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[shellyc]

The two leading wagons are Red and Genius. They both have sussed each other.
I feel like Red's ISO looks slightly better, he did that reverse on Italiano, but I see his posts demonstrate thought, unlike GeniusGamer's.

I feel like my order of sus would be (towniest to scummiest): Minimegabyte -> SJReaver -> Porkens -> Hat guy (need to hear more) -> Redados -> T-Bone -> GeniusGamer
Genius please defend your lack of contribution and passiveness, if not I have to park my vote on you
Also Porkens didn't include red in 466, is that an oversight

[Redados]

Sorry, I messed up the quoting in 474 somehow. I meant to quote Porkens and respond.

[shellyc]

Accidentally left out Italiano, should be this:
Italiano -> Minimegabyte -> SJReaver -> Porkens -> Hat guy (need to hear more) -> Redados -> T-Bone -> GeniusGamer

[shellyc]

I just isoed red to see what taht was about. before sharing a opinion on red, first I want u to address somethin:
U said u read 2 Italianos games to solidify ur opinion. Firs of all, u already stated u thought italiano was town before, when he first pushed. Did u read it at that point? If not, why did u find the need to search for previous games of Italiano?
Finally, why those changed ur opinion? Care to elaborate what u found and why it is consistent with town Italiano?

Order of operations:
-I read Italiano as scum
-I read Italiano as town
-(I read one of Italiano's games)
-I post that I read one of Italiano's games and that I think he's town
-(I read Italiano's other game)
-I post that I read on of Italiano's other games and that I think he's town.

I hope that was enough that you feel ready to share your opinion on me.

there r still 2 points I want:
1. WHY did u read his games (and there is no correct answer; just give me ur thought process on why it was worthwhile to invest time on reading one of his ganes)
2. What did u see on those games, maybe in a broad way, to make u think he was more townie for this

1. This game was moving very slowly at the time, not a lot of activity, so I read three games: two Italiano games and one Porkens game. I wanted to learn more.
2. Italiano in both games (and he was town in both ways) speaks and writes the same way. He has short points with his semi-spontaneous thoughts and he has long posts where he quotes people and speaks with them point by point. In both games, he makes the same sort of pushes on people. In general, I see a lot of similarities between his two town games and his current game.

The second Italiano game I read was also MiniMegabyte's first game. In that game she also did the "I'm confused" thing, so that was disappointing to see that she was still doing that in this game. She was town in that game too. That game doesn't teach me about her alignment though, because even though she played similarly and she was town that game, she either is figuring things out is scum and figured out she can keep doing that, or she hasn't quite figured things out and she's town. So that's NAI.

The game I read of Porkens was a blitz game and he played COMPLETELY differently. In the current game, he is constantly pushing and asking questions, but in that blitz game he hung back and was pretty passive and not even super active. However, Porkens has been on this site a long time, and as T-Bone said earlier in this game the more experienced a player is, the worse that meta is. So of the hundred games that Porkens has played, I don't think I learn anything about Porkens' alignment either. Plus, Porkens style in this game where he pushes and makes everyone justify their words and their actions could just be a strategy for how he plays in newbie games (he plays in a lot of games, it's tough to sift through).

So after reading those three games, I'm starting to agree with T-Bone when he says that "meta is trash". I read three games, got AI, NAI, NAI on the three people I was keeping track of, so in relation to the time I spent, I didn't really learn much.

That said, I'll probably keep reading old games and thinking like this, because it's fun and I want to stay active and involved and keep learning while helping the town. So we'll see.

For example, this post sounds like a townie post, with an attempt to read people with meta. I like this a lot, red

[MiniMegabyte]

VOTE: GeniusGamer

This seems to be the vote for today and I’ve stated above that I started sr them

[shellyc]

A 3-person bandwagon. I can see how this is a solid vote, so I'm going to place this at E-1. GeniusGamer is my biggest sus as stated before.
VOTE: GeniusGamer

[Porkens]

Wow that was fast.

Red sorry I had you on my notes I think you are in the Same level as mini

[ItalianoVD]

That’s L-1 @Shelly.

[shellyc]

really? I read it was E-1 but eLimination works

[Redados]

We still have two days left in Day One. I think Genius is the best elimination, but it makes me nervous how fast this wagon formed. Pretty nervous.

Even if Genius isn't scum, he's not someone I would want in LYLO.

That’s L-1 @Shelly.

L stands for lynch, E stands for elimination, and I think we're trying to say elimination instead of lynch when possible although it's not a rule.

GeniusGamer hasn't posted in about two hours, and last time he was one he had ZERO votes. Can we hold off on eliminating him until he has a chance to respond in some way?

[Porkens]

Yes, wait for a claim. One thing is for sure, if genius does flip scum, none of the people who just voted for him are is prtner.

[ItalianoVD]

Italiano, why did you hop on this BW? without any further agreement / disagreement on the vote. There are 2 people on and i'd like to hear his defense before voting

Because it’s better than being on you imo. I work fast as you saw with my vote on you; I don’t do a lot of explaining. I don’t know, but your response is kinda weird. It’s different now because he’s at L1, but at the time of your post, he was only at 2 votes.

[ItalianoVD]

...and I was the second vote.

[Redados]

Yes, wait for a claim. One thing is for sure, if genius does flip scum, none of the people who just voted for him are is prtner.

I don't think we can know that. If he flips scum, like I said before, I think the partner is inexperienced too, so all bets are off

[ItalianoVD]

To expand further @Red

Genius’ vote on you kind of stood out to me. And it stood out to me whether you were scum or town. SJReaver had already unvoted you so no one was leading in votes. There were I think 4 wagons at 1 vote. To be fair George hadn’t updated the votes yet, but I assumed Genius thought you were at 2 votes still and was willing, almost eager to put you at 3 votes (E2). But you weren’t the leading wagon. There was no leading wagon. I can expand in more detail later if you want, but that’s what my initial thought process was. I was actually gonna vote Genius first right after my post about your 458, but Porkens beat me to it.

[ItalianoVD]

Yes, wait for a claim. One thing is for sure, if genius does flip scum, none of the people who just voted for him are is prtner.

I don't think we can know that. If he flips scum, like I said before, I think the partner is inexperienced too, so all bets are off

Well I can kinda get Porkens point, but I can’t speak for em, so if you could elaborate on that premise Porkens, that would be great. And if Genius flips scum you can’t rule out the idea that his partner is “experienced” also?

[ItalianoVD]

Correction, I see Porkens already voted before my 469 post, but the sentiments are still true. I was gonna be voting for Genius regardless.

[Porkens]

I don’t think any partner is that eager to bus. That was

fast

.

[shellyc]

What if he flips blue, would any scum be on the quick bandwagon

[Porkens]

I’d say almost certainly

[T-Bone]

Can someone give me the post they think defines Genius as scum? I don't need an ISO dive. What are we suddenly doing these votes now? What is the catalyst?

[Porkens]

So genius votes for mini in 249 after mic and I express suspicion on her. Then invites in 372 after I said I dint love her as the exile today. In 411 he votes for red after both italV and SJR espresso suspicion.
Other than that I don’t see a lot of solving or expressing reads with reasons.

[Porkens]

Word asked me who I wanted to exile today and while I was typing up my readslist both red and mini said they would choose genius and then italiano did as we all around the same time. It was just in the air I guess

[Redados]

Can someone give me the post they think defines Genius as scum? I don't need an ISO dive. What are we suddenly doing these votes now? What is the catalyst?

Have you ISOd him?

[shellyc]

I dont think there's a defining post, just looking at his ISO it's agreed that he's sus