existed prior to them mentioning the context.)

As above, I won't labour the point. I don't buy it, and the suggestion that you aren't ever planning to reveal your plan is further confirmation that there isn't one and you're simply stalling for time. The idea that I'm meant to be won over by you recording something in a private thread which I can read after the game, is ridiculous.

[Battle Mage]

Hm, I will be honest, I didn't notice your unvote but you did start it.

i still want you to answer my other question.

although my vote likely isn't moving from Mastina today, so don't fret too much.

[Battle Mage]

The reason I asked the question is that I struggle to understand your lack of consistency, as you illustrate clearly above.

I mean you call it an inconsistency but there really isn't one?

There's a consistency issue if you're referencing 5 games to make a point about Shiro which is purportedly of very low importance to you (because you consider her null and won't look at her until Day 3), and failing to even look at 1 game with TTJT who is amongst your alleged top priorities. This is not the behaviour of someone genuinely scumhunting.

Yet TTJT has like 1 completed game, is one of your top suspects, and you haven't bothered to read it even though it's likely to be instructive to a question which you claim is at the forefront of your mind (is he newbtown or newbscum?).

In general, I don't read games that I wasn't involved in. I make exceptions in very specific situations: I have meta with a player from an ongoing game that I can't share due to it being ongoing so I need to delve into games I'm not involved in, is one example, but the other example is when I have extensive meta history with a player and I feel that linking to the iso of the player in question across multiple games, even games I had no involvement with, will demonstrate the point I am making.

Shiro is the latter. (I've also done this for jjh, to name a reasonably recent example of me doing the multi-game meta on a player in spite of not being involved in all of the games.)

It is one very specific situation where I will do the link-spam of meta.

Versus the general rule that I don't.

There's no inconsistency to be had in not doing something, except in very specific select circumstances, circumstances that I explain the situation behind. And which there is a long-standing backing behind--I can link to any given game of mine in the last three years, and every single game you'll see the same thing. Either I don't do link-spam meta of a player, or if I do, it's one of the two above situations; I feel like I can very easily establish a point with said links or I need to use said links because the game I really want to link to is ongoing.

As an example from this game alone. When I responded to TSE's point about you and him saying you're not a good scum player, did I track down your game history to find scumgames and find your performance in them? No, I didn't, I only linked to a first-hand-experience game, because I couldn't think of a way to easily set the precedence of you being a good scum player just from linking to multiple games, at least at the time. (Tho in hindsight NOW that I think about it, finding games you were scum in and seeing which faction won would've done that, but AT THE TIME I hadn't thought of that.)

Also, notably, I am a bit lazy as a player; I typically only put in the minimum amount of work required, not the maximum. I didn't link to every Shiro game ever, I only linked to about half of the ones on the first page of the list I found by searching what games Shiro's been in. Because the experiment was "find one scumgame in all of these links, just from the early part of the iso, the rest were town", I gave just enough games for it to be something that couldn't just be guessed by random selection. (It's easy to guess "oh the third one" with three links, much harder to guess "oh the second one" with like eight.)

This is complete BS. If you hadn't read or been part of those Shiro games, what was the point of referring to a bunch of games to defend an assertion, when you had no idea if it would do so or not? This would be testament to my original view that you were just bluffing about meta to defend Shiro - which I find it difficult to see coming from a town perspective. The alternative is that you did actually read those games, in which case I don't buy town-Mastina would go to that much effort to make a fairly moot point, and not go to considerably less effort to do something which actually mattered to her.

Do you actually feel you did that?

As a matter of fact: yes.

I'd be fully willing to admit if I felt I hadn't made my point.

But I feel like I did.

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