Mini Normal 2153: Post-game

[Porkens]

VOTE: not_maf[/v]

[UnaBombaH]

So, I did my pondering and have some perspective on things now.
The next thing we need to decide is whether we want n_m executed today, or we wait a couple days.

I for one won't hold my breath - this is who he is every time.
I agree that slot wasn't/isn't outright scummy, but it hasn't done much of anything either.
And I'm done with having slots like these around on MyLo/LyLo.
Because selfvotes and hasty lolhammers lose more games for town than scum there.

[UnaBombaH]

I do not want Bella executed, but I'd like to see them flipped, if that makes any sense.
I do not think Isis and Bella are scum together, and I want Isis sorted asap.
If I feel good enough about Isis and notscience at the same time, I feel like the game is solvable.

[Porkens]

I have no such confidence in my reads, like I’m far from solving.

[Galron]

Well if this is not_mafia, I'm okay with a policy there or RFS either one. Unless nm is a lylo grandmaster. I disagree with flipping a strong player just to sort another strong player wrt Bella and Isis.

[Isis]

You can just treat L-2 like L-1 for lolhammers, and he fundamentally can't be a good exile choice and a risk of us losing the game due to selfvoting behavior (like is that a perspective slip?) I don't think it's correct play to policy him, I would be gungho if the slot didn't exit at >rand town.

[UnaBombaH]

risk of us losing the game due to selfvoting behavior (like is that a perspective slip?)

So you are back with the "slips"? No slips.
Lolhammer =/= selfvoting. Not necessarily in the same scenario or situation.
But both display the type of actions that lose town games when it's either already MyLo/LyLo, or getting closer to it.
Always less room for error, as we have less players in the game.

And you said it yourself - the slot is almost likely to be town. Almost.
But currently I'm not trusting them to make the right decision when it matters.

[Porkens]

Is tour desire to policy joint NM stronger than your desire to joint your strongest scumread?

[UnaBombaH]

I have no such confidence in my reads, like I’m far from solving.

Well, like said.
I feel like Isis/notscience are the slots that will give me the most trouble.
If I can sort them and feel comfortable, the actual solve isn't far behind.

[UnaBombaH]

Is tour desire to policy joint NM stronger than your desire to joint your strongest scumread?

Of course not, but we can't lynch Hoopla yet.
I think we've come across that a couple of times.
And currently I'm going back and forth in my head about Isis, but I'm not sure if people are willing to follow me there.

So policy-gank on N_M / RfS comes like third, and that's where I'm currently at.

[Porkens]

I see.

[Porkens]

I think it’s gunna be an interesting game.

[UnaBombaH]

I don't think it's correct play to policy him, I would be gungho if the slot didn't exit at >rand town.

Like, this for example bothers me a little.
Why was Flippy >rand town?
I had my own gutread on the slot (played with them a lot I'd say), which doesn't matter much now since Flippy isn't here himself anymore.
And I might've just been wrong, because I don't think town!Flippy just bails on us like that. Dunno.

But I really, really, REALLY think town often ends up "protecting" their lurkers and "trolls" from lynches for way too long.
They think scum want them dead because they are "easy mislynches".
Sure, maybe some unconfident noob!scum who just want to make it to as late as possible, but if someone like Hoopla is really scum here, they are deliberately aiming to get both RfS and N_M to lategame.
Because they trust in them to either be primed suspects by then, or at least have no cohesion or ability to lead/solve the game for town.

It's not like scum is gonna NK them ever? Why would they?

[Galron]

Really, given what everyone has said about nm, I have a null scum read there only bc of flippy flaking. I've only seen him do that as scum. So nm would be policy for me but disagree on >rand.

[Porkens]

And what’s wrong with a bellephant joint

[Galron]

I didn't preview, but I think I agree with that Isis just wrote.

[Galron]

I don't understand what the case is on Bella I guess. I don't think you're asking me though.

[Porkens]

Anyone who cares. It’s not so much a case as a gut feeling like who does she scumread and why?

[Galron]

Gera and Bob I wish were more engaged. Bob's distance has me puzzled.

[Galron]

Yeah I can't answer that.

[UnaBombaH]

Really, given what everyone has said about nm, I have a null scum read there only bc of flippy flaking. I've only seen him do that as scum. So nm would be policy for me but disagree on >rand.

So you agree with me, and disagree with Isis based on this? Right?

I didn't preview, but I think I agree with that Isis just wrote.

???

[Isis]

I've only seen flippy flake as town so I kinda been working with different data from others. That does change things

[Porkens]

Oh god he did replace floppy ips

[Isis]

Una who is your top three towns

[UnaBombaH]

Honestly?
Naming myself would be cheesy, so I'm gonna say that

Porkens

is my top townread.
I feel like they redeemed and solidified their slot somehow. (can't even remember who they replaced, but it got so much better IMO)
I feel like I can trust them to be town. Not sure I can trust their reads though.

notscience

is likely the second slot I'm least likely to scumread. I know, doesn't sound even close to what I say about Porkens.
But everything negative I say about them or slightly scumread, almost exclusively comes from the deep dark depths of paranoia.
And one of the things that feeds said Paranoia, is the way they interact with you.
notscience+Isis as a thought doesn't feel very realistics I guess, but the thought of it scares me a little.

And finally

bob

. Although, I'm sure you could put bob/notscience either way around depending on my mood and the time of the day.
I do not see Bob flipping scum this game, and it's a combination of tone and positioning on the game.
As their latest - the way they stood up to/with notscience felt towny.
As a matter of fact, their little tussle upon reread seemed even more towny than it did then.