Mini Normal 2154 - Endgame

[bugspray]

then the wiki is wrong

[WaltertheDunce10]

Nvm thought ninja was only in one categoy

[WaltertheDunce10]

I thought it was just a role but I see it is both.

[WaltertheDunce10]

VOTE: Osuka
If psyche is town then osuak is scum,
I would also be good with truth.

[bugspray]

VOTE: osuka

[superbowl9]

I'll buy the bugspray claim, seems like osuka is our best option - he will give us good information at the very least

VOTE: osuka

[LicketyQuickety]

I just checked the wiki and it says that ninja is only for serial killer for a normal game?

Has to be a large for any kind of SK.

[osuka]

Am I seriously about to become an info lynch

[bugspray]

I'll buy the bugspray claim, seems like osuka is our best option - he will give us good information at the very least

VOTE: osuka

this explanation seems pretty forced
scumslip?

[osuka]

bug, what would your exec be if you couldn't kill me for whatever reason? Suppose that's the case, i just wanna pick your brain

[Psyche]

Psyche, do you have a reason to do that ?

Figured it would help you guys develop decent reads. Also saves me a lot of trouble.

[Psyche]

the more i think about it, the more it seems that the reason i haven't felt much affinity for the bugspray wagon is that i've seen so many townies get lynched for not being productive, coherent players. it's not really an alignment-indicative behavior on its own (scum have plenty of interest in being productive/coherent), but for some reason people on mafiascum.net just eat that shit up. everywhere i look in fact i just see half-assed justifications for voting them like what looker's decided is enough to justify a hammer.

maybe when i look closely at bugspray i'll see something stronger than that weaksauce but so far it's just a void why is it just a void

There are great reasons to policy elim - or weight negatively - poor yet NAI play.
If a player is lurking, lazy, and just not helpful to town, it can be a good idea to get rid of them earlier in the game so that they don't cause distractions and waste time and energy later on during the game.
Another separate discussion is punishing players for bad play - if poor play isn't viewed as elimable your site gets more and more poor play in its games, overall reducing town EV and the quality of games.
There are exceptions to the rule and obviously you don't want to eliminate town if possible, but to say that poor play is NAI and should thus not be weighted in an evaluation of whether to elim is just incorrect. To say that a site is worse for holding people to a higher standard of play is also not a great opinion.

We should be trying to lynch scum, not town whose playstyles we don't like. Period.

[superbowl9]

I'll buy the bugspray claim, seems like osuka is our best option - he will give us good information at the very least

VOTE: osuka

this explanation seems pretty forced
scumslip?

Forced how? How would this be a scumslip?

[Psyche]

VOTE: Osuka
If psyche is town then osuak is scum,
I would also be good with truth.

why?

[superbowl9]

We should be trying to lynch scum, not town whose playstyles we don't like. Period.

Obviously, did I say we should try to elim town in my post? I said there's good reason to weight anti-town behavior or policy elim it

[Psyche]

Eliminating people for reasons besides being scummy is more or less the same thing

[Psyche]

People's reactions to bugspray's claim doesn't make a lot of sense to me. Being a ninja roleblocker doesn't exactly clear you, even if you crumb it. How did the claim affect your actual reads?

[osuka]

People's reactions to bugspray's claim doesn't make a lot of sense to me. Being a ninja roleblocker doesn't exactly clear you, even if you crumb it. How did the claim affect your actual reads?

that's an oddly specific claim to make. i do buy ninja roleblocker but i see more scum rb slots than i do see town rbs

then again, ive definitely seen worse and more weirdly specific claims be made in recent times (miller mason???)

[osuka]

i also think that a town roleblocker is a fucking weird role to add in a game that has two ICs

[superbowl9]

Eliminating people for reasons besides being scummy is more or less the same thing

Not at all true it's definitely more nuanced

[WaltertheDunce10]

I want to see how bugspray would react to not being at hammer phase.
He just followed my vote along which seems scummy

[superbowl9]

People's reactions to bugspray's claim doesn't make a lot of sense to me. Being a ninja roleblocker doesn't exactly clear you, even if you crumb it. How did the claim affect your actual reads?

The crumb and as osuka said odd specificity helped, obviously it's not a 100% clear but I'm not really too keen on elimming a claimed PR D1 without exploring any other options.

[superbowl9]

I want to see how bugspray would react to not being at hammer phase.
He just followed my vote along which seems scummy

Are you saying 478 was a reaction test?? Because I highly doubt that

[WaltertheDunce10]

Because i am slightly suspicious of the claim.

[osuka]

I want to see how bugspray would react to not being at hammer phase.
He just followed my vote along which seems scummy

Are you saying 478 was a reaction test?? Because I highly doubt that

why do you highly doubt that