Mini Normal 2153: Post-game

[notscience]

I’m not as worried about your throwaway comments as I am hoops

[Replacement for Sujimichi]

Since calling my jokepost a scumslip in 1461, Bob has not tried to push me or anyone else. He seemed pretty certain I was scum in earlier posts, but he's making no attempt to convince others of this or get me jestered. He's asked a few questions and provided some self-meta, and that's all. That's the mindset of someone happy to survive rather than the mindset of someone trying to jester scum.




You know what I mean, notscience?

[Replacement for Sujimichi]

RfS and Bella should both relocate to another wagon within Bella/RfS/Galron, and then we can all have a talk. Agreed?

Hmm... I have a sinking feeling.

Sinking in what way - like quicksand or a ship? You think all 3 are town?

Also, why aren't you joining me on Bob?

[notscience]

I think I was tvting with bob in retrospect

[Replacement for Sujimichi]

Why?

[notscience]

Gut? Idk

I feel like it was more two town not being on the same wavelength than anything and it just made me lose the desire to clown him

[notscience]

I think the other option is that he wagons could both be on scum.

Hm.

[Not_Mafia]

I think the other option is that he wagons could both be on scum.

Hm.

[notscience]

Both the wagons typing is hard

[Bellaphant]

I’m not as worried about your throwaway comments as I am hoops

Why? You were voting me for most of the day ...

[notscience]

If you think I’m scum for it vote me

[geraintm]

@galron

I dislike players who tag people as scum, place lots of votes. If a player ends up thinking 80% of the players are scum then that isn't helpful, and I felt it was what you were doing in the first half ofnyesterfay

It reminds me of this, which was also scummy.

just because I had a read on you which points you as scum, that doesn't make it scummy

[geraintm]

VOTE: Hoopla

VOTE: Replacement for Sujimichi

VOTE: Galron

this is a bad look. isis is just voting anything that moves.
my post 1149 when I looked over them and hated their slot. well, I hate it still

VOTE: isis

[Isis]

You can vote whoever you want but you want to try at least a loose tether to reality when you come up with reasoning? For the most part I've voted players when they've been least active, hardly "anything that moves"

[Replacement for Sujimichi]

in the interest of working my way back into the game, i am going to do something shocking.

my intuition tells me i may have been wrong on klick - especially upon seeing porken's entry into the game. given i was reading bella as town in relationship to klick's scumminess, i have come to believe i was actually reading them backwards.

VOTE: bella

one of the lemonade-sipping scumbuckets.

more to come

...

actually, this will do for now;

UNVOTE:
VOTE: unabombah

my bella vote looked very pointless.

hmm, it seems the tides have turned and it looks like a bella vs. sujimichi battle.

bella is back and has found her voice.

sujimichi's hilarity is slowly waning. thanks for the memories.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: sujimichi

UNVOTE:
VOTE: galron

VOTE: sujimichi

Hoopla's also been on everything that moves and all the wagons

except

for Bob. Hoopla + Bob + ???

[Bellaphant]

I like this ^ post.

[Isis]

I would like that post if Hoopla finished her second newbie queue game in March.

[Isis]

That's a lie; Hoopla exudes inordinate prodigy and I still wouldn't like the post under those conditions.

You get my point, though.

[Replacement for Sujimichi]

True, if she's scum, she's surely gonna be anti-spewing to some extent today. Depends on how she values her chances at survival tomorrow without a FN clear.

[UnaBombaH]

it almost makes me believe this is a town/town wagon battle with the way this game has ground to a halt.

At this time, Hoopla was voting for RfS, and the other leading wagon (ahead by one vote) was on Galron.
Just noting this down.

[Porkens]

I enjoyed Hoopla's early take on Dunnstral's vote opportunism, and enjoyed Klick's early take on Bella's disconnect between her thoughts and what she's pushing with her vote. Popo's case in 84 feels a little forced. Alright then, I am up to page 5 in record time and am making fantastic progress. I will pick this up again later.

I scrolled up to the top of this page and was shocked to see that I couldn't find a single votecount in sight. Pick up the pace, Fredrick; what are we even paying you for?

VOTE: popo

VOTE: Popo





L-1

We should never ballista Isis before Day 3, based on her being town if hoopla is scum.
geraintm messed up the bbcode in his last post. His clumsiness and disregard for law and order is indicative of someone with a green role.
VOTE: Bob
Still think this Bob is scum.

VOTE: Not_Mafia

So you decide to enter the game with a self-vote, eh? We just had to roll one of these jokers in our game, didn't we? You're either brain dead or you're scum. I sincerely hope for your own sake that you're the latter.

Let me tell you something, clown: Mafia doesn't work if people want to banter or joke around like it's a barbeque. Excessive joking around makes it really difficult to differentiate jokey behaviour from scummy behaviour, and allows people with memey backgrounds to build smoke screens for themselves for when they do roll scum. Your self-vote falls perfectly into that category, and I would be VERY surprised if I didn't see similar disgusting behaviour if I went looking through your past games.

Thing about this one self-vote of yours in particular though, is that it is INEHERENTLY scum-indicative. Town has no time to fuck around, every town member comes in with a subconscious mentality - whether they like it or not - of wanting to lynch scum and therefore win the game as town. Town NEVER self-vote, it doesn't make any sense to progress their win condition, does it? Scum come in with the mentality of wanting to MANIPULATE the town and lynch anyone, as long as it's not them or their scummy buddies. In this case, a self-vote causes confusion and can be perceived to lesser town players as a funny vote by a simple townie who's just joking around, or fishing for reads. WRONG, fortunately for us, I'm not an idiot. Show me a game, just ONE game where you've come into a game and self-voted as town. Oh wait, I don't need to wait, because I know there's no fucking chance you have.

In fact, you should know something about me; I take mafia VERY fucking seriously. And if I see some chickeneater like you go around self-voting like you're doing us all some favour, and helping progress the game, you are so so wrong.

Ironically though, you are doing us a favour; you're claiming scum. And you've just made this game 100 times easier for us. But I'm not going to thank you for that. In fact, I want you to feel REAL bad about it. Think about your idiotic actions and really drown yourself in misery for a few days. Ask yourself "why oh why would I ever commit to such an idiotic strat as scum, did I really think all the others players would be imbeciles?" Really contemplate your actions, especially that previous point, and you may just realise the error of your ways, and maybe, just maybe, you can return to this site a better man, and a better player.

Let's get this over with:

VOTE: Not_Mafia

If it wasn't obvious, my last couple of posts were in jest. Isis had set me homework. I actually enjoy Not_Mafia.

Don't like Bob's reaction in looking for a (loose) scum-slip in that post.
VOTE: Bob

Could someone explain to me why Bob is town? Being argumentative, verbose, and asking questions doesn't make you town. When you look at the logic and reasoning he uses, I struggle to see it coming from a town mindset in parts.

RfS also tunneling bob between easy miscancels. RfS + ???

[UnaBombaH]

People sometimes dislike readlists, and coloring them might just make it even worse?
So I made an execute-list instead.
Players I'm willing to make a compromise-vote on, if/when the wagon on Galron isn't going to get all the way through.

*Galron

- want flipped today. Their posting has been off for some time now, and their "defense" today seems weird. And there's this one thing I feel like I noticed, but am holding on to until they are put back to E-1.

*Replacement for Sujimichi

- willing to compromise if they are the only other significant option "against" Bella/bob.

bob3141

- not willing to compromise.

Bellaphant

- not willing to compromise today or tomorrow. Bella is only potentially scum to me, if Hoopla is town, but..

Hoopla

- ..should die tomorrow unless I'm drastically mistaken, in which case not much else makes a lot of sense anymore either.

Porkens

- not willing to compromise at all.

Not_Mafia

- willing to compromise

ONLY IF

none of the

red

ones are going to get lynched today, and we are running to a potential no-lynch.

Isis

- most uncertain about. Would've wanted lynched at the start of the day, but has managed to make me doubt my read on her somewhat. Likely not a realistic lynch for today anyway.

geraintm

- not willing to compromise today. I sort of have gera/Galron as "opposite sides of the same coin" in my head. And since I currently believe Galron is scum, this ought to be town.

notscience

- not willing to compromise

Take these how you will, I wrote them out of memory, without any fact-checking.
So lot of these are based on either the latest pages, or the strongest gutfeelings that came to me when reading this list of names.

[UnaBombaH]

RfS also tunneling bob between easy miscancels. RfS + ???

Good pickup. I feel like RfS+Galron+Hoopla is not impossible either.
It just feels like an "easy" solution, so I guess 2/3 in there max.

[UnaBombaH]

That's the mindset of someone happy to survive rather than the mindset of someone trying to jester scum.

I actually sort of "get" what you're saying here, but in this specific case, I do not think it makes bob scum.
bob might even know and admit that this read is somewhat correct, right bob?
I've been able to do this very specific read correctly on bob before, and just a simple confirmation from them is all I need.

[UnaBombaH]

I think the other option is that he wagons could both be on scum.

Hm.

Both wagons, as in?
If you are talking RfS+Galron, we can agree on this.