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[Starbuck]

[Dumb and Dumber]

[BananaCucho]

Andro has felt a little disengaged from the beginning and I find their bluff awkward.
Starbuck's content on the last page seems forced and unnatural.

I'll try getting into more specifics at a later point when I have time.

-Dumbass

I didn't get that from Starbuck's posts at all. They just seem catch-uppy

[Starbuck]

Well, at least the user name is fitting.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Clash of titans.

[Joey_]

Like I don't have a scum read on the alligator

There's literally nothing there to read either way. How can you town read them?

I liked the post on Joey felt more like solving then wolf making comments.
Like it was kinda observant I guess, shows he was pinged by Joey and either double checked his ISO or put his posts into his memory to make that kind of connection.

He is definitely well above average as far as 4 posters are concerned.

~Bee

I disagree, their posts are very easy for scum to make. All they've done is narrate the game or ask easy questions, without coming to any visible conclusions. Obviously it's a short ISO, so they could improve later if and when they decide to post again. But townreading them off of what i've seen so far doesn't make much sense to me.

I agree with NEE overall that I disagree with Bee. But bee's listed reasons are fine imo

[Dumb and Dumber]

This head is catching up now, and I'll be around for a bit

- Dumber

[Dumb and Dumber]

I currently townread Banana

and retract my scumpings on SS and Joey, and retract my townpings on Bee

I also have townpings on NorwegianBoy

- Dumber

Explain?

They feel incredibly relaxed/un-tense, and are comfortable drip-dripping details about their role in a way that I think is unlikely to come from scum.
They're just posting everything that comes to their mind without a filter really, and I feel that's townie

I currently townread Banana
and retract my scumpings on SS and Joey, and

retract my townpings on Bee

I also have townpings on NorwegianBoy

- Dumber

I still like Bee even after the current events

Yeah, thinking about it some more, I think it's fine too

- Dumber

[Joey_]

@Red; can you tell me where your head's at regarding the game? I still feel your slot has the worse content by far so gimme some content

[Dumb and Dumber]

Was Radical Rat's religious "roleplaying" really so out of character that two (three if counting D&D) people saw it as a flavour crumb, let alone one obvious enough to just out to everyone? Like, I'll trust you guys if that's the case, but I thought the point of crumbs was to leave subtle clues to point at later, and that pointing them out would be kind of against that.

I don't know how to read androgybee's fakeclaim, if it's AI at all. I guess it could be a way to see if a PR would out themselves, but that's a stretch tbh. Like, gutwise, trolling/muddying the water seems anti-town, since we'd be operating on false assumptions about how corruption works until they either out themselves or get eliminated, but I can't find scum motivation beyond just misinformation.

Joey_, why did you immediately believe their claim, yet you questioned D&D on why they thought SS was voting androgybee for trolling? You did say overthinking is your brand.

I don't love this post, for a few reasons:
a) The first bit feels like they're trying to undermine the townreads on Radical Rat
b) the second paragraph feels like scum who doesn't know how to react to a town!androgybee's fakeclaim

(Me disliking this post is a large part of why my other head voted for Jackel)

- Dumber

[Dumb and Dumber]

|˄·͈༝·͈˄₎.｡oO Second line in 26 is trying to look town.

Go on ...

- Dumber

[Dumb and Dumber]

Prodge for now.
I fucked up my neck a bit and am trying to limit phone/computer use.

Nothing super serious, I'm fine, just don't want to make things worse.

I hope you're OK!

[Dumb and Dumber]

Why vote Jackel? I am town reading him.

~Bee

Why?

[Dumb and Dumber]

I liked the post on Joey felt more like solving then wolf making comments.
Like it was kinda observant I guess, shows he was pinged by Joey and either double checked his ISO or put his posts into his memory to make that kind of connection.

Ah, sorry, should have read a bit more.

I don't think this was townie really. To me it felt a lot more like 'a wolf making comments' than 'solving'

- Dumber

[Dumb and Dumber]

Town: banana, nor, joey, possibly SS
Scummy: jackel, redtea, starbuck

I keep vacillating on where to put androgybee

Everyone else: I don't know

[Joey_]

Also to add to DD's 334;

this line ''Joey_, why did you immediately believe their claim, yet you questioned D&D on why they thought SS was voting androgybee for trolling? You did say overthinking is your brand.''

Alligator line is phrased in a way where it feels like he's asking a question, but it's not actually the case. If you read carefully, he already had a narrative in his mind and he doesn't actually gives a crap why I believed the claim. The reason was already stated in my very first post in the game and he said he already knew but disagreed with the answer.

If he were being genuine, h

e wouldv'e pushed on the reasons for me believing the claim which he disagreed/didn't understand

instead of asking a question he knew the answer (reason why i believed the claim) while pointing out the incoherence. Basically, he shaded me very carefully, even using my own words so he wouldn't seems to be as responsible for ''calling out'' that incoherence.

IMO, that's careful scumplay and is one of the many ways I do play scum myself. Pushing on objectively true infos is basically the safest way to play mefia


Andregee said that alligator showed in his 4 posts that he remembered interactions and made mental notes, thats actually true and I totally agree with that; I just think it's scum AI rather than town AI in this instance. Someone knowing the game content, having mental notes etc while only posting 4 times means he carefully picked&choose the content he decided to post on. And agrogee, if anything, an inverse relationship between in-game activity (post count) and how knowledgeable they are of the game's content is scum AI.

[catboi]

|˄·͈༝·͈˄₎.｡oO Second line in 26 is trying to look town.

Go on ...

- Dumber

=^._.^= ∫ if I had more I'd say it but I'm not interested in pursuing that right now

[Dumb and Dumber]

That's actually the one bit of the post that I didn't have an issue with but I see where you're coming from

I felt like their back-and-forth with you was scummy, it felt like scum trying to make conversation about, well, nothing really

- Dumber

[Joey_]

Joey_, why did you immediately believe their claim, yet you questioned D&D on why they thought SS was voting androgybee for trolling? You did say overthinking is your brand.

My first post

Post restriction was implied in the mod post so I am inclined to take it as cash

I guess reading isn't your brand

It's not that I can't read, but comprehension isn't a strong suit of mine, apparently. Specifically, I can't comprehend how that answers the question. You take their claim at face value, no questions asked, because the mod colours the word, but you do question D&D how they could have read "VOTE: , [statement]" as the statement being reasoning for the vote.

Like, even if Alligator didn't ''comprehend how that answers the question'' the question

was

answered. Now that he stated he didn't think my reason was good enough for him, instead of trying to understand my thought process, he immediately mention the very same D&D stuff again in different words.

Notice how he didn't ask me anything at all in that post yet he is ''pushing me'' and is acting as if he was scumhunting. When you scumhunt, you are being inquisitive and trying to gather new informations to make a better decision about sorting the dude you're talking to. In both his posts, he proved he never had the intention to really sort me right? He's not trying to gather new informations, he just pushing his narrative

[redtea]

This is not the climax that I was hoping for.

Paused in my reading™, to say: right??! And they really could've waited instead of the back and forth??

[redtea]

Oh wow

[NDMath]

I kinda forgot NDMath was a player in this game until his latest posts

I stopped counting how many people have said variations of this.

NDMath: What is your opinion on Bee given the gambit they played? I know you mentioned that you liked catbois reads but other than that I don't see any opinion on it

Beeboy was negative utility the other time I played with him so I found that odd but took it as true. Given the fake claim couldn't have come before seeing their role pm due to the mod posts, it would be something nahdia came up with. I am unsure how to read it but I would put it as townlean.

Open question: @charmander
do you feel cheap for scum that I townread you correctly with bad infos or feel cheap for me because I incorrectly townread you?

I have been townread exclusively for bad reasons this game and I haven’t had the herat to plant a seed of doubt in my fans when the consequence (being townread) is exclusively good and will help me further my wincon. Could you say it’s anti-town to shoot down townreads on unprovable false premises?

Discuss

I find it very frustrating when person A call me scum for townreading person A. Beyond that specific case I don't care.

I like catboi's reads in #181.

Which reads of his do you find yourself agreeing with more?

-Dumbass

I disagree with S_S being obvtown but respect the take.
Haven't looked into second section much.
I agree with the third section and at the time I scumread norwee and redtea.

[redtea]

So this is a bit of a follow-up to my last (acutal) post.

My post was never intended as a comprehensive solve,

Actually. You did specifically say: "EASY GAME PEOPLE LELELELE" which made me believe that was your final game solve.

(,,Ծ‸Ծ,, ) And you took a page 8 post as a serious gamesolve because...?

Because i just played a game with someone that fucking hard tunneled me from page 2 and literally called me/another guy the scum team and i had to fight their bone headed tunnel for 10 pages before i got lynched and flipped town. Sorry if you're different, i get kind of twitchy when i see myself included in scum reads early.

To me this looks like you were about to start beef with catboi, and were assuming we wouldn't find their joke about having solved the game in good town-taste. But since multiple people went "wait what? It was a joke though?" you began backtracking.
Related: I don't like that banancucho gave up so quick in #235. He hopped on and off this issue pretty quick.

*232 by catboi is a scum-point ping.

I understand getting a scum-ping from #232 if it was about his reads not being serious, but it was about it not being a serious

solve

. Did you misread that? Keep in mind the og quote is a partial one of #204.

I don't blame catboi for moving on to push Jackel btw. That doesn't make me not interested in this shit anymore though.

[redtea]

Red’s post are the worse in the game so far; exclusively showing a scum pov, being almost too self-aware, apologetic, not inquisitive by answering for the person hes asking/talking to. He sounds like a monologue and NEE “What’s a joke?” Is more towny to me than red’s 3 last wall. It says a lot

I have to wall! I've been such a slowpoke

More seriously:
Joey's very recent hardass posts #340 and #343 have me reading him as town. That and the fact that after people pointed out he wasn't posting well, he really stepped up his game and has been going strong. The fact he both changed and kept it up is very town to me. I feel like maf are more prone to having a surge of posts before falling back again, or will pick a fight to have something easy to respond to without really hunting. This might be a big reason others are tr'ing him now, and I agree.

Also

I maf-lean Norwegian and possibly banana (I have a couple things to go back to) and I don't think Norwegian would implicate two scum partners in #264 in his town reads so. Any ill-feelings I had towards Joey before don't really have room here.
Not to mention the likelihood of grouping together any three players and having

one

of them flip maf. So take this as me teasing the idea of Norwe/banana, though either/or is more realistic.

Oh, and I just remembered I have a WILD idea. I know how this sounds. Trust me, I know, I knew immediately how it would sound. But what if bananacucho needs corruption for, not voting, but for wincon/to unlock a special ability. Because he can't vote, then he must gain corruption a different way, as we know. So, should we be more wary of a possible corruption-giver giving corruption (town or maf role)?
No, because it wouldn't really be a big deal given what the mod's said.

But

maybe something will be different Day 2 and we should look out for it.

[redtea]

Something different that isn't obvious by banana having a vote if that happens is what I mean, ofc.