bugspray's Micro Normal Review, June 2020

[implosion]

Hello implo I am running another micro normal please make an NRG thread.
ccing micc because it's a micro and he deserves to know that i am in fact making sure my micro normal is being reviewed

ic encryptor
mason (known)
mason
informed scum that ic is also encryptor
informed scum of one mason
vt
vt
vt
vt

[implosion]

Primary: schadd_
Secondary: mastina

Also present: Micc

[mastina]

So scum basically know the PRs in the game and the ability to kill them each night, forcing scum to kill the PRs each night, counterbalanced by the town having three conftown with no other roles.

[bugspray]

Yes. There was meant to be heavy focus on dayplay but I suppose forcing the NKs makes it less interesting.
What if I dropped the masons

[schadd_]

normally we don't like informs as to the identity of a power role because people go into normals expecting to have a choice with the nightkill - while you can have a setup that focuses on dayplay (i.e., just fewer PRs) it is pretty cut-and-dry too far to remove one nightkill choice

What if I dropped the masons

what would this setup look like

[bugspray]

what if we keep masons but then the scum is only informed that there are masons?

[implosion]

bloop

[Micc]

heads up, i'm going to skip this in the micro queue for now since its not ready yet

[schadd_]

soory

what if we keep masons but then the scum is only informed that there are masons?

this setup would be townsided - importantly, the setup as it was isn't really imbalanced, just weird to play

if the innocent child were a weaker role, like a 1-shot tracker, motion detector, bodyguard, etc. this would be balanced

[bugspray]

ic encryptor
goon informed that ic is encryptor
goon
compulsory bodyguard survivor
vt
vt
vt

how about this?

[bugspray]

oh and the other two vts because i cant count

[bugspray]

bump

[schadd_]

...soory

you've moved pretty far into scumsided by removing the masons. generally you want to have 2 medium strength town roles, especially when they are confirmable (because when there are 3 confirmable roles it's really hard to nightkill all of them and when there is only 1 it's easy to nightkill it)

i don't know how you mean survivor also. there isn't a normal role called survivor

[schadd_]

adding a tracker for instance would make this fine

[bugspray]

what about this

informed goon (that ic is encryptor)
informed goon (that knows there is a rolecop)
ic encryptor
town rolecop
vt
vt
vt
vt
vt

the rolecop will only get positive results on the goons and know that they are informed and then it opens the way for interesting dayplay. this is comparable to a 9p mountainous with a single ic but with more interesting potential for dayplay that results from night actions

[bugspray]

i really dont want to run closed normals that could also be run as opens and this fits the bill imo

[schadd_]

• with the rolecop i would call its investigative power inconsistent, in the sense that it has next to no power unless players are able to make a judgement about the information, i.e. that the informed roles are mafia. there are a lot of factors that affect this - how mafia claims (in particular, i believe there is a mechanically correct and maybe clear play where they both claim some inform on day 1, and maybe they come up with a good fake inform, maybe they do not claim at all), whether the town is generally aware that it is more likely for informed roles to be mafia (scanning the mini archives list it's about 1/2, much higher for informed vanilla; there is outguess-the-mod at play here though), general setup spec (again can be even counter-productive based on how mafia claims).
  
  these things are not generally a problem but when they make up half of town power in a small game in a normal (which is expected to be at least palatable for newer players) that's pushing it
  
• even if we can assume that the rolecop will Go Well, it is still scumsided. the rolecop can be understood to get a soft guilty on both scum and essentially nothing else - this is a weak investigative. i think i was lowballing by saying this needs a tracker - something like a jailkeeper, odd-night neapolitan/gunsmith/cop/watcher maybe would be more appropriate

[bugspray]

what if we add a neighborizer and make the IC first night bulletproof (with scum knowing everything about the IC)

[bugspray]

scum informed that ic is encryptor
scum informed that ic is first night bulletproof
town neighborizer
first night bulletproof encryptor ic
vt
vt
vt
vt
vt

[bugspray]

sorry for being difficult i see how jailkeeper+ic is a really cool idea for a micro but i really want night actions to mechanical affect dayplay
the bulletproofness allows scum to kill the IC without "wasting" a shot and allowing the scum to really feel the potenial implications of losing their daytalk...
maybe they should be informed about the existence of the neighborizer

[schadd_]

• jsyk: its allowed to have either of two variants of IC, where it is revealed to everyone on day one OR the IC can choose to ask the mod to reveal them at any time; the latter is the one usually used
  
• in micros: a large majority of the time, either there is only one mafian left by day 3 (and there can only possibly be one on day 4) or the mafia are simply winning handily if they have 2 left on day 3. that is to say, the d1 bulletproof makes the encryption kill a low-impact decision most of the time (it is not really a big deal to begin with, encryptor is not a huge power source)
  
• this setup remains woefully townsided. a town neighborizer is understood by the NRG to bear about as much town power as a gentle breeze, and killing an IC day 1 vs. day 2 is such a small difference (only theoretically confers town power by having the IC be alive longer, which i don't believe to be a very significant factor)

[schadd_]

scumsided i mean

[bugspray]

What if we make the neighborizer masons with the IC. Would that help?

[bugspray]

I GOT IT.
mason
mason
informed goon knows there are masons
informed goon knows who the encryptor is
encryptor (town)
vt
vt
vt
vt

[bugspray]

problem is it sucks to be the encryptor