Newbie 2016: Snapdragons (Game Over)

[TheThirteenthJT]

Also I want a confirmation from. Town that you won't all hate me if I make the wrong choice lol.

I won't hate you dude, given my bloody performance this game! But I'll be a bit disappointed in us collectively if we can't get 72 at least. You only need to hit 1 today, and then the pressure is probably on me tomorrow!

Why do you mean by tHis? .

[72offsuit]

Also I want a confirmation from. Town that you won't all hate me if I make the wrong choice lol.

No. We won't. Just
1) talk us through your thoughts before you vote, and 2) Also give your FoS for tomorrow.

[72offsuit]

Jam's interaction with 72o on the last page makes zero sense from town who has mechanically confirmed 72o is scum.

TTJT. Posts like this alone are kick-worthy.

In no world am i confirmedscum from jams PoV.

[72offsuit]

Also I want a confirmation from. Town that you won't all hate me if I make the wrong choice lol.

I won't hate you dude, given my bloody performance this game! But I'll be a bit disappointed in us collectively if we can't get 72 at least. You only need to hit 1 today, and then the pressure is probably on me tomorrow!

Why do you mean by tHis? .

BM is just deliberately trying to muddy the waters.
Just read my pushes on Raya/Dunstraal and Clark and BM, and BM's pushes and consider which do you think they come from a town mindset.

[72offsuit]

Didnt mean to quote anything there. Just wanted to thread reply.

[Battle Mage]

Also I want a confirmation from. Town that you won't all hate me if I make the wrong choice lol.

I won't hate you dude, given my bloody performance this game! But I'll be a bit disappointed in us collectively if we can't get 72 at least. You only need to hit 1 today, and then the pressure is probably on me tomorrow!

Why do you mean by tHis? .

you've basically got a 50% chance of hitting scum today to keep the game alive. If you do, you'll be killed tonight because scum are unlikely to risk having the doctor block their kill. in which case, I'll have to nail the final scum tomorrow without you, if we manage to get one today.

[72offsuit]

Also I want a confirmation from. Town that you won't all hate me if I make the wrong choice lol.

I won't hate you dude, given my bloody performance this game! But I'll be a bit disappointed in us collectively if we can't get 72 at least. You only need to hit 1 today, and then the pressure is probably on me tomorrow!

Why do you mean by tHis? .

you've basically got a 50% chance of hitting scum today to keep the game alive. If you do, you'll be killed tonight because scum are unlikely to risk having the doctor block their kill. in which case, I'll have to nail the final scum tomorrow without you, if we manage to get one today.

Him being doc makes 0 difference. He is an uncced player, therefore A clear. If he was a solo mason he would still b killed.

Further shows BM is not in a town frame of mind

[72offsuit]

Also I want a confirmation from. Town that you won't all hate me if I make the wrong choice lol.

I won't hate you dude, given my bloody performance this game! But I'll be a bit disappointed in us collectively if we can't get 72 at least. You only need to hit 1 today, and then the pressure is probably on me tomorrow!

Why do you mean by tHis? .

you've basically got a 50% chance of hitting scum today to keep the game alive. If you do, you'll be killed tonight because scum are unlikely to risk having the doctor block their kill. in which case, I'll have to nail the final scum tomorrow without you, if we manage to get one today.

Its pretty easy to nail scum when you already know who it is.

[JamSV]

Also I want a confirmation from. Town that you won't all hate me if I make the wrong choice lol.

I won't hate you dude, given my bloody performance this game! But I'll be a bit disappointed in us collectively if we can't get 72 at least. You only need to hit 1 today, and then the pressure is probably on me tomorrow!

Why do you mean by tHis? .

you've basically got a 50% chance of hitting scum today to keep the game alive. If you do, you'll be killed tonight because scum are unlikely to risk having the doctor block their kill. in which case, I'll have to nail the final scum tomorrow without you, if we manage to get one today.

Cop + Doc means we're in column 1. Meaning there's a roleblocker. If scum kills TTJT Town wins you know? If me and 72 are alive we hammer you or Looker for the win instantly.

[Battle Mage]

Also I want a confirmation from. Town that you won't all hate me if I make the wrong choice lol.

I won't hate you dude, given my bloody performance this game! But I'll be a bit disappointed in us collectively if we can't get 72 at least. You only need to hit 1 today, and then the pressure is probably on me tomorrow!

Why do you mean by tHis? .

you've basically got a 50% chance of hitting scum today to keep the game alive. If you do, you'll be killed tonight because scum are unlikely to risk having the doctor block their kill. in which case, I'll have to nail the final scum tomorrow without you, if we manage to get one today.

Him being doc makes 0 difference. He is an uncced player, therefore A clear. If he was a solo mason he would still b killed.

Further shows BM is not in a town frame of mind

2 problems with this post:

1. Why does him being cc'd matter or not? He's a cop clear, so was conftown even before the claim. Unbelievable you're still trying to make this sound less certain than it is.
2. Being a cleared player doesn't guarantee you would be NKed. I.e. if scum thought he would vote for the wrong person in LyLo, they might consider keeping him alive. Of course, you

know

this, because we did it when we were scum together in a previous game.

[Battle Mage]

Also I want a confirmation from. Town that you won't all hate me if I make the wrong choice lol.

I won't hate you dude, given my bloody performance this game! But I'll be a bit disappointed in us collectively if we can't get 72 at least. You only need to hit 1 today, and then the pressure is probably on me tomorrow!

Why do you mean by tHis? .

you've basically got a 50% chance of hitting scum today to keep the game alive. If you do, you'll be killed tonight because scum are unlikely to risk having the doctor block their kill. in which case, I'll have to nail the final scum tomorrow without you, if we manage to get one today.

Cop + Doc means we're in column 1. Meaning there's a roleblocker. If scum kills TTJT Town wins you know? If me and 72 are alive we hammer you or Looker for the win instantly.

How does this make any sense? Surely you can't both be alive tomorrow, otherwise town would have already lost.

[JamSV]

Also I want a confirmation from. Town that you won't all hate me if I make the wrong choice lol.

I won't hate you dude, given my bloody performance this game! But I'll be a bit disappointed in us collectively if we can't get 72 at least. You only need to hit 1 today, and then the pressure is probably on me tomorrow!

Why do you mean by tHis? .

you've basically got a 50% chance of hitting scum today to keep the game alive. If you do, you'll be killed tonight because scum are unlikely to risk having the doctor block their kill. in which case, I'll have to nail the final scum tomorrow without you, if we manage to get one today.

Cop + Doc means we're in column 1. Meaning there's a roleblocker. If scum kills TTJT Town wins you know? If me and 72 are alive we hammer you or Looker for the win instantly.

How does this make any sense? Surely you can't both be alive tomorrow, otherwise town would have already lost.

You nearly have a point, but you've somehow forgotten you and Looker are the scum pair. Try harder.

[Nahdia]

Vote Count 3.02

Battle Mage (1):

72offsuit

72offsuit (1):

Battle Mage

Looker (1):

JamSV

JamSV (1):

Looker

Not Voting (1):

TheThirteenthJT

Deadline is in

(expired on 2020-07-27 00:40:03)

, at which point we will default to no elimination.

With five players alive, it takes

three

to reach majority.

Mod Note:

asdf

[TheThirteenthJT]

Alright I am neither confirming or denying. In a scenerrio where I fakeclaimed doctor would it change your views? Obviously mafia knows the truth and town can only believe what I say. Does that make a difference based on reactions to my claim. How would you see looker who was the only one to have openly opposed my claim.

[JamSV]

Alright I am neither confirming or denying. In a scenerrio where I fakeclaimed doctor would it change your views? Obviously mafia knows the truth and town can only believe what I say. Does that make a difference based on reactions to my claim. How would you see looker who was the only one to have openly opposed my claim.

You're conftown anyway. It just would mean 72offsuit is the Doctor. There's no possible scenario where Looker is town though. Would mean I'd have to be a little more careful D4 that's all.

[Battle Mage]

Alright I am neither confirming or denying. In a scenerrio where I fakeclaimed doctor would it change your views? Obviously mafia knows the truth and town can only believe what I say. Does that make a difference based on reactions to my claim. How would you see looker who was the only one to have openly opposed my claim.

Omg if this is true, I love you

[Battle Mage]

Ok so TTJT, my thoughts would be as follows:

Looker reaction looks bad on surface, as I noted at the time, because he should know you were conftown regardless of your claim. BUT, if you forget that, I can understand the skepticism - ordinarily claiming Doc and conveniently forgetting to protect the Cop could be a scumplay, albeit not a very good one. However, I'd argue the following by Jam is worse.

Jam ignores what you said about not submitting an action, and jumps to the "he must have been roleblocked" because that would fit with the setup. He's emphasised this point a couple of times, which would look more like he knew you were fakeclaiming and wanting to make himself look extra-town by playing along and pretending there was a scum roleblocker (and in doing so, glossing over what you'd actually said). In his haste, he seems to have scumslipped, highlighted in red below. It's a slip because Looker didn't appear to be suggesting you fakeclaimed as town at all - he was implying you were scum. Jam on the other hand, assumes that you would be fakeclaiming as vanilla, and is at pains to explain why he thinks that wouldn't be possible:

Mas claim time. I am the town doctor. I was bout to warn you guys not to close out the day because I would w unavailable to send in a night action until today. I'll respond after work

That's not very believable. Why wouldn't you just ask for an extension? Who all did you protect?

The issue when its 3v2 of voting at all, is it actually allows potential for both scum partners to hop on and quick hammer. So I don't know how to take what 72 just did.

AKA. Did 72 just hit a scum slot as town or is 72 scum? It isn't town hitting town as scum would win.

I think it means that Battle Mage is scum. It's interesting that you'd still vote for me, though.

Mas claim time. I am the town doctor. I was bout to warn you guys not to close out the day because I would w unavailable to send in a night action until today. I'll respond after work

That's not very believable. Why wouldn't you just ask for an extension? Who all did you protect?

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• I should've stuck to my guns yesterday and stayed on JamSV. Pending ThirteenthJT's response, I'm thinking BM + JamSV. That would explain BM trying to take up for my playstyle yesterday.

VOTE: Battle Mage

He probably got role blocked. ClarkBar investigated him and TTJT came up town.

Vanilla Townie would have no reason to claim Doctor here.

NGL though, I'm impressed by your distancing attempt. If I were you though, I'd try very hard to get me hammed not BM. My previous post explained that its me or you, and BattleMage of 72offsuit.

TTJT is smart enough to understand that.

As such you really should start scraping for a case against me.
However, I have a wild observation. Looker doesn't actually think BM is scum at all. If he did, he would never have unvoted, as town, who cares if scum is quick hammered? His 2 posts were attempts at distancing. BM + Looker are the scum duo. D3 we hammer Looker, D4 we hammer Battle Mage, town wins. Thanks Looker.

I've also highlighted in blue another one of his attempts to kiss your ass, as I think I missed it at the time.

[Battle Mage]

ah i fucked up the quote order, but hopefully that is understandable!

[Battle Mage]

Alright I am neither confirming or denying. In a scenerrio where I fakeclaimed doctor would it change your views? Obviously mafia knows the truth and town can only believe what I say. Does that make a difference based on reactions to my claim. How would you see looker who was the only one to have openly opposed my claim.

You're conftown anyway. It just would mean 72offsuit is the Doctor. There's no possible scenario where Looker is town though. Would mean I'd have to be a little more careful D4 that's all.

how the hell does it mean 72offsuit is the Doctor? Surely if he was the doctor, he would have claimed it! Seriously your attempts to protect this guy defy all logic.

I have no idea what you even mean by the last bit, and I suspect you don't either at this point.

[JamSV]

Alright I am neither confirming or denying. In a scenerrio where I fakeclaimed doctor would it change your views? Obviously mafia knows the truth and town can only believe what I say. Does that make a difference based on reactions to my claim. How would you see looker who was the only one to have openly opposed my claim.

You're conftown anyway. It just would mean 72offsuit is the Doctor. There's no possible scenario where Looker is town though. Would mean I'd have to be a little more careful D4 that's all.

how the hell does it mean 72offsuit is the Doctor? Surely if he was the doctor, he would have claimed it! Seriously your attempts to protect this guy defy all logic.

I have no idea what you even mean by the last bit, and I suspect you don't either at this point.

I overestimated your reading abilities.
There is an underlying context to do with a word like if/hypothetically/suppose. "It just would mean". Conditional tense. Given the scenario that TTJT isn't the doctor, 72 would actually be the doctor. Of course, we could easily be in column C too. I highly suggest you watch this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IJEaMtNN_dM
Clearly lost on you during development. Your case is invalid.

[Nahdia]

Looker has been prodded.

[72offsuit]

Alright I am neither confirming or denying. In a scenerrio where I fakeclaimed doctor would it change your views? Obviously mafia knows the truth and town can only believe what I say. Does that make a difference based on reactions to my claim. How would you see looker who was the only one to have openly opposed my claim.

Just make a choice.

I think this game resolves the same way.

Looker's 0 interest makes me further think its looker +bm.

I think if Jams is scum than he has won already, though i think thats unlikely.

If you kick BM, i kick looker tomorrow.

If you kick looker and he flips scum, pretty sure jam kicks BM tomorrow.

If you kick me its game over.

If you kick jam, who knows.

[TheThirteenthJT]

I decided to do a bit of work for Looker, because I was curious. Based off of mod's vote count posts because I'm too lazy to go through 30 pages. Thank you Nahdia.
Table of who voted for whom voted for whom:
https://imgur.com/Cv3ZhUu idk how to include images into a post properly.

A bunch of logic stuff, read if you want, but it's in a spoiler if you don't want to.

Spoiler:

Now as we know, Looker gave Clark a 0% chance to be scum based off of who voted him, and who he voted for. He voted for Looker himself, and Porkens. Obviously he will treat himself as town, that means voting for Porkens does not make you scum at all, meaning Looker scum reads Porkens.

By those standards, myself, LicketyQuickety, and Raya36 should have lower %s by his standards. That isn't the case though. Meaning, those who voted for us, make us scum. In my case, based off of Mod vote counts, nobody has voted for me, yet I'm the 2nd highest to be scum for it, weird. This is strike 1 for his post being nonsensical.

Raya was voted for by TTJT and 72os, and voted Porkens and LicketyQuickety, from this we can assume Looker town reads TTJT, 72os, and LicketyQuickety. However based off of the percentages for me, Raya, lickety, and TTJT, this makes no sense again. This is strike 2 for his post being nonsensical.

LicketyQuickety voted for Battle Mage, Porkens, 72, and TTJT, well, we just worked out TTJT and 72 were town, and a vote on porkens gave ClarkBar a 0%, so this implies Battle Mage is scum. This is strike 3 for his post being nonsensical.

Basically, what the spoiler says is, its nonsense, I could explain more but I got bored. I felt like proving his post about how he got his %s was just a lie. I really would like to see his read list on everybody, doesn't necessarily need an explanation, I'd also like an explanation between the 0% on Clark because his explanation was nonsense, and on the 9% for 72offsuit. Good news though Porkens, depending on how he responds, can change my mind into expecting a ClarkBar/Looker duo.

I'm doing iso reads btw. Found that table hilarious. The order has all 5 of us towards the front. Jamsv/72 confirmed lol jk. Still working my way to making a vote. Also waiting for Lookers thoughts.

From Jams ISO he would have bussed 72 quite a bit day one. Meanwhile defended Blopp whole he was not around. Bloopp becomes BM so I'm looking at interactions. That's where I'm at.

[TheThirteenthJT]

Alright I am neither confirming or denying. In a scenerrio where I fakeclaimed doctor would it change your views? Obviously mafia knows the truth and town can only believe what I say. Does that make a difference based on reactions to my claim. How would you see looker who was the only one to have openly opposed my claim.

Just make a choice.

I think this game resolves the same way.

Looker's 0 interest makes me further think its looker +bm.

I think if Jams is scum than he has won already, though i think thats unlikely.

If you kick BM, i kick looker tomorrow.

If you kick looker and he flips scum, pretty sure jam kicks BM tomorrow.

If you kick me its game over.

If you kick jam, who knows.

If I get agreements from BM and Jams I will move this day phase to it's end.

[JamSV]

I decided to do a bit of work for Looker, because I was curious. Based off of mod's vote count posts because I'm too lazy to go through 30 pages. Thank you Nahdia.
Table of who voted for whom voted for whom:
https://imgur.com/Cv3ZhUu idk how to include images into a post properly.

A bunch of logic stuff, read if you want, but it's in a spoiler if you don't want to.

Spoiler:

Now as we know, Looker gave Clark a 0% chance to be scum based off of who voted him, and who he voted for. He voted for Looker himself, and Porkens. Obviously he will treat himself as town, that means voting for Porkens does not make you scum at all, meaning Looker scum reads Porkens.

By those standards, myself, LicketyQuickety, and Raya36 should have lower %s by his standards. That isn't the case though. Meaning, those who voted for us, make us scum. In my case, based off of Mod vote counts, nobody has voted for me, yet I'm the 2nd highest to be scum for it, weird. This is strike 1 for his post being nonsensical.

Raya was voted for by TTJT and 72os, and voted Porkens and LicketyQuickety, from this we can assume Looker town reads TTJT, 72os, and LicketyQuickety. However based off of the percentages for me, Raya, lickety, and TTJT, this makes no sense again. This is strike 2 for his post being nonsensical.

LicketyQuickety voted for Battle Mage, Porkens, 72, and TTJT, well, we just worked out TTJT and 72 were town, and a vote on porkens gave ClarkBar a 0%, so this implies Battle Mage is scum. This is strike 3 for his post being nonsensical.

Basically, what the spoiler says is, its nonsense, I could explain more but I got bored. I felt like proving his post about how he got his %s was just a lie. I really would like to see his read list on everybody, doesn't necessarily need an explanation, I'd also like an explanation between the 0% on Clark because his explanation was nonsense, and on the 9% for 72offsuit. Good news though Porkens, depending on how he responds, can change my mind into expecting a ClarkBar/Looker duo.

I'm doing iso reads btw. Found that table hilarious. The order has all 5 of us towards the front. Jamsv/72 confirmed lol jk. Still working my way to making a vote. Also waiting for Lookers thoughts.

From Jams ISO he would have bussed 72 quite a bit day one. Meanwhile defended Blopp whole he was not around. Bloopp becomes BM so I'm looking at interactions. That's where I'm at.

It's just a coincidence the order. I just went off of the order in Nahdia's post.