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Post Post #1200 (ISO) » Mon Jul 20, 2020 9:35 am

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There's something important to note. At the moment, TTJT is conf town. Unless if Looker wants to pop up and counter claim. Taking this into account, there are some things to realise. There are 6 scum teams in a vacuum.
72offsuit + BattleMage
72offsuit + JamSV
72offsuit + Looker
BattleMage + JamSV
BattleMage + Looker
JamSV + Looker

There are a handful we can eliminate with logic.
JamSV + Looker isn't the scum team. We could have swooped in on 72offsuit's vote on BattleMage, or BattleMage's vote on 72offsuit and won the game, by both of us voting for the same person, taking it to 3 votes, then winning by having an equivalent number of town + scum. This didn't happen, so we can rule out that potential scum team. Similarly, 72offsuit + BattleMage aren't the scum team. They would have hammered Looker after I voted for him, unless if they haven't gotten around to it yet, but I'm more of an optimistic person. That strikes off another potential scum team.
This means, no matter what, one of 72/BM are scum, and me or Looker are scum. As such. I'm willing to go down the lines of Looker himself:
Hammer priorities:
  • Looker - 100%
  • 72offsuit - 0%
  • BattleMage - 0%
  • TTJT - negative 100%
I'm not voting for anybody but Looker today, I'm going to disregard everything else anybody says to do with moving my vote. Before taking into account quality and town-iness of both of our plays in D2 (+ D1 for myself), this game comes down to two 1v1s, Looker vs myself, BattleMage vs 72offsuit, so of course, its only natural that I wouldn't move my vote. We then look at post quality during D2. Out of me and Looker, who was trying to get more information? Myself. Who was hiding information and their explanations of their reads? Looker. That's the very quick, I'm on the toilet posting this, explanation of both mine and his playing during D2. Common sense says Looker will now end up voting me, fair enough. I therefore encourage TTJT to note vote for either of us until 72offsuit and Battle Mage vote first, to limit bussing.

For what its worth, the likelihood is, Battle Mage is the partner, however I'll wait for TTJT to weigh in as to whether I'm correct or not before D3 occurs.

Finally, the last thing I'm going to say for a little while.

GG. Town wins.
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Post Post #1201 (ISO) » Mon Jul 20, 2020 9:41 am

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EBWOP
I might be absolutely terrible at reading players, very stubborn in terms of tunnel vision voting, and still very inexperienced, thankfully however, it seems vacuum Mafia Mechanics are what I'm good at.
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Post Post #1202 (ISO) » Mon Jul 20, 2020 9:49 am

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Vote Count 3.01

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Battle Mage (1):
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72offsuit (1):
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Looker (1):
JamSAV

Not Voting (2):
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Deadline is in
(expired on 2020-07-27 00:40:03)
, at which point we will default to no elimination.


With five players alive, it takes
three
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Post Post #1203 (ISO) » Mon Jul 20, 2020 10:22 am

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In post 1191, JamSV wrote:The issue when its 3v2 of voting at all, is it actually allows potential for both scum partners to hop on and quick hammer. So I don't know how to take what 72 just did.
In post 1192, JamSV wrote:AKA. Did 72 just hit a scum slot as town or is 72 scum? It isn't town hitting town as scum would win.
I think it means that Battle Mage is scum. It's interesting that you'd still vote for me, though.
In post 1194, TheThirteenthJT wrote:Mas claim time. I am the town doctor. I was bout to warn you guys not to close out the day because I would w unavailable to send in a night action until today. I'll respond after work
That's not very believable. Why wouldn't you just ask for an extension? Who all did you protect?

  • I should've stuck to my guns yesterday and stayed on JamSV. Pending ThirteenthJT's response, I'm thinking BM + JamSV. That would explain BM trying to take up for my playstyle yesterday.
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Post Post #1204 (ISO) » Mon Jul 20, 2020 10:22 am

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UNVOTE:
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Post Post #1205 (ISO) » Mon Jul 20, 2020 10:30 am

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In post 1203, Looker wrote:
In post 1191, JamSV wrote:The issue when its 3v2 of voting at all, is it actually allows potential for both scum partners to hop on and quick hammer. So I don't know how to take what 72 just did.
In post 1192, JamSV wrote:AKA. Did 72 just hit a scum slot as town or is 72 scum? It isn't town hitting town as scum would win.
I think it means that Battle Mage is scum. It's interesting that you'd still vote for me, though.
In post 1194, TheThirteenthJT wrote:Mas claim time. I am the town doctor. I was bout to warn you guys not to close out the day because I would w unavailable to send in a night action until today. I'll respond after work
That's not very believable. Why wouldn't you just ask for an extension? Who all did you protect?

  • I should've stuck to my guns yesterday and stayed on JamSV. Pending ThirteenthJT's response, I'm thinking BM + JamSV. That would explain BM trying to take up for my playstyle yesterday.
VOTE: Battle Mage
He probably got role blocked. ClarkBar investigated him and TTJT came up town. Vanilla Townie would have no reason to claim Doctor here. NGL though, I'm impressed by your distancing attempt. If I were you though, I'd try very hard to get me hammed not BM. My previous post explained that its me or you, and BattleMage of 72offsuit. TTJT is smart enough to understand that. As such you really should start scraping for a case against me.
However, I have a wild observation. Looker doesn't actually think BM is scum at all. If he did, he would never have unvoted, as town, who cares if scum is quick hammered? His 2 posts were attempts at distancing. BM + Looker are the scum duo. D3 we hammer Looker, D4 we hammer Battle Mage, town wins. Thanks Looker.
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Post Post #1206 (ISO) » Mon Jul 20, 2020 10:47 am

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Ok so it definitely can't be Jam-Looker as I'd be dead. I think Jam-72o, given this:
In post 1200, JamSV wrote:There's something important to note.
At the moment
, TTJT is conf town. Unless if Looker wants to pop up and counter claim.
Jam trying to cast doubt on TTJT claim - despite the fact the cop cleared him yesterday and he's 100% proven town. Why would he be encouraging Looker to counter-claim, when TTJT has to be telling the truth? :shifty:

But seriously TTJT - 72o is 100% conf-scum, let's actually hit one at least.
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Post Post #1207 (ISO) » Mon Jul 20, 2020 10:55 am

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In post 1201, JamSV wrote:EBWOP
I might be absolutely terrible at reading players, very stubborn in terms of tunnel vision voting, and still very inexperienced, thankfully however, it seems vacuum Mafia Mechanics are what I'm good at.
Everything you posted was obvious, with the exception of the bit where you tried to persuade me to move my vote off 72o. Likewise, if 72o was town and not your partner, why would he listen to you and move his vote off me?

The "I might be absolutely terrible at reading players" is a loose appeal to emotion, to invoke a feeling of sympathetic town - actually your reads and voting record hasn't been so bad this game, compared to say, me, and you're also a very good player for a newbie, so I don't buy this as genuine.
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Post Post #1208 (ISO) » Mon Jul 20, 2020 10:58 am

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If someone wants to counterclaim I gladly encourage it. makes the game easy for town lol. I'll get back to you guys in a bit.
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Post Post #1209 (ISO) » Mon Jul 20, 2020 11:00 am

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In post 1206, Battle Mage wrote:Ok so it definitely can't be Jam-Looker as I'd be dead. I think Jam-72o, given this:
In post 1200, JamSV wrote:There's something important to note.
At the moment
, TTJT is conf town. Unless if Looker wants to pop up and counter claim.
Jam trying to cast doubt on TTJT claim - despite the fact the cop cleared him yesterday and he's 100% proven town. Why would he be encouraging Looker to counter-claim, when TTJT has to be telling the truth? :shifty:

But seriously TTJT - 72o is 100% conf-scum, let's actually hit one at least.
In post 1208, TheThirteenthJT wrote:If someone wants to counterclaim I gladly encourage it. makes the game easy for town lol. I'll get back to you guys in a bit.
I wanted Looker to counter claim, as TTJT says, makes it really easy.
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Post Post #1210 (ISO) » Mon Jul 20, 2020 11:00 am

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In post 1203, Looker wrote:
In post 1191, JamSV wrote:The issue when its 3v2 of voting at all, is it actually allows potential for both scum partners to hop on and quick hammer. So I don't know how to take what 72 just did.
In post 1192, JamSV wrote:AKA. Did 72 just hit a scum slot as town or is 72 scum? It isn't town hitting town as scum would win.
I think it means that Battle Mage is scum. It's interesting that you'd still vote for me, though.
In post 1194, TheThirteenthJT wrote:Mas claim time. I am the town doctor. I was bout to warn you guys not to close out the day because I would w unavailable to send in a night action until today. I'll respond after work
That's not very believable. Why wouldn't you just ask for an extension? Who all did you protect?

  • I should've stuck to my guns yesterday and stayed on JamSV. Pending ThirteenthJT's response, I'm thinking BM + JamSV. That would explain BM trying to take up for my playstyle yesterday.
VOTE: Battle Mage
This is really bad. You think because 72o came out of the blocks attacking me, after quickhammering yesterday, both before I could give my view, means I'm scum and he's town!? Gimme a break man, you're better than that.

And casting doubt on TTJT's claim, like Jam did? He is obviously the Doctor, he's conftown, and would have no reason to lie. And I know he was legit v/la across all games over the weekend.
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Post Post #1211 (ISO) » Mon Jul 20, 2020 11:03 am

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In post 1207, Battle Mage wrote:
In post 1201, JamSV wrote:EBWOP
I might be absolutely terrible at reading players, very stubborn in terms of tunnel vision voting, and still very inexperienced, thankfully however, it seems vacuum Mafia Mechanics are what I'm good at.
Everything you posted was obvious, with the exception of the bit where you tried to persuade me to move my vote off 72o. Likewise, if 72o was town and not your partner, why would he listen to you and move his vote off me?

The "I might be absolutely terrible at reading players" is a loose appeal to emotion, to invoke a feeling of sympathetic town - actually your reads and voting record hasn't been so bad this game, compared to say, me, and you're also a very good player for a newbie, so I don't buy this as genuine.
My reads and voting record hasn't been so bad this game? I've voted for / have been threatening to vote for 3 people. ClarkBar, Porkens, Looker. In your world, they're all town. Voting and scum reading town isn't a good record. This is probably a slip to be honest.
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Post Post #1212 (ISO) » Mon Jul 20, 2020 11:04 am

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In post 1205, JamSV wrote:
In post 1203, Looker wrote:
In post 1191, JamSV wrote:The issue when its 3v2 of voting at all, is it actually allows potential for both scum partners to hop on and quick hammer. So I don't know how to take what 72 just did.
In post 1192, JamSV wrote:AKA. Did 72 just hit a scum slot as town or is 72 scum? It isn't town hitting town as scum would win.
I think it means that Battle Mage is scum. It's interesting that you'd still vote for me, though.
In post 1194, TheThirteenthJT wrote:Mas claim time. I am the town doctor. I was bout to warn you guys not to close out the day because I would w unavailable to send in a night action until today. I'll respond after work
That's not very believable. Why wouldn't you just ask for an extension? Who all did you protect?

  • I should've stuck to my guns yesterday and stayed on JamSV. Pending ThirteenthJT's response, I'm thinking BM + JamSV. That would explain BM trying to take up for my playstyle yesterday.
VOTE: Battle Mage
He probably got role blocked. ClarkBar investigated him and TTJT came up town. Vanilla Townie would have no reason to claim Doctor here. NGL though, I'm impressed by your distancing attempt. If I were you though, I'd try very hard to get me hammed not BM. My previous post explained that its me or you, and BattleMage of 72offsuit. TTJT is smart enough to understand that. As such you really should start scraping for a case against me.
However, I have a wild observation. Looker doesn't actually think BM is scum at all. If he did, he would never have unvoted, as town, who cares if scum is quick hammered? His 2 posts were attempts at distancing. BM + Looker are the scum duo. D3 we hammer Looker, D4 we hammer Battle Mage, town wins. Thanks Looker.
He said he didn't submit an action - how do you figure he got roleblocked?

I'd draw the opposite conclusion on Looker's unvote. Uncertainty in LyLo is pro-town. But his justification for voting me was so empty anyway.

Bottom line is I don't know who it is out of Jam and Looker, but I'm sure of 72o.
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Post Post #1213 (ISO) » Mon Jul 20, 2020 11:05 am

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In post 1209, JamSV wrote:
In post 1206, Battle Mage wrote:Ok so it definitely can't be Jam-Looker as I'd be dead. I think Jam-72o, given this:
In post 1200, JamSV wrote:There's something important to note.
At the moment
, TTJT is conf town. Unless if Looker wants to pop up and counter claim.
Jam trying to cast doubt on TTJT claim - despite the fact the cop cleared him yesterday and he's 100% proven town. Why would he be encouraging Looker to counter-claim, when TTJT has to be telling the truth? :shifty:

But seriously TTJT - 72o is 100% conf-scum, let's actually hit one at least.
In post 1208, TheThirteenthJT wrote:If someone wants to counterclaim I gladly encourage it. makes the game easy for town lol. I'll get back to you guys in a bit.
I wanted Looker to counter claim, as TTJT says, makes it really easy.
In post 1203, Looker wrote:
In post 1191, JamSV wrote:The issue when its 3v2 of voting at all, is it actually allows potential for both scum partners to hop on and quick hammer. So I don't know how to take what 72 just did.
In post 1192, JamSV wrote:AKA. Did 72 just hit a scum slot as town or is 72 scum? It isn't town hitting town as scum would win.
I think it means that Battle Mage is scum. It's interesting that you'd still vote for me, though.
In post 1194, TheThirteenthJT wrote:Mas claim time. I am the town doctor. I was bout to warn you guys not to close out the day because I would w unavailable to send in a night action until today. I'll respond after work
That's not very believable. Why wouldn't you just ask for an extension? Who all did you protect?

  • I should've stuck to my guns yesterday and stayed on JamSV. Pending ThirteenthJT's response, I'm thinking BM + JamSV. That would explain BM trying to take up for my playstyle yesterday.
VOTE: Battle Mage
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Post Post #1214 (ISO) » Mon Jul 20, 2020 11:08 am

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In post 1212, Battle Mage wrote:
In post 1205, JamSV wrote:
In post 1203, Looker wrote:
In post 1191, JamSV wrote:The issue when its 3v2 of voting at all, is it actually allows potential for both scum partners to hop on and quick hammer. So I don't know how to take what 72 just did.
In post 1192, JamSV wrote:AKA. Did 72 just hit a scum slot as town or is 72 scum? It isn't town hitting town as scum would win.
I think it means that Battle Mage is scum. It's interesting that you'd still vote for me, though.
In post 1194, TheThirteenthJT wrote:Mas claim time. I am the town doctor. I was bout to warn you guys not to close out the day because I would w unavailable to send in a night action until today. I'll respond after work
That's not very believable. Why wouldn't you just ask for an extension? Who all did you protect?

  • I should've stuck to my guns yesterday and stayed on JamSV. Pending ThirteenthJT's response, I'm thinking BM + JamSV. That would explain BM trying to take up for my playstyle yesterday.
VOTE: Battle Mage
He probably got role blocked. ClarkBar investigated him and TTJT came up town. Vanilla Townie would have no reason to claim Doctor here. NGL though, I'm impressed by your distancing attempt. If I were you though, I'd try very hard to get me hammed not BM. My previous post explained that its me or you, and BattleMage of 72offsuit. TTJT is smart enough to understand that. As such you really should start scraping for a case against me.
However, I have a wild observation. Looker doesn't actually think BM is scum at all. If he did, he would never have unvoted, as town, who cares if scum is quick hammered? His 2 posts were attempts at distancing. BM + Looker are the scum duo. D3 we hammer Looker, D4 we hammer Battle Mage, town wins. Thanks Looker.
He said he didn't submit an action - how do you figure he got roleblocked?

I'd draw the opposite conclusion on Looker's unvote. Uncertainty in LyLo is pro-town. But his justification for voting me was so empty anyway.

Bottom line is I don't know who it is out of Jam and Looker, but I'm sure of 72o.
There's no difference N2 in terms of getting roleblocked and missing the opportunity to fill an action. Doesn't mean he couldn't have still been roleblocked.
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Post Post #1215 (ISO) » Mon Jul 20, 2020 11:11 am

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In post 1211, JamSV wrote:
In post 1207, Battle Mage wrote:
In post 1201, JamSV wrote:EBWOP
I might be absolutely terrible at reading players, very stubborn in terms of tunnel vision voting, and still very inexperienced, thankfully however, it seems vacuum Mafia Mechanics are what I'm good at.
Everything you posted was obvious, with the exception of the bit where you tried to persuade me to move my vote off 72o. Likewise, if 72o was town and not your partner, why would he listen to you and move his vote off me?

The "I might be absolutely terrible at reading players" is a loose appeal to emotion, to invoke a feeling of sympathetic town - actually your reads and voting record hasn't been so bad this game, compared to say, me, and you're also a very good player for a newbie, so I don't buy this as genuine.
My reads and voting record hasn't been so bad this game? I've voted for / have been threatening to vote for 3 people. ClarkBar, Porkens, Looker. In your world, they're all town. Voting and scum reading town isn't a good record. This is probably a slip
to be honest
.
"to be honest" - vintage honesty scumtell.

And no, not a slip - you voted to eliminate Porkens on Day 1, really just to screw with Clark, and you (like me) were the only ones not on the Dunnstral mislynch yesterday. Ultimately we haven't flipped a scum yet, so it's hard to say anyone has a great record, but yours hasn't been any worse than anybody elses. As noted, I was wrong about Porkens and Quick on Day 1, and Day 2 I accidentally outted the cop and was wrong about you and Raya being masons. My record is clearly worse than yours by your own admission - from your perspective, 1 of your 3 suspects all game would be scum. And even then, my voting record isn't as bad as 72o in terms of actual lynches.

Please tell me again why you thought it necessary to lament your "absolutely terrible" reads in such a dramatic way?
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Post Post #1216 (ISO) » Mon Jul 20, 2020 11:15 am

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In post 1215, Battle Mage wrote:
In post 1211, JamSV wrote:
In post 1207, Battle Mage wrote:
In post 1201, JamSV wrote:EBWOP
I might be absolutely terrible at reading players, very stubborn in terms of tunnel vision voting, and still very inexperienced, thankfully however, it seems vacuum Mafia Mechanics are what I'm good at.
Everything you posted was obvious, with the exception of the bit where you tried to persuade me to move my vote off 72o. Likewise, if 72o was town and not your partner, why would he listen to you and move his vote off me?

The "I might be absolutely terrible at reading players" is a loose appeal to emotion, to invoke a feeling of sympathetic town - actually your reads and voting record hasn't been so bad this game, compared to say, me, and you're also a very good player for a newbie, so I don't buy this as genuine.
My reads and voting record hasn't been so bad this game? I've voted for / have been threatening to vote for 3 people. ClarkBar, Porkens, Looker. In your world, they're all town. Voting and scum reading town isn't a good record. This is probably a slip
to be honest
.
"to be honest" - vintage honesty scumtell.

And no, not a slip - you voted to eliminate Porkens on Day 1, really just to screw with Clark, and you (like me) were the only ones not on the Dunnstral mislynch yesterday. Ultimately we haven't flipped a scum yet, so it's hard to say anyone has a great record, but yours hasn't been any worse than anybody elses. As noted, I was wrong about Porkens and Quick on Day 1, and Day 2 I accidentally outted the cop and was wrong about you and Raya being masons. My record is clearly worse than yours by your own admission - from your perspective, 1 of your 3 suspects all game would be scum. And even then, my voting record isn't as bad as 72o in terms of actual lynches.

Please tell me again why you thought it necessary to lament your "absolutely terrible" reads in such a dramatic way?
If you play basketball for fun, and in multiple games you miss all your attempts at 3s (as shooting guard), but in one game, you're slightly better than the opposing team's shooting guard, does that make you a good shooting guard? Terrible analogy? Yes. Lamening? No.
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Post Post #1217 (ISO) » Mon Jul 20, 2020 11:16 am

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ah damnit, it's Jam and 72o aint it? all that shade on Looker from Jam yesterday was just trying to set him up as the mislynch in LyLo, and Jam is sticking with that strategy now, rather than simply following his buddy and outting himself by voting for me.

TTJT - it's all over to you to win it (again)...
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Post Post #1218 (ISO) » Mon Jul 20, 2020 11:27 am

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In post 1217, Battle Mage wrote:ah damnit, it's Jam and 72o aint it? all that shade on Looker from Jam yesterday was just trying to set him up as the mislynch in LyLo, and Jam is sticking with that strategy now, rather than simply following his buddy and outting himself by voting for me.

TTJT - it's all over to you to win it (again)...
Very nice try, quite incorrect. Do you really think, I'd plan that far ahead, as to be "suspicious" of him D1, to "throw shade" D2, so that I could hammer him Day 3? He has yet to address the issues I've had properly, the tiny bit of addressing he has done, was delayed so much, that it basically confirmed he was scum. As a "town" Battle Mage, can you actually say, what Looker did during D2 was Town aligned? Can you try to validate it being NAI? Is it in no way scum indicative? I'm going to go through all of Looker's posts now, explain how he's scum. You're free to do the same and to explain why he's town. You won't be able to, as he is scum, but regardless, I invite the attempt.
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Post Post #1219 (ISO) » Mon Jul 20, 2020 11:54 am

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Not 72 and jams BM try again.

Game would be over.
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Post Post #1220 (ISO) » Mon Jul 20, 2020 11:57 am

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And I want to see you guys go it some more. Ive been doing math to figure this one out. I honestly wish I had unvoted last day and would of had I been given the chance.
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Post Post #1221 (ISO) » Mon Jul 20, 2020 11:59 am

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This game comes down to 72 and Looker or BM with either looker and jams. I have to do a reread and I'll figure it out. Should have eliminated me last night over Clark in all honesty.
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Post Post #1222 (ISO) » Mon Jul 20, 2020 12:02 pm

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In post 1218, JamSV wrote:
In post 1217, Battle Mage wrote:ah damnit, it's Jam and 72o aint it? all that shade on Looker from Jam yesterday was just trying to set him up as the mislynch in LyLo, and Jam is sticking with that strategy now, rather than simply following his buddy and outting himself by voting for me.

TTJT - it's all over to you to win it (again)...
Very nice try, quite incorrect. Do you really think, I'd plan that far ahead, as to be "suspicious" of him D1, to "throw shade" D2, so that I could hammer him Day 3? He has yet to address the issues I've had properly, the tiny bit of addressing he has done, was delayed so much, that it basically confirmed he was scum. As a "town" Battle Mage, can you actually say, what Looker did during D2 was Town aligned? Can you try to validate it being NAI? Is it in no way scum indicative? I'm going to go through all of Looker's posts now, explain how he's scum. You're free to do the same and to explain why he's town. You won't be able to, as he is scum, but regardless, I invite the attempt.
As Dunnstral and I both noted, your issue with Looker was just how he is. It's NAI because he does the same thing regardless of his alignment, but it feels to me like maybe you've targetted him without taking account of his meta, seeing him as an easy target because of this. This is borne out by your play today. Trying to challenge me to make a case in defence of him when I've said it really has no bearing on his alignment either way, is strawmanning me. Moreover, your description of your own actions seems perfectly feasible to me, and is exactly the sort of approach I would take as competent scum looking to line up mislynches without attracting too much attention. It looks a lot more likely than your suggestion that I'm scum who tunnel-visioned and then intentionally killed off my suspects to damage my own credibility, before deliberately making a gambit to try and out fakeclaims, which serves literally no purpose as scum. :facepalm:
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Post Post #1223 (ISO) » Mon Jul 20, 2020 12:03 pm

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In post 1219, TheThirteenthJT wrote:Not 72 and jams BM try again.

Game would be over.
Game wouldn't be over - Looker only put me at -1 for less than 1 minute, and nobody posted in that time.
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Post Post #1224 (ISO) » Mon Jul 20, 2020 12:06 pm

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His first 2 posts aren't alignment indicative. (Working in chronological order)
In post 474, Looker wrote:
Hey, Raya. Fuck LuckyLuciano. I'm pretty sure he's just faking his outrage because he has no other tools in his skillset as scum.
Him faking a PR was weak.

  • Currently, flip preferences are: 36% LuckyLuciano or Battle Mage | 26% 72offsuit, JamSV, or ThirteenthJT | 16% LicketyQuickety | 12% ClarkBar | 10% Raya.
VOTE: LuckyLuciano
The bold part I just find interesting, based off of a certain someone insinuating I'm not very friendly.
Now, keep an eye on the %s of 2 people in particular, BattleMage's, and ClarkBar's.
In post 534, Looker wrote:
In post 475, ClarkBar wrote:@Looker: Would I be correct in guessing that your flip percentage preference does not necessarily correlate to town v scum reads?
For the most part they do, but I try to focus more on votecount than tone because I feel it's easy for people to fake and bullshit. Typically who people vote off is significant enough to them to be genuine.
debunks the fact that it isn't solely based off of votecount, especially considering ClarkBar's 0%.
In post 746, Looker wrote: Flip preferences: 29% Porkens | 20% JamSV | 16% Raya | 14% ThirteenthJT or LicketyQuick | 12% Battle Mage | 9% 72offsuit | 0% ClarkBar

Reminder I said to keep an eye on BattleMage's and ClarkBar's %s. 36 -> 12, and 12 -> 0. Unfortunately, I was planning on bringing up to 12% -> 0% for ClarkBar, once he actually bothered to explain his %s. He never did. He explained why he scum read me and Raya, sure, alright, I don't quite recall asking for them 2 in particular though, oddly, I recall asking for ClarkBar's and 72's explanations considering 0% and 9% respectively, and them being the lowest.
In post 751, Looker wrote:My percentages are based off who I think are most likely to flip scum based on who they've tried to flip and who's tried to flip them. Clark is at 0 because he's basic and there's no interaction to influence me to flip him. Especially at the time of that post. I
am
a replacement, though, so, if I've missed something, let me know.
Right, okay, that makes sense... Wait... Am I reading that correctly? Hmm... Clark is at 0 because he's basic and there's no interaction to influence you to flip him. I may be remembering this incorrectly so I do apologise. For your initial %s to be at 12% for ClarkBar, and not 0. That means initially, he wasn't basic enough, and had too many interactions to influence you to flip him? Wait... That can't be right... There's no logic there surely? I must be missing something...
Looker is scum.



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="In post 968, Looker"]
Your assumptions are confusing me. I also think it's weird that you went from "I don't understand what Looker means" to "Looker is being purposefully 'nonsensical'" without any input from me.

JamSV/Raya

  • Flip preferences: 24% JamSV | 22% Raya | 19% Battle Mage | 18% ThirteenthJT | 9% ClarkBar | 8% 72offsuit
    • Jams's imgur post shows he voteparked a town slot and has avoided suspicion all game.
  • I think it's interesting that this is a newbie game, but there are like no newbies.
  • That was kind of a low blow - "His reads don't tend to be particularly accurate in general". My reads are as accurate as anybody else's.
VOTE: JamSV[/quote]
Just want to note while its there. People change their minds and can interpret things differently after reading stuff additional times. I'll give you the fact that accidentally voting town, does slightly increase scum %. As to whether all %s are increased by the same amount, would be important to explain. Vote parking isn't a valid excuse however, scum would be opportunistic.
In post 1005, Looker wrote:
In post 996, JamSV wrote:
Long Story Short
Many people have also brought up the lack of sustenance your % stuff has. It's not just me, I'm the one pushing for you to explain in depth. Once again, you were incapable of explaining any read or percentage Looker.
What people, and I think you mean substance. What part of my explanation did you not like? "Incapable"? Are you a troll account?
Firstly, there's a saying. Don't give what you can't receive. I did mean substance. Still want an explanation as to how the %s changed. You've said its due to the Porken's flip. How much was due to it? What about other factors? Etc Etc. No explanation.
In post 1075, Looker wrote:


I feel you're making a mistake about Jam
VOTE: Raya36
How does one go from "I feel you're making a mistake about Jam", to voting Raya. You went from being basically certain I was scum, to being unsure with "I feel" (GCSE English Language Analysis yw). Town wouldn't join a wagon like that.
In post 1102, Looker wrote:
  • Clark calling me "hostile" is a bit exaggerative.
  • What's "ART"?
  • Bearing on nothing? How can my response to someone not have any bearing on the topic? These approaches are confusing me.
  • It made no sense to flip Raya yesterday when my suspects were Porkens and JamSV.
    • Scum are JamSV and Raya
Nothing particularly to add there. It's just comes down to you stating me and Raya are scum. Notice, you've barely tried to convince anybody at this point, you've only defended yourself. Surely town would have at least attempted to convince others before jumping opportunistically to Raya?
In post 1155, Looker wrote: I honestly did it that last time because i thought you were being rude. I explained why I suspected you and Raya earlier, but, since Dunnstral's replaced in, I'll go further. The fact that no one's voted you at all and you were on a townflip increases your likelihood for being scum. I don't see why Porkens's wagon wouldn't be the first place to look, especially with him and LQ flipping town. Clark is claiming Cop and an innocent on Thirteenth, so his slot should be self-resolving. 72offsuit didn't eliminate town. Raya/Dunnstral pushed Echo/LQ and Porkens, both who flipped town. Blopp/Battle Mage could be scum as well.
In post 1132, JamSV wrote:I've looked over your games, all you do is post single sentences with little impact to fly under the radar, regardless of alignment.
Are these things not hurtful to you people?

  • Is Clark accusing me of being a bad SE? You guys killed the SE's, and the one you have left you're arguing with over playstyle.
    • Also, I'm posting as much as I can in this game that I play to relax. I have an actual job, though, and actual loved ones, so snark doesn't compel me to "try harder" regardless of whether you think I'm scum or not. I
      do
      try my best, though, which is why insulting people's intelligence and literacy isn't impressive to me.
  • I'll stop being so sensitive.
Ask away.
Playing to win turned to playing to relax once someone starts to pressure you, I see. You didn't go in further you just said it again. Randomly went from certain about me and Raya to lightly suspecting BattleMage. Doesn't quite make sense, but I'll just assume you're being a bit nice to Dunnstral for "replacing into scum", and giving him the benefit of the doubt. Still doesn't make sense to be so sure of me and Raya, to then claim BattleMage could be scum. Subtle distancing. "Fuck you LuckyLuciano" I recall you saying.
In post 1203, Looker wrote:
In post 1191, JamSV wrote:The issue when its 3v2 of voting at all, is it actually allows potential for both scum partners to hop on and quick hammer. So I don't know how to take what 72 just did.
In post 1192, JamSV wrote:AKA. Did 72 just hit a scum slot as town or is 72 scum? It isn't town hitting town as scum would win.
I think it means that Battle Mage is scum. It's interesting that you'd still vote for me, though.
In post 1194, TheThirteenthJT wrote:Mas claim time. I am the town doctor. I was bout to warn you guys not to close out the day because I would w unavailable to send in a night action until today. I'll respond after work
That's not very believable. Why wouldn't you just ask for an extension? Who all did you protect?

  • I should've stuck to my guns yesterday and stayed on JamSV. Pending ThirteenthJT's response, I'm thinking BM + JamSV. That would explain BM trying to take up for my playstyle yesterday.
VOTE: Battle Mage
In post 1204, Looker wrote:UNVOTE:
Just a really obvious attempt at distancing.
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