Smuggler's Port [Game Over]

Titus · Post Post #2050 (ISO) » Sun Jul 19, 2020 2:57 am

In post 2049, Alisae wrote:Oh btw Titus i don’t think i show defeatism in thread ever as scum
Wasn’t most of my defeatism in the scum PT?

You absolutely did not keep your rants to the scum PT and discord. You tried to use them to argue that we'd never catch the deep wolf.

Alisae · Post Post #2051 (ISO) » Sun Jul 19, 2020 2:59 am

In post 2050, Titus wrote:
In post 2049, Alisae wrote:Oh btw Titus i don’t think i show defeatism in thread ever as scum
Wasn’t most of my defeatism in the scum PT?
You absolutely did not keep your rants to the scum PT and discord. You tried to use them to argue that we'd never catch the deep wolf.

are you sure that didn’t have anything to do with teh fact that I was a Treestump?

Alisae · Post Post #2052 (ISO) » Sun Jul 19, 2020 2:59 am

I honestly don’t remember much about TvA except I drafted terribly.

Titus · Post Post #2053 (ISO) » Sun Jul 19, 2020 3:10 am

In post 2051, Alisae wrote:
In post 2050, Titus wrote:
In post 2049, Alisae wrote:Oh btw Titus i don’t think i show defeatism in thread ever as scum
Wasn’t most of my defeatism in the scum PT?
You absolutely did not keep your rants to the scum PT and discord. You tried to use them to argue that we'd never catch the deep wolf.
are you sure that didn’t have anything to do with teh fact that I was a Treestump?

Not really. It was the last argument you had to protect RR. Just like I suspected you are playing dead in a last ditch attempt to save yourself.

Pedit: You didn't draft terrible for the game. You drafted to stop my strengths as to enhancing my weaknesses. It was just a strategy that backfired.

Alisae · Post Post #2054 (ISO) » Sun Jul 19, 2020 3:17 am

In post 2053, Titus wrote:Not really. It was the last argument you had to protect RR.

I seemed pretty desperate if it was the last argument I had.

Titus · Post Post #2055 (ISO) » Sun Jul 19, 2020 3:23 am

In post 2054, Alisae wrote:
In post 2053, Titus wrote:Not really. It was the last argument you had to protect RR.
I seemed pretty desperate if it was the last argument I had.

You seem pretty desperate here too.

You want to sheep me.
I tell you make content.
You resign instead.

Not Known 15 · Post Post #2056 (ISO) » Sun Jul 19, 2020 3:28 am

Stop voting Alisae until we have the investigation ready.
We should re-invest Moment and Datisi, investigate me, and lynch Alisae.
The pool of Not TD has been shrinking dangerously low. If this doesnt hit scum we need to investigate another and lynch another on the command of Iconeum and then try a final lynch on Day 5, if that hits the pool is already so low that TD dying is likely. There is no good reason to not reinvestigate Moment and Datisi. (Except if you are scum with Datisi/Moment)

NorwegianboyEE · Post Post #2057 (ISO) » Sun Jul 19, 2020 3:31 am

But we’ve talked about whether there were more scum than Not Science and most people think it’s not. Why investigate if it’s pointless?

Titus · Post Post #2058 (ISO) » Sun Jul 19, 2020 3:34 am

In post 2056, Not Known 15 wrote:Stop voting Alisae until we have the investigation ready.
We should re-invest Moment and Datisi, investigate me, and lynch Alisae.
The pool of Not TD has been shrinking dangerously low. If this doesnt hit scum we need to investigate another and lynch another on the command of Iconeum and then try a final lynch on Day 5, if that hits the pool is already so low that TD dying is likely. There is no good reason to not reinvestigate Moment and Datisi. (Except if you are scum with Datisi/Moment)

You cannot have it both ways.

If a lot of people are spewed not TD, then they are better investigations than Datisi and Moment who are likely town. This gives scum no more info and gives us a much better chance of lynching another scum.

(EE this is scummy as fuck btw.)

Menalque · Post Post #2059 (ISO) » Sun Jul 19, 2020 4:03 am

I mean I don’t think a lot of people are spewed not TD, but the pool itself is currently at 6 if correct that (moment, datisi, nk15) are all town, and I see no scum motivation in nk15 arguing that that pool should be investigated while knowing that it gives a confirmed scum and that that’s enough to lose the game

Idk if you’re trying to say something different to that, but that’s what I think you’re saying best as I can tell

I don’t see why other people are better investigations than (datisi, moment, TD) when the pool from scum’s PoV is down to 6 people only

GuiltyLion · Post Post #2060 (ISO) » Sun Jul 19, 2020 6:19 am

In post 2006, Menalque wrote:
In post 2001, Datisi wrote:do you think there's scum in {datisi, moment}?
No, I think it’s highly unlikely, but I don’t want to keep investigating in the unknown pool unless we really need to because I’m worried about the potential for TD being outed and (you, moment, nk15) are all people who I think are town but who are also confirmed not TD

So basically while I highly doubt tea will turn up in that pool, I’d still like to check it just as insurance against being wrong and because I see no downside really

Yah Datisi this is my thought exactly too

three executions makes me not worried about doing another investigation today. Even if we're wrong then tomorrow we'll have info from the wagons, and can decide who to investigate D4.

GuiltyLion · Post Post #2061 (ISO) » Sun Jul 19, 2020 6:20 am

In post 2010, Hel wrote:The GuiltyLion thing is a legit thing. He said it himself. As scum, his posts will be really towny but they'll just be far less frequent.

I think the setup is contributing to my lower post count, there are times when I am just waiting around with nothing to say, usually once the investigation/execution is set

Not Known 15 · Post Post #2062 (ISO) » Sun Jul 19, 2020 6:21 am

In post 2057, NorwegianboyEE wrote:But we’ve talked about whether there were more scum than Not Science and most people think it’s not. Why investigate if it’s pointless?

It`s not pointless:

In post 1202, Moment wrote:This is a bad pool that I don't understand. Iconeum, I suggest you reconsider.

In post 1437, Moment wrote:Quelle surprise, tea was found.

There are a great number of reasons why I am upset at Iconeum, but perhaps the one most worth mentioning is that he had the option to shorten the night to 24 hours and chose not to.

VOTE: Notscience

Then tell me how THIS progression looks natural. It`s absolutely not. This is not a towny progression at all. First they say that it`s a bad pool and then they are absolutely not surprised at tea being found. That doesn`t add up if these reads were natural instead of constructed.

GuiltyLion · Post Post #2063 (ISO) » Sun Jul 19, 2020 6:23 am

In post 2026, Titus wrote: Either Umlaut/notscience was S v S or Umlaut was a townbeard at this point. Umlaut is backing off Notty's wagon to chainsaw it.

In post 2028, Titus wrote: If Umlaut and NK 15 are scum together, I'll eat my hat. The odds of town being that good day 1 is insane. The NK wagon drew very little from either existing wagon. Based on this, I highly suspect NK and Umlaut are opposing alignments.

I think given the sum of his play as well as Notsci's tunnel on him D1, NK15 is extremely likely town. Can you explain a bit more how you conclude NK/Umlaut are opposite alignments? The VCA stuff you're putting here is pointing to Umlaut but I think Umlaut's associative with not science look pretty good, especially early D1 Umlaut was on notsci when he didn't need to be IIRC.

I still need to reread the game, I'll try to do that later today or tomorrow.

p-edit: NK15 I think you're misinterpreting Moment's 1437, I don't read that as sarcasm I think he's saying he was genuinely surprised at finding tea.

Menalque · Post Post #2064 (ISO) » Sun Jul 19, 2020 6:29 am

Just as a point of order, is moment not a she? I was fairly strongly under the impression that moment was a she

NorwegianboyEE · Post Post #2065 (ISO) » Sun Jul 19, 2020 6:32 am

Moment/Datisi both being spewed not-TD and therefore a better investigation is a valid point. I will affirm that. I’m just not sure we’ll find scum there.

Menalque · Post Post #2066 (ISO) » Sun Jul 19, 2020 6:37 am

In post 2065, NorwegianboyEE wrote:Moment/Datisi both being spewed not-TD and therefore a better investigation is a valid point. I will affirm that. I’m just not sure we’ll find scum there.

That’s like, not totally the point though

As GL said, we have 3 guillotines to hit scum. If we do hit tea in the invest of 3 tonight we have a guaranteed win provided scum can’t identify the TD.

If not, we get two guillotines on our top suspects today and tomorrow, plus another 3 clears to help analyse the game. We then choose (or, I guess icon chooses) whether we investigate the next top scumspect who we’d normally guillo on D5 gylo, or we take a chance and risk doing 2 (thereby seriously narrowing down the pool of where TD could be if wrong, but also bringing down the scumpool to a pretty small group). I think the most likely way we lose at this point *if we’ve played fairly well* is via TD being caught. If we’ve played really badly and it’s (GL, username) or something stupid then we were probably screwed regardless of how risky we are with the invests.

I strongly consider the better play being caution on the investigations and trying to hit scum off dayplay. If we’re despairing tomorrow we can talk about doing a double invest to try and get scum.

Umlaut · Post Post #2067 (ISO) » Sun Jul 19, 2020 7:45 am

Spoiler: Colored day 1 vote counts from before Iconeum's claim

VC 1.1Titus [1] - Umlaut

Iconeum

[2] -

Datisi

, Menalque
Umlaut [1] - Not Known 15
Alisae [1] - Titus

NorwegianboyEE

[1] - Hel

Not Voting [11] - Alisae,

Maki Harukawa

, username,

Moment

, GuiltyLion,

Something_Smart

, maxwell,

Iconeum

,

Radical Rat

,

notscience

,

NorwegianboyEE

VC 1.2Titus [1] - Umlaut

Iconeum

[2] -

Datisi

, Menalque
Umlaut [1] - Not Known 15
Alisae [1] - Titus

NorwegianboyEE

[2] - Hel,

Moment

Datisi

[1] - GuiltyLion

Not Voting [9] - Alisae,

Maki Harukawa

, username,

Something_Smart

, maxwell,

Iconeum

,

Radical Rat

,

notscience

,

NorwegianboyEE

VC 1.3Titus [3] - Umlaut, maxwell,

Maki Harukawa

Iconeum

[2] -

Datisi

, Menalque
Umlaut [1] - Not Known 15
Alisae [1] - Titus

NorwegianboyEE

[2] - Hel,

Moment

Datisi

[1] - GuiltyLion

Not Voting [7] - Alisae, username,

Something_Smart

,

Iconeum

,

Radical Rat

,

notscience

,

NorwegianboyEE

VC 1.4Titus [3] - Umlaut, maxwell,

Maki Harukawa

Iconeum

[3] -

Datisi

, Menalque, Alisae
Umlaut [1] - Not Known 15

NorwegianboyEE

[2] - Hel,

Moment

Datisi

[1] - GuiltyLion
username [1] -

NorwegianboyEE

Not Voting [6] - username,

Something_Smart

,

Iconeum

,

Radical Rat

,

notscience

, Titus

VC 1.5Titus [2] - maxwell,

notscience

Iconeum

[1] -

Datisi

Umlaut [1] - Not Known 15

NorwegianboyEE

[3] - Hel,

Moment

,

Maki Harukawa

Datisi

[2] - GuiltyLion, Alisae
username [1] -

NorwegianboyEE

Alisae [1] - Menalque
Hel [1] - username
Not Known 15 [1] - Umlaut

Not Voting [4] -

Something_Smart

,

Iconeum

,

Radical Rat

, Titus

VC 1.6Titus [1] - maxwell

Iconeum

[1] -

Datisi

Umlaut [1] - Not Known 15

NorwegianboyEE

[3] - Hel,

Moment

,

Maki Harukawa

Datisi

[1] - GuiltyLion
username [1] -

NorwegianboyEE

Alisae [1] - Menalque
Not Known 15 [1] - Umlaut
Menalque [1] -

Radical Rat

notscience

[1] - username

Not Voting [5] -

Something_Smart

,

Iconeum

, Titus, Alisae,

notscience

VC 1.7Titus [1] - maxwell

Iconeum

[1] -

Datisi

NorwegianboyEE

[2] - Hel,

Moment

Datisi

[1] - GuiltyLion
Not Known 15 [1] - Umlaut
Menalque [1] -

Maki Harukawa

notscience

[1] - username
maxwell [2] - Menalque,

NorwegianboyEE

Hel [1] -

Radical Rat

Not Voting [6] -

Something_Smart

,

Iconeum

, Titus, Alisae,

notscience

, Not Known 15

VC 1.8

Iconeum

[1] -

Datisi

NorwegianboyEE

[2] - Hel,

Moment

Datisi

[1] - GuiltyLion
Menalque [1] -

Maki Harukawa

notscience

[4] - username, Umlaut,

Radical Rat

, Titus
maxwell [1] - Menalque
Hel [1] -

NorwegianboyEE

Umlaut [1] - maxwell

Not Voting [5] -

Something_Smart

,

Iconeum

, Alisae,

notscience

, Not Known 15

VC 1.9

Iconeum

[1] -

Datisi

NorwegianboyEE

[2] - Hel,

Moment

Menalque [1] -

Maki Harukawa

notscience

[4] - username,

Radical Rat

, Titus, Menalque
Umlaut [4] - maxwell, Alisae,

NorwegianboyEE

, GuiltyLion
Titus [1] - Umlaut

Not Voting [4] -

Something_Smart

,

Iconeum

,

notscience

, Not Known 15

Spoiler: Colored day 1 vote counts from after Iconeum's claim but before it called the execution

Spoiler: Colored day 1 vote counts from after Iconeum called the execution

Simple conclusions:

username is town (I already knew that)
Titus and Menalque are either town or they were busing notscience hard (I already thought Menalque was town anyway but this is useful for Titus)
One of Datisi or Alisae is likely scum (or me, but I'm not), since NK15 was a great wagon for scum to be on and there was probably more than just one (this is true even if NK15 is scum -- I would 100% powerbus in that scenario -- though I'm starting to come around a bit to the idea maybe he's town after all)

I'll leave the less simple conclusions to someone who actually knows how to VCA

*cough*Titus*cough*

No idea what the VC is and too lazy to check, so
HURT: Alisae

Not sure about inspections but I suppose just putting me and Datisi in an inspection pool would make sense. Maybe NK15 too to get both sides of that wagon.

Menalque · Post Post #2068 (ISO) » Sun Jul 19, 2020 8:05 am

I think 1.9 spews umlaut town tbh

Or at the very least substantially increases the odds he’s town, given that he’s the CW to a scum wagon that was minimum 3 maybe 4 townies

username · Post Post #2069 (ISO) » Sun Jul 19, 2020 8:31 am

Me picking up on Alisae being scum is based on interactions with myself and with notscience

Alisae throws out vibes of not only wanting to not sacrifice notsci to my dark lord and even trying to dissuade the wagon from its rightful path

Alisae on day two suddenly becomes withdrawn and depressed after notsci is caught by night play. Alisae continues to try and save notsci

Alisae becomes further withdrawn on day three once notsci has flipped. In white flag it's not uncommon for scum to despair if things go tits up early

I caught notsci on day play.

You guys had to wait for the slot to be caught by night play before you listened to me, and I can forgive that sin if you help me find and lunch notsci's buddy. Either of them will do.

Read alisae's iso with the knowledge notsci is scum and I was right. It's all right there. Alisae is caught by day play, just like notsci was. Just like I prefer to play: catch them in the day. The old ways.

It's white flag. I don't need both remaining partners. Just one.

NorwegianboyEE · Post Post #2070 (ISO) » Sun Jul 19, 2020 8:38 am

I’m considering scummy wagon hopping to Alisae based on Username’s conviction, but need a VC first. Also clarification of who we’re investifating.

FakeGod · Post Post #2071 (ISO) » Sun Jul 19, 2020 11:44 am

VoteCount 3.1

Alisae [6] - Moment, Menalque, username, Datisi, Titus, Alisae
Umlaut [2] - NorwegianboyEE, Hel

Not Voting [7]

- GuiltyLion, Something_Smart, Not Known 15, maxwell, Iconeum, Radical Rat, Umlaut

With 15 alive it takes 8 votes to be executed.

Countdown to deadline: (expired on 2020-07-26 18:35:31)

I am shipping...

Linen

[13] - Titus, username, Moment, GuiltyLion, Something_Smart, Datisi, Not Known 15, maxwell, Menalque, Iconeum, Radical Rat, Umlaut, NorwegianboyEE

Copper

[1] - Alisae

Wheat

[1] - Hel

Let's Inspect...

Linen

[0] -

Copper

[1] - Alisae

Wheat

[0] -

NorwegianboyEE · Post Post #2072 (ISO) » Sun Jul 19, 2020 11:50 am

Oh it's E-2.
Not joining yet.

NorwegianboyEE · Post Post #2073 (ISO) » Sun Jul 19, 2020 11:51 am

Alisae, are you scum convinced you found the TD? Why else would you be self-voting?

Alisae · Post Post #2074 (ISO) » Sun Jul 19, 2020 12:06 pm

In post 2073, NorwegianboyEE wrote:Alisae, are you scum convinced you found the TD? Why else would you be self-voting?

cuz titus voted me and im their double voter
duh