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[superbowl9]

Also overkill what are you actually doing? Are you going to vote anytime soon? You've posted ideas you could explore but have done nothing but lurk for the day

[redtea]

I'm aware
I did, but my reread of Nash I realized i needed to see more,

fair enough.

I really was not sure where you stood at the time, but are more town since my post.

The audacity of this man. I can't say I've seen someone double down quite like this.

Kinda bums me out that no one's voting walter anymore, but I really could see who flips between osuka and Psyche, so I might as well.
VOTE: Psyche

[WaltertheDunce10]

Lickety, since you are town, when you have caught up on thread, do you have any reads?
Why have you not voted?

[bugspray]

What's the reason for your taget switching so much? I get survivalism recently but has that been the case the whole time?

trying to find something that sticks which in restrospect is a stupid fducking idea because its easily possibly ive been right and then some scum person just is like nah thats stupid and im like lol ok good idea and then the partner is saves

pedit let me read

the pronoun correction thing is something I do literally every game I have ever played in

[Psyche]

think people are overrating my commitment to the osuka push, leading them to either think 1) i have really strong confidence in a case that's middling, or 2) that my more noncommital language re:osuka represents some sort of conflict w/ the rest of my iso.

but the fact is that my osuka push is more about driving substantive content creation than the hope i come back to this thread in a couple hours and find him lynched.

[Psyche]

redtea's wall is interesting enough to merit an answer

Here's some thoughts on Psyche.

Spoiler: Psyche, #249

VOTE: psyche I agree he's fucking weird in a scum way

can you try going into a little detail

No accusation here. No bewilderment. No analysis. No nothing.
bugspray is voting Psyche at this moment.
Is he trying to seem rational/townie in comparison to bugspray? Idk, but he doesn't follow up on it when bugspray doesn't respond. Doesn't try to get further explanation, or point anything out about it or bugspray

When you started this comment, I was unsure whether you were talking about me or about bugspray. Anyway, when I made the quoted post, I was hoping to get a response that might be analyzed later or at minimum establish in the record bugspray's unwillingness to provide explanations for his stances. Being terse with my question kept it open-ended, avoiding guiding bugspray's response. However, and this is really important, my attention was focused on osuka and not so much on interrogating bugspray at the time. For those two reasons - my style of investigation on the one hand and overall inattention on the other - my post was formatted the way it was.

On the topic of #213...

Spoiler: Psyche, #210

For all of you who find truths posts so far deeply jarring, I suggest you look at one of his other normals on here because he somehow made it alive for several days and there’s a lot of very puzzling things about how he played that game

Not going to go through this work, why not just tell us what happened lol?

no i mean you really really really should go through his iso in that game because nothing i can say here would even come remotely close to conveying just how outstandingly bizarre that game was

what i can tell you is that his behavior this game so far is a good indicator of what you'll see in the other thread

wasn't truth town in that game? if so, why did you vote for him here if his posts here are similar to his posts there?

felt like it

That's actually a way better answer than I was expecting, thanks.

You’re welcome

were you expecting me to flame you or what

just as a side note osuka has an interesting style reflected here and in the rest of his iso that seems simultaneously self-conscious (really attentive to how his posts appear) and irreverent (apathetic about coming off as coarse). strikes me as a conflict, potentially even a little disingenuous, but could easily prove innocuous.

"potentially even a little disingenuous,

could easily prove innocuous

." Looks like a red flag to me. Where's the pressure? Sure, he does vote for osuka.

Later.

But this disclaimer only makes it all the easier to retract it.
I'd hazard to say he deliberately put off his vote so it wouldn't seem contradictory to include his statements and a vote in the same post. Instead he just separates it by (1) response from osuka.
I do agree with Psyche's evaluation of osuka's posts being "self-conscious". Whereas I would've pushed based on that, Psyche didn't. Which is. A choice, I guess. But again, Psyche deliberately softened it.
On the other hand, I agree with osuka's

Yeah, I didn't want to overstate my reaction to my assessment of osuka's posts. Like I've explained elsewhere, I don't think the self-consciousness/irreverent conflict in osuka is necessarily scummy, just kind of pingy. I hadn't decided yet in post 210 whether I wanted to put pressure on osuka yet: the observation of the conflict, though, explains my attention to osuka in further posts. Also, again, I wanted to keep my question at the beginning of the post open-ended. If I were too aggressive in my follow-up comment, he might have given me a more guarded answer than "idk the vote has no basis at all" that pinged me as so scummy.

Spoiler: Psyche #250

VOTE: osuka

213 seems an odd response given that he's developed more specific/coherent negative reads on walter and bugspray since his truth vote. early votes by default are baseless and ambiguous but it's suspicious that osuka's complacent about keeping that way given that even in his view he has other options.

omegalul

are you really trying to tell me what my reads are? my hungover brain balks at the thought of having to come up with words to describe just how a complete dumpster fire piece of shit this post is

no i would have used the second rather than the third person if i were trying to tell you what your reads are. i'm not trying to convince you to self-vote, after all.

put it this way:

he's developed more specific/coherent negative reads on walter and bugspray since his truth vote

. early votes by default are baseless and ambiguous but it's suspicious that osuka's complacent about keeping that way given that

even in his view he has other options

.

emphasis mine.

the bolded text is truly honestly disgusting and does not come from town. You're trying to spin a single sentence i posted for each slot and trying to push me based off of the fact that I said "walter's post rubs me off wrong" so therefore I must think he's scum. That's dogshit

to be completely clear: if i think someone is scum, i'll say it. and right now, i think you're scum.
VOTE: psyche

this just seems like omgus. it's overly reductive, too. not much in it that i can actually appreciate. i still like my vote.

Now here's the thing. As emotional (deliberately so I think, as I'll touch on later) as osuka's response is, I agree with it to an extent. Psyche's thing here was pretty baseless. The way he's been pushing osuka is half-assed, as shown here. He doesn't address the shit osuka pointed out at all.
It isn't until 35 posts after #215 that he properly evaluates osuka at all, in #255

So that's one half of this theory, right?

Spoiler: osuka #244

VOTE: osuka

213 seems an odd response given that he's developed more specific/coherent negative reads on walter and bugspray since his truth vote. early votes by default are baseless and ambiguous but it's suspicious that osuka's complacent about keeping that way given that even in his view he has other options.

omegalul

are you really trying to tell me what my reads are? my hungover brain balks at the thought of having to come up with words to describe just how a complete dumpster fire piece of shit this post is

no i would have used the second rather than the third person if i were trying to tell you what your reads are. i'm not trying to convince you to self-vote, after all.

put it this way:

he's developed more specific/coherent negative reads on walter and bugspray since his truth vote

. early votes by default are baseless and ambiguous but it's suspicious that osuka's complacent about keeping that way given that

even in his view he has other options

.

emphasis mine.

the bolded text is truly honestly disgusting and does not come from town. You're trying to spin a single sentence i posted for each slot and trying to push me based off of the fact that I said "walter's post rubs me off wrong" so therefore I must think he's scum. That's dogshit

to be completely clear: if i think someone is scum, i'll say it. and right now, i think you're scum.
VOTE: psyche

Now refer to:

Spoiler: osuka #107

hi all
osuka is town
truth can be town for now I guess?

I see frustrated town vides with Osuka for sure, Overki11
LicketySplit, what is your read on Truth so far?

walter's post rubs me off the wrong way for some nondescript reason

but most importantly let me draw attention to this

I see frustrated town vides with Osuka for sure

BRÖTHER

i'm not frustrated yet, i'm literally just fucking around. when i'm annoyed, you'll know

Hi. I have no idea how to read this post in terms of Townie/Scummy. Could you tell me why you wanted to make this post?

felt like it

Now, I've never played with osuka before.
But that looks like a setup to me.

Not sure what you're trying to say in these last two comments. But as for the first, I just disagree with you. My case was not baseless, and in fact osuka's response to it was hyperbolic and insubstantial. You're free to disagree, but just like him you've provided no basis for that disagreement.

[Psyche]

How seriously should I be taking these votes on me? Like, to me they seem kind of lazy, pulled out of your asses, but maybe you guys don't feel that way? Should I switch into survival mode?

[Psyche]

The way he's been pushing osuka is half-assed, as shown here. He doesn't address the shit osuka pointed out at all.

what does osuka point out? and are you sure i didn't address it?

[bugspray]

Should I switch into survival mode?

It sounds like you already did

[Psyche]

eh nothing else was on

[Psyche]

btw are you the kind of player who just doesn't do much or what

[bugspray]

what

[Psyche]

it seems a straightforward question to me

[osuka]

it seems a straightforward question to me

it looked like a straightforward answer to me

"are you the kind of player who doesn't do much or what" gives two options:
- "the kind of player who doesn't do much"
- "what"

he seems to choose the second

[Psyche]

how characteristic

[osuka]

how characteristic

they're not mutually exclusive you know

[Psyche]

what's not

[osuka]

the kind of player who just doesn't do much or what

[Psyche]

i have no idea what you're trying to sayyy

[Psyche]

you guys waste so much time with this oneliner schtick

[Gypyx]

Let it be known that I do not feel Psyche is working with Town, but against it.

hey, i'd be intersted in seeing more details about this post, seems like you missed it the first time someone did

[Looker]

Spoiler:

So looker, do you have reason for voting other than hopping on?

If you're town, we use your wagon as PoE. I also like assessing the votes on competing wagons, i.e. you and bugspray.

I do think it slight scummy to not reply to it and instead go on about the pronouns, but that is probably a personal issue.

Do you think the pronoun outrage is a gimmick/AtE?

Slight scum feeling on bugspray, Psyche
Neutral on truth Overkii Looker
Town Gypyx Nash Osuka Superbowl

Do you typically not vote the people you think are scum?

I know you're voting bugspray now, but I hope you know that you'd be included in any such PoE pool.

Yes; I'm familiar. It'd still be beneficial because I'd be able to narrow down my own PoE and start determining teammates.

How seriously should I be taking these votes on me? Like, to me they seem kind of lazy, pulled out of your asses, but maybe you guys don't feel that way? Should I switch into survival mode?

How do you feel about the numerous counterwagons to defend bugspray?

you guys waste so much time with this oneliner schtick

Do you feel it's a way to not commit to contradictory logic? I would imagine the less someone says, the less they have to be held to.

[Gypyx]

Well, he sticks to doing non-commiting posts that don't really mean anything new / push the game foward,

Gypyx I still don't get your case on Walter (at that point in the game). He's "noncommital" and lurky sure, but there are others who would match this description as well. Was Walter just the first one to cross off the list, or did he say something specifically that flagged you?

well, around the time of that post, Walter was the only one who has only made posts without game-related content / where he just agrees without someone's read, scince then he kinda started to put a bit more content, but i'm still kind of uneasy with him

[Gypyx]

anyways, i just tried to get my head back into that game, it's 23:45, i'm off to get sleep, pls don't hammer

[Psyche]

im a mix of tipsy and sleep deprived im not trying to be mean sry sry