Mini Theme 2112: Skyrim Mod Upick Town Win

[jjh927]

I'm currently torn between designing and running an abnormal game like the kind of thing I ran a bunch of in the marathon weekend except not hastily thrown together
and running a mini theme I have already designed based around the prisoner's dilemma

[gobbledygook]

What do you mean abnormal?

[jjh927]

My OP on the marathon games was


I have a word document with some totally new roles on it. I'm gonna make some setups with various numbers of people using some amount of randomly selected roles from that document, some actually selected roles from that document to make a setup that works, and no more than 2 normal roles/modifiers*. Also no more than 2 roles that aren't normal but that I've seen people use before.
*This obviously does not include VTs.

[jjh927]

In practice I didn't actually use any non-original roles over the 5 games besides obviously VTs

[jjh927]

There's a temptation to get a game reviewed by normal game review group and try to bring the process as close to a normal review but without using any normal roles at all.
I think I'd have to publish my role list for the game to work though

[Something_Smart]

Normal games from an alternate universe... that's pretty cool. I'd take a look at it if you wanted.

[popsofctown]

I'm of the opinion that mafia games based on game theory are not actually good. Do the abnormal stuff

[Something_Smart]

I'm of the opinion that mafia games based on game theory are not actually good.

I mean, in theory (lol) they can be.

But the Prisoner's Dilemma seems like a pretty tricky topic to do a game on, because mafia is zero-sum...

[jjh927]

Spoiler: Game mechanics for the prisoner's dilemma game

Game Mechanics:

After a lynch has been achieved, or deadline has passed with no lynch, there will be a 24 hour twilight period. In this period, the mafia will pair off members of the playerlist. Any unassigned players will be randomised. If there is an odd number of players, one player will be left out. That player may not be left out again for the rest of the game, unless somehow all living players have been left out.

At the start of the night, all paired players will be informed of who they were paired with. Players will be given the choice to betray their partner, or cooperate with them.
If you betray your partner and they cooperate, your role PM will be activated for that night.
If you both betray each other, then nothing will happen.
If you both cooperate, then you will form a PT together.

If you choose to betray and have a night action that targets, please state your target alongside your intention to betray.

A player who is left out can make no such decision, and thus is effectively blocked from activating their role for the night.



Scum may always submit a nightkill regardless of this mechanic.

[alimdia]

What are the benefits from forming the PT, your role still can't be used right?

[jjh927]

You get a PT with someone who just effectively agreed to cooperate with you

[Wake1]

Wait, we won already???

[Wake1]

I will apologize for being so aloof this game. I'm still working a stretch of 8 12-hour hospital shifts.

I'm liking the design of some of these mechanics. If I make Wake's Large Role Madness #2 I may put some of these in there.

[popsofctown]

I wouldn't really call that prisoner's dilemma since I would round the benefit of a neighborhood to zero. It's at least as good as Chain of Command anywhere because of the dynamics of roleblocking your partner and your partner knowing you roleblocked them

[jjh927]

That's exactly the deal with prisoner's dilemma though?

If both people act out of self interest, it's the worst scenario
If neither do then it's very slightly better, but not much
and if one does then it's great for them and shit for the other.

[popsofctown]

I would rate the outcome for cooperation and getting betrayed as equal to eachother, and in prisoner's dilemma getting betrayed is supposed to hurt more than cooperation.

It is hard for me to call a neighborhood a positive it has never truly been evidenced that neighborhoods reliably help winrates they are just fun

I would suggest cooperating players become unable to vote for eachother the next dayphase that would be an actual mechanical benefit.

[MariaR]